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This Is What We Are Up Against . . .
Topic Started: Jan 29 2018, 05:37 PM (653 Views)
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Man U sign Sanchez for gazillions, Arsenal sign Mkhitaryan and it now looks like they will sign the PEA for a reputed £55-60 mill and City seem about to sign Laporte for £57 mill. All of it in an attempt to ensure that they gain European Champions League football. Meantime we we sell our best player for a reputed £146 mill and sign Tony Gallacher for 200K. The HOPE is the lad turns out to be a good buy, however, in the here and now it would seem we could really be up against it in terms of qualification IF these signings do pay off - the whole point of it really. :))
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We signed Vvd for £70mil.....
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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Jan 29 2018, 05:53 PM
We signed Vvd for £70mil.....
Exactly. Some top class revisionism going on here.
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The mechanics of the sanchez deal means when analysed it is actualy a decent deal for a player once talked of in the same kind of bracket as suarez.(suarez far better imo)

An article the other day in the echo highlighted how alot of top teams no longer see january as a makeshift window but rather now it is every bit as important as the summer one..ie.attitudes have changed towards the january windoe..but not with lfc and they are getting left behind in this respect.
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They waited on VVD until the confirmed transfer of Coutinho went through FSG are using the Barcelona money to fund VVD and Keita for next Season.

Since the Summer of 2016 ( klopp's official first window to do something ) Liverpool are the only club in the top 6 to show a negative NET spend . On that list they 4th in total spending and first by a long margin in incoming transfer fees. These are undeniable facts and we can sit here and argue whether the players they did buy were good value for money or not but it doesn't change the fact that are owners who refuse to spend and compete with their rivals and as such they will never ever win a trophy with that kind of mentality and Football business acumen.

Complete bullshit to sell your number one star and most valuable player and react they way they have. Horrible losers message to send out.
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It's about competitive advantage. Paying the premium to compete against rivals.

These long term plans went out long time ago. Whilst some teams procrastinate about value for money and how long a player will fit into the plans for.... Other teams swoop in and snap up players for the now.

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I'm so bored of reading the same self-important guff over and over again.

Barca were dumb enough to give us 140 million for Coutinho. Now he's suddenly been transformed into our best ever player in some peoples heads and apparently the reason that we weren't able to break down Swansea and why we lost to West Brom. The fact that we failed to beat those teams with him in the team is conveniently forgotten. He's a good player, great even. But he's never worth 140 million.

I'm honestly getting to the point where I just don't care about football anymore. I rapidly getting to the point where I don't care who spends what and when, because its all so far from the realms of being reasonable amounts that it all becomes meaningless. I just want to watch the match and be entertained. Thats about it for me these days. All these amateur accountants just should just go and read a spreadsheet, go on an excel forum and bore the shit off them all on there instead.
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Cactus, Coutinho is worth 142 mil as much as Van Djik is worth 75 mil Both transfer fees grossly over the top.

Its got nothing to do with financial statements but if you sell your highest asset and an important cog on your team while watching all your main rivals spend and recruit players for immediate impact then as a fan some have the right to gripe at this ownership as they obviously lack the ambition to compete for trophies.

BTW: Keita isn't worth 60 mil either and neither was Neymar at 200 mil that set the standards for this nonsense.

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Jan 29 2018, 06:16 PM
I'm so bored of reading the same self-important guff over and over again.

Barca were dumb enough to give us 140 million for Coutinho. Now he's suddenly been transformed into our best ever player in some peoples heads and apparently the reason that we weren't able to break down Swansea and why we lost to West Brom. The fact that we failed to beat those teams with him in the team is conveniently forgotten. He's a good player, great even. But he's never worth 140 million.

I'm honestly getting to the point where I just don't care about football anymore. I rapidly getting to the point where I don't care who spends what and when, because its all so far from the realms of being reasonable amounts that it all becomes meaningless. I just want to watch the match and be entertained. Thats about it for me these days. All these amateur accountants just should just go and read a spreadsheet, go on an excel forum and bore the shit off them all on there instead.
antler was saying the same not so long ago cactus too.

its lfc cactus..defeats like wba swansea etc are never acceptable.fans are not fools.
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Jan 29 2018, 06:22 PM
Cactus, Coutinho is worth 142 mil as much as Van Djik is worth 75 mil Both transfer fees grossly over the top.

Its got nothing to do with financial statements but if you sell your highest asset and an important cog on your team while watching all your main rivals spend and recruit players for immediate impact then as a fan some have the right to gripe at this ownership as they obviously lack the ambition to compete for trophies.

BTW: Keita isn't worth 60 mil either and neither was Neymar at 200 mil that set the standards for this nonsense.

I don't really care anymore. So what if we sold Coutinho? Changes my life very little. He wanted to go, so we sold him for a crazy amount. We'll buy someone to replace him in the summer, we'll make do with what we have until then. If we fail to win anything or fail to get into the CL, then I'll be pissed off for an hour or two after the last match and then get on with living my life before starting the whole process again in August.

Seeing grown men stamping their foot en masse because we've "only" spent 75 million on a central defender in January is pretty ludicrous though.
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Jan 29 2018, 06:32 PM
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Jan 29 2018, 06:16 PM
I'm so bored of reading the same self-important guff over and over again.

Barca were dumb enough to give us 140 million for Coutinho. Now he's suddenly been transformed into our best ever player in some peoples heads and apparently the reason that we weren't able to break down Swansea and why we lost to West Brom. The fact that we failed to beat those teams with him in the team is conveniently forgotten. He's a good player, great even. But he's never worth 140 million.

I'm honestly getting to the point where I just don't care about football anymore. I rapidly getting to the point where I don't care who spends what and when, because its all so far from the realms of being reasonable amounts that it all becomes meaningless. I just want to watch the match and be entertained. Thats about it for me these days. All these amateur accountants just should just go and read a spreadsheet, go on an excel forum and bore the shit off them all on there instead.
antler was saying the same not so long ago cactus too.

its lfc cactus..defeats like wba swansea etc are never acceptable.fans are not fools.
Sorry RM, but no team has a devine right to win. Fans are fools, we drop our hard earned money to watch millionaires kick a bag of air around to the team that is willing to pay them the most. Then we try and convince ourselves that it means something to them. We're like those doddering old fools who pay for Thai brides who then get surprised they leave them the minute their Visas come through.
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Jan 29 2018, 05:53 PM
We signed Vvd for £70mil.....
:hump: Well JB, there would be some mileage in that if VVD hadn't been a summer buy that through sheer farce and FSG ineptitude in a black night in Blackpool, hadn't been extended to January, when it could be argued FSG were also really making sure of the Couts money. OR that Man U had sold say Lakaku to finance the Sanchez deal and so on and so on. Besides Couts was a known and successful commodity at our club (hence his fee) VVD is 'unknown' at our club, as for myself and my vision of footy IF it comes to one or the other I'd alway prefer an attacker / creator to a defender . . . . . . .as does most of football. Up to now it's fair to say VVD has made little impact, we are still err conceding, that doesn't mean to say he won't come good. However, if he doesn't perform soon then I really do know you'd be one of the first on here with your usual litany of, "coward", "brown trousered", "Over-paid and over here" and so on.

Have a ganders at this there might be something in it?

Jurgen Klopp is being badly let down by Liverpool's owners in this era of Premier League opulence:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool/comment-jurgen-klopp-is-being-badly-let-down-by-liverpools-owners-in-this-era-of-premier-league-opulence-36540001.html
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THE ABOVE CONTRIBUTION IS SIMPLY AN OPINION. I AM NOT LOOKING TO BITTERLY ARGUE OR FALL OUT BUT RATHER MATURELY DEBATE MATTERS SHOULD IT DIFFER FROM YOURS

FOOD IS HABIT FORMING !!!
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so again you follow the lead of redmachine years later cactus... :D

as i have said..what you say bout millionaires etc..that is precicely why i have said there is no "we" or "us"..and why when i refer to lfc it is as "they".

congratulations cactus...beter late ..hey!!

..the drop drip drip effect to mediocrity is in full flow now..see how readily you accept these defeats as the norm now...

drip..drip..drip...the dam burst!!
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Jan 29 2018, 06:58 PM
so again you follow the lead of redmachine years later cactus... :D

as i have said..what you say bout millionaires etc..that is precicely why i have said there is no "we" or "us"..and why when i refer to lfc it is as "they".

congratulations cactus...beter late ..hey!!

..the drop drip drip effect to mediocrity is in full flow now..see how readily you accept these defeats as the norm now...

drip..drip..drip...the dam burst!!
1 - Its not the norm, hence the very recent meltdown on here
2 - You're not the first person to ever think footballers don't care, Its hardly an uncommon viewpoint, and not exactly one that I've recently reached.
3 - I don't accept the defeats, I just don't see the value in boring the shit out of everyone on here by whining about it three days later.
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..well corries on in a bit..what do you think will happen with phelan..?

we can talk about that..
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Jan 29 2018, 07:12 PM
..well corries on in a bit..what do you think will happen with phelan..?

we can talk about that..
I have no idea about Corrie, I'd rather cut my nuts off than watch a soap.... You'll be telling me you watch Strictly next :D
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lol no don't like strictly.

phelan is a reincarnation of jimmy corkhill haha.
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Jan 29 2018, 07:18 PM
lol no don't like strictly.

phelan is a reincarnation of jimmy corkhill haha.
Phew, thought me and you were heading for another fallout.... :D
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Jan 29 2018, 06:16 PM
I'm so bored of reading the same self-important guff over and over again.

Barca were dumb enough to give us 140 million for Coutinho. Now he's suddenly been transformed into our best ever player in some peoples heads and apparently the reason that we weren't able to break down Swansea and why we lost to West Brom. The fact that we failed to beat those teams with him in the team is conveniently forgotten. He's a good player, great even. But he's never worth 140 million.

I'm honestly getting to the point where I just don't care about football anymore. I rapidly getting to the point where I don't care who spends what and when, because its all so far from the realms of being reasonable amounts that it all becomes meaningless. I just want to watch the match and be entertained. Thats about it for me these days. All these amateur accountants just should just go and read a spreadsheet, go on an excel forum and bore the shit off them all on there instead.
Wow all those years I used to say net spend is a myth during the rafa years and met some resistance. You've finally accepted it.

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Well obviously if Liverpool don't win a league title , a cup or stay outside the top again wont change my life one iota. BUT were on a damn LFC football forum and if we are going to post something , what should that be ? There are 20 threads going on now and YES most are about the transfer market, spending , what players other teams are buying and all the players Liverpool should be buying and are not.

Its fucking JANUARY that's why .

No worries as on Thursday, this week its back to discussing how shit Moreno, Lovren and Mignolet are . Be patient everyone !
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Jan 29 2018, 09:22 PM
Well obviously if Liverpool don't win a league title , a cup or stay outside the top again wont change my life one iota. BUT were on a damn LFC football forum and if we are going to post something , what should that be ? There are 20 threads going on now and YES most are about the transfer market, spending , what players other teams are buying and all the players Liverpool should be buying and are not.

Its fucking JANUARY that's why .

No worries as on Thursday, this week its back to discussing how shit Moreno, Lovren and Mignolet are . Be patient everyone !
Is this a vote of confidence Aussie ?
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Jan 29 2018, 08:20 PM
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Jan 29 2018, 06:16 PM
I'm so bored of reading the same self-important guff over and over again.

Barca were dumb enough to give us 140 million for Coutinho. Now he's suddenly been transformed into our best ever player in some peoples heads and apparently the reason that we weren't able to break down Swansea and why we lost to West Brom. The fact that we failed to beat those teams with him in the team is conveniently forgotten. He's a good player, great even. But he's never worth 140 million.

I'm honestly getting to the point where I just don't care about football anymore. I rapidly getting to the point where I don't care who spends what and when, because its all so far from the realms of being reasonable amounts that it all becomes meaningless. I just want to watch the match and be entertained. Thats about it for me these days. All these amateur accountants just should just go and read a spreadsheet, go on an excel forum and bore the shit off them all on there instead.
Wow all those years I used to say net spend is a myth during the rafa years and met some resistance. You've finally accepted it.

Use of the words "net spend" in my post - none. I'm not saying that I agree with net spend or gross spend, but that I'm at the point where I simply don't care anymore.
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Jan 29 2018, 05:37 PM
Man U sign Sanchez for gazillions, Arsenal sign Mkhitaryan and it now looks like they will sign the PEA for a reputed £55-60 mill and City seem about to sign Laporte for £57 mill. All of it in an attempt to ensure that they gain European Champions League football. Meantime we we sell our best player for a reputed £146 mill and sign Tony Gallacher for 200K. The HOPE is the lad turns out to be a good buy, however, in the here and now it would seem we could really be up against it in terms of qualification IF these signings do pay off - the whole point of it really. :))
Filed under 'funny because its true'. To be fair Arsenal had to bring someone in to quell the unrest, and Mkhitaryan is not consistent at this level hence is a bit of a risk quite honestly. Looks like PEA will only come if Giroud leaves. Definitely pissed about Utd. getting Sanchez.
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Jan 29 2018, 09:26 PM
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Jan 29 2018, 09:22 PM
Well obviously if Liverpool don't win a league title , a cup or stay outside the top again wont change my life one iota. BUT were on a damn LFC football forum and if we are going to post something , what should that be ? There are 20 threads going on now and YES most are about the transfer market, spending , what players other teams are buying and all the players Liverpool should be buying and are not.

Its fucking JANUARY that's why .

No worries as on Thursday, this week its back to discussing how shit Moreno, Lovren and Mignolet are . Be patient everyone !
Is this a vote of confidence Aussie ?
no just a acceptance of our mediocrity :yes:
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So City splash the £57 plus mill on Laporte, that means Man City's spending just on just their defence alone exceeds the defence budget of of more than 52 countries. :greedy:

Now by many accounts they are attempting to lash a further a further £55 mill on Mahrez today.

How do FS we can compete with anyoneG compete with that?
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