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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 27 2018, 02:12 AM (293 Views) | |
| Misty77 | Jan 27 2018, 02:12 AM Post #1 |
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First of all; Sorry to Cactus for leaving him high and dry these last few weeks, when racism and bullying reared its ugly head on the Forum once again. I've asked him to reconsider him giving up his mod status, as he's the best person for the job, and does it well. However the decision is entirely his, and I wouldn't pressurize anyone to do this. I've read over the "flashpoint" topics tonight and have taken the decision to delete Ivans account. As most of you know he was on his last warning for the same reasons that has led to this. I am also deleting Mycrofts account. I have had multiple pm's (that I never got to read until tonight) accusing him of bullying other posters. For that, and his participation in other matters he will be joining Ivan. And I also would be failing (moreso) in my duties if I overlooked Rome's contributions over the past few days. I am issuing him with a weeks suspension for personal insults towards fellow members and failing to heed the Forum Moderators request on the issue. When he returns we'd like to see a more social and less-hostile approach from him. Again, my apologies for not being around too much, but with work and tending to my parents I have had little time to log-in and even watch Football overall. I hope to be free over the weekend and with the drastic changes I pray that it will bring around some much-needed harmony here.....not too much, but just enough to enjoy each others company again. Thanks. |
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| Hollywood | Jan 27 2018, 05:01 AM Post #2 |
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You da man mist. Top job. Fair and square. |
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Platform 2015 "parks, if i want to say anything constructive i wont use this forum mate." A Classic Kop Talk Posting | |
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| Danny | Jan 27 2018, 05:03 AM Post #3 |
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Certain decision's have to be made to keep the forum running as the majority of posters want, thanks Misty you're actions are appreciated. |
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| Hollywood | Jan 27 2018, 05:12 AM Post #4 |
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I can stop ignoring crofty I suppose.......
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Platform 2015 "parks, if i want to say anything constructive i wont use this forum mate." A Classic Kop Talk Posting | |
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| Aussiepool | Jan 27 2018, 05:26 AM Post #5 |
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Bravo Misty. Bringing back the forum what it was intended to be. |
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| John_Boy | Jan 27 2018, 08:32 AM Post #6 |
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Cactus, please reconsider your decision to step down as mod. 🌵 |
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| Yppohvek | Jan 27 2018, 10:03 AM Post #7 |
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I have to say that I'm a little saddened by this news, but I am not aware of what has been going on on the forum, I too have been quite busy with work of late. You are in a position where you must make such Decisions Mist and everyone, I believe, appreciates this and what you do to keep this forum going, none more so than me. A big, big thank you for that. I think I am in a better position than most on here in understanding Ivan a little more and his outlook on life having lived in Africa for 12 years of my life, things are quite different there. So, cheers and goodbye my friend Ivan, I hope you can find a forum that you might be able to enjoy as much as this and good luck to you in all you do, best wishes from me to you and your family. The same goes to Mycroft, I will miss your posts. YNWA. |
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| stevieg4ever | Jan 27 2018, 11:36 AM Post #8 |
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Some big decisions there, if it carries on like this we might not have a forum at this rate. Sounds like you really had no choice. Hope your family are alright Misty, take care mate. |
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| Misty77 | Jan 27 2018, 11:48 AM Post #9 |
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Hi Stevie. I agree. Not nice saying goodbye but had to be done. And it wasn't like they weren't told time and again. Sure, the Forum may eventually fizzle out but I'd rather a handfull of posters here communicating with respect for one another than a busy place where football takes a backseat to politics or other divisive issues. We move on and look ahead to knocking the Baggies out of the Cup tonight.
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| Misty77 | Jan 27 2018, 12:16 PM Post #10 |
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Thanks Kev. I have no problem accepting people's political or religious views, and I'm sure you know of these things better than I. I'm not without certain predjudices against groups/sects...whatever, but I learned to keep my personal thoughts locked away. We surely do live in a world where Political Correctness has gone way OTT. No more "dollies" in Darts or Boxing??? Why??? I'm certainly no SJW and I don't get offended easily, but I have to re-state that this Forum, as was yours after the Echo closed its doors, wasn't created to talk about Donald Trump or Immigration Policies or the Prophet Mohamed etc etc. But to rally the old Echo members to continue to keep in touch and to celebrate the Club. We're into our seventh year now, and I never thought that would be possible but here we are. I'm glad that we're still around, and if it does ever close then it shouldn't be based on a sour end like the 13th Man experienced. I hope in the days to come some posters that have taken a leave of absence might review their status and choose to take part again. And its my job to make the site a pleasant place to visit to and take part in discussion. There is quality enough on this site to ensure that it endures for many more seasons to come. Posters such as yourself, for example.
Edited by Misty77, Jan 27 2018, 12:17 PM.
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| cactusjon | Jan 27 2018, 12:47 PM Post #11 |
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Would just like to make the point here that Misty has absolutely nothing to apologise for. He gives everyone a fair crack of the whip. Both Ivan and Mycroft were on their third and second chances respectively. I think we all need to remember why we're on here and try and dig ourselves out of the entrenched positions that some of us have taken over the years. A clean slate for all would probably be a good idea. If Misty wants then I'll stay on as Mod (mainly so that theres someone to open and close the shout box when needed). My goal will be to have to take no moderation action at all. It'd be nice if we all took that viewpoint. |
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| Danny | Jan 27 2018, 01:35 PM Post #12 |
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Good decision CJ and thanks. |
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| Camelot | Jan 27 2018, 01:46 PM Post #13 |
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I'm sure you will have lots of support from true LFC supporters. |
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| the antler | Jan 27 2018, 02:57 PM Post #14 |
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First off Misty. My best wishes to you and your family. Secondly, it goes without saying we are all indebted to you for keeping this place going. I personally would be quite upset to see it close. So a big thank you is in order. Especially when I admit myself that I would not the time or patience to dedicate to it. It's sad to see a couple of regulars go. But I'd like to think if I got a Pm from you asking me to stop being a dick, I'd still be a dick but stop acting one on here 😀 It's that simple, just keep it off here. Let's get back to talking LFC. And keep it there. Thanks Misty, take care. PS Thanks for your efforts too Cactus. A job that no one else is willing to do. Credit to you. Edited by the antler, Jan 27 2018, 03:09 PM.
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| bazaDred | Jan 27 2018, 04:49 PM Post #15 |
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I dont like to see anyone get banned to be honest i think freedom of speech is far more important than anything but i must say the main instigator in this seems to have got off very lightly ie Rome ,but seeing as his viewpoint matches certain people its not surprising he has got off lightly .hope the family is ok misty thats far more important than any of the bullshit on here . |
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| DickWhiteog | Jan 27 2018, 04:54 PM Post #16 |
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Misty and CJ have my full support whatever their actions . Goodbye to Crofty and Ivan , hope you both stay well . I had a few run ins with Crofty over the years , but found it easy to ignore or just engage in that which was worthwhile . He is a red at the end of the day , and provided some very good information on here . Ivan had a great music sense and was one of the few on here I could exchange cricket discussions with , He was from a far different background to myself and as such I gave a fair bit of leeway to his position. I might add that there were other parties involved , goading and stirring these two into their trenches and as such maybe those others who are still posting can take a hard look at themselves and acknowledge their roles in getting the two banned. They have obviously been on warnings and as such , ultimately have themselves to blame though. All the best lads . Keep up the good work Misty and CJ. |
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| Hollywood | Jan 27 2018, 05:25 PM Post #17 |
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Yes Misty. Just thinking as I was tidying up our basement that there are certainly more important things than how each of us feels about Liverpool FC. Hiope everything is good with you and your family. Best wishes mate. |
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Platform 2015 "parks, if i want to say anything constructive i wont use this forum mate." A Classic Kop Talk Posting | |
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| Hollywood | Jan 27 2018, 05:32 PM Post #18 |
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Certainly was a lot of goading. Some mentioned did get off light considering the action taken. Ivan's background was different to many of ours, and I never found him offensive. I have not read the entire thread, so don't want to comment, other than this stuff always gets out of hand. C'est a vie. C'est la guerre. My opinion in such matters is on record. Don't throw stones in glass houses. Let he, who is without sin, cast the first stone. Etc. Fully support Misty in his decision, and would also endorse those wishing to have Cactus remain as mod. Doing a grand job Cactus mate. Edited by Hollywood, Jan 27 2018, 05:51 PM.
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Platform 2015 "parks, if i want to say anything constructive i wont use this forum mate." A Classic Kop Talk Posting | |
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| Hollywood | Jan 27 2018, 05:35 PM Post #19 |
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Bloody publicans!!!!!
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Platform 2015 "parks, if i want to say anything constructive i wont use this forum mate." A Classic Kop Talk Posting | |
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| red machine | Jan 27 2018, 05:49 PM Post #20 |
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ahh sad to see mycroft gone.I was his biggest advocate for him to be allowed on here.great poster.lost his way by somehow wanting to be seen in a good light by rome ..or so it seemed anyway. One of the posters I envisage being a good fellow in real life. Many fun posts from mycroft..the worzels being very funny. I suspect we may see new posters soon..or old reinvented as new..i hope so. But life goes on..he shed no tears for those banned either. Ivan was a very consistent poster who you could rely on to keep the forum flowing and it was he who told me about kop this when it started. No one can ever doubt misty's integrity on here. |
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| Misty77 | Jan 27 2018, 06:02 PM Post #21 |
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I'm glad you brought that up Dickie, and between myself and CJ (who I commend on his decision to remain as moderator) we'll be closely monitoring future issues and posts from other parties that contributed to this weeks events. Hopefully our actions will deter any future topics from forking off into undesirable outcomes, and having this thing repeat itself. |
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| Misty77 | Jan 27 2018, 06:08 PM Post #22 |
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Cheers Baz, and regarding Rome he is given a week off due to his part in the arguement, but I will be requesting that he also sticks to Football, and leave the insults out. There is an ignore option on this new site that actually works pretty well as opposed to the old place. So I will be suggesting (for his future here too) that he uses that feature. And I suppose we could all do with knowing we have that option. If a person gets under your skin then you have the power at your fingertips to deal with it, and save everyone else from the alternative. Also, Freedom of Speech can be abused. Its a nice ideal, but rarely used in the proper ways. Especially in the Internet Era. |
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| Red pippin | Jan 27 2018, 07:14 PM Post #23 |
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I am not a big fan of expulsions either, but I like the way Misty has handled it, at least there is an explanation unlike on the Echo when people just disagreed with you and you weren't heard of again, I was surprised the thread went the way it did and I had visions of it going the same way as the 13th, I was always a fan of the tea breaks forum but it got too hot for me at times, I hope this forum does't disintegrate the way the 13th forum did and it is incumbent of those that want to keep it to ignore all topics that inflame others. |
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| ThePenkethPedant | Jan 28 2018, 12:35 AM Post #24 |
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My cousin's wife has a brother and sister-in-law in S.A., and when she visits she's absolutely appalled at the way they treat their black staff., and the indigenous population in general. But it is , or was, the norm over there, I'm told. Plus, I had a business friend who lived in the then Rhodesia at one time and from his comments I could see that his attitude was very similar. I too have a feeling of sadness at the expulsions and will miss the contributors concerned. |
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| Kaii | Jan 28 2018, 01:40 AM Post #25 |
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IMO Mycroft gave as good as he got that's all, plenty openly baited him to get a response. This place now has a fake pc element to it which causes more trouble than it solves, you had that idiot soceity (no idea how it's spelt) as a mod doing far worse than either ivan or Mycroft. Don't remember those two editing peoples posts to discredit the poster then locking it so it couldn't be edited back. With the small community on this forum to resort to bans like this just shows intolerance to different opinions or views, this place has no influence and unless you know the url you'll never find it so danger of litigation is none existent. The ban will achieve nothing but speed up the downfall of the forum with the most likely event they come back under an alias (like society). |
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