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| How long until Jurgen Klopp's trophyless tenure draws criticism from Liverpool fans? | |
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| John_Boy | Feb 2 2018, 10:57 AM Post #1 |
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How long until Jurgen Klopp's trophyless tenure draws criticism from Liverpool fans? | Football News www.skysports.com How long does Jurgen Klopp have until his trophyless tenure at Liverpool draws criticism from supporters? That was the question Gary Neville directed towards former Reds defender Jamie Carragher on a special edition of The Debate on Thursday. Klopp's two-year spell at Anfield has undoubtedly improved Liverpool but the Merseysiders are yet to lift silverware under the German. Defeat in the 2016 League Cup and Europa League finals prevented Klopp from lifting a trophy in his first full season at Anfield, while the Reds' only realistic chance of silverware this term lies in the Champions League. Carragher thinks the pressure will begin to mount on Klopp in 12 months' time if he remains empty-handed, but believes securing consistent Champions League football will appease supporters in the short term. "With Jurgen Klopp I think there will be pressure this time next year depending on where Liverpool are," he said. "But if he gets Champions League football this season I think it's a very good season for Liverpool. "You can talk about trophies and winning the Premier League, but Liverpool have got to get back to being a Champions League club. How Jurgen Klopp's tenure at Liverpool compares to Brendan Rodgers "Liverpool have been in the Champions League twice in 10 years, and the only reason they got back in it was because they didn't have European football that season. "So if Klopp can get in it again this season, on the back of having had European football and how competitive the Premier League is now, that's an achievement. LISTEN: The Debate podcast Listen to the latest The Debate podcast with Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher! "Klopp is up against Jose Mourinho, who had Premier League experience when he went to Manchester United, Arsene Wenger, who has been here for 20 years and Mauricio Pochettino who was in the Premier League before. "So if he can secure Champions League football in his first two full seasons will be really good job. But, of course, he has to take it further and go and win trophies. "I've criticised Wenger for being in the top four for so long and not taking the next step to the league or the Champions League. "If Klopp is still getting in the top four in four or five years' time but is no closer to the title or the Champions League, that won't be good enough. "But right now, if he can turn Liverpool into a team that play in the Champions League year in, year out, along with picking up trophies, Liverpool fans will be more than happy." |
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| Snigger | Feb 2 2018, 12:45 PM Post #2 |
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The air of a subtle insanity on the Forum seems to increase. Some fans have been wanting Jurgen out for a relatively appreciable time, for example Klopp And The Blame Game Thread on here which was initiated to discuss the advent of such is approaching 2-years-old. There is now a full blown, "Klopp Out" Thread and a "Davy Liver (Taxi For Klopp)" Thread also; among other stuff!
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THE ABOVE CONTRIBUTION IS SIMPLY AN OPINION. I AM NOT LOOKING TO BITTERLY ARGUE OR FALL OUT BUT RATHER MATURELY DEBATE MATTERS SHOULD IT DIFFER FROM YOURS FOOD IS HABIT FORMING !!! | |
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| Snigger | Feb 2 2018, 12:45 PM Post #3 |
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The air of a subtle insanity on the Forum seems to increase. Some fans have been wanting Jurgen out for a relatively appreciable time, for example Klopp And The Blame Game Thread on here which was initiated to discuss the advent of such is approaching 2-years-old. There is now a full blown, "Klopp Out" Thread and a "Davy Liver (Taxi For Klopp)" Thread also; among other stuff!
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THE ABOVE CONTRIBUTION IS SIMPLY AN OPINION. I AM NOT LOOKING TO BITTERLY ARGUE OR FALL OUT BUT RATHER MATURELY DEBATE MATTERS SHOULD IT DIFFER FROM YOURS FOOD IS HABIT FORMING !!! | |
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| parks | Feb 2 2018, 01:18 PM Post #4 |
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We’ve won one trophy in the past 12 years ?i wonder what job previous managers would do with the same money spent by klopp. Rodgers before him spent 300 million on top of what he was left by the previous manager. Klopp hasn’t had the same backing as kenny or Rodgers yet gets hammered. Also, while klopps been here Utd city and Chelsea have woken up from their transition and have spent fortunes to win things in comparison. This squad is miles better than the expensively assembled one by Rodgers. There’s no comparison to what a mess Rodgers left to where we are now under klopp. Anyone would think Rodgers defensive work was excellent, the fact we conceded 50 goals a season under him goes unoticed. I’ve still a lot of faith in klopp. Needed to get rid of the poor players Rodgers left him a lot faster though. The more he stands by them the pressure will grow by those too impatient. Rafa only won two trophies in 6 years, kenny 1 trophy. Nothing since. At least klopp has us up there challenging Utd and Chelsea whilst spending very little when comparing their spending. |
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| Rushiestache | Feb 2 2018, 01:28 PM Post #5 |
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Agree with what you've written parks. my question though is.... why should he spend so little?? why is he being sent to a battle against Bazookas, surface to air missiles and armoured tanks armed only with a slingshot? This transfer window opened very well - Van Dijk came in for 75million and all of us were thrilled. Finally FSG were flexing their muscles, finally they were spending some serious money and with Keita to come in the summer, some breathtaking attacking football, a 17 game unbeaten run , the defence was finally being strengthened and things looked rosy. Cue one week later and Coutinho goes for double Van Dijks price and we then realize that nothing's really changed. FSG still don't spend more than what they recoup and we're the only premier league club to make a profit this transfer window. |
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| Danny | Feb 2 2018, 02:18 PM Post #6 |
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What do you expect RT ? FSG's track record shows how they view their business called LFC. They aren't fans they're business men who are in it for the money, if they can pick up a trophy along the way all well and good and it'll keep us fans happy, but if they don't the coffers will still keep filling up.
Edited by Danny, Feb 2 2018, 02:18 PM.
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| John_Boy | Feb 2 2018, 03:59 PM Post #7 |
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Klopp has never spent big money. He was brought in to make us competitive within our means. Why are people expecting jose/pep/conte style approach? |
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| Snigger | Feb 2 2018, 04:10 PM Post #8 |
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So was Houllier, Benitez, Hodgson, Kenny, Rodgers et al and we iz winning less and less trophies . . .
Edited by Snigger, Feb 2 2018, 04:11 PM.
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THE ABOVE CONTRIBUTION IS SIMPLY AN OPINION. I AM NOT LOOKING TO BITTERLY ARGUE OR FALL OUT BUT RATHER MATURELY DEBATE MATTERS SHOULD IT DIFFER FROM YOURS FOOD IS HABIT FORMING !!! | |
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| BnB | Feb 2 2018, 04:11 PM Post #9 |
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Agreed, I think he just spends big on the odd player when he has to. I suppose Henrikh Mkhitaryan was his big spend at BVB. |
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| bazaDred | Feb 2 2018, 04:56 PM Post #10 |
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its 6 years since klopp last won a trophy and we look as far to a title win as ever, that said its hardly like he is being backed with big money .a trophy would be great but i think our owners (and some whopper fans) would prefer top 4 every year than a trophy but they dont get the reason we watch play and love footy is to win trophies NOT to get top 4 . |
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| Camelot | Feb 2 2018, 05:24 PM Post #11 |
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Some slingshot!!!! Right now this slingshot is outperforming those tanks and bazookas!!!! It seems to me that the fact that the club got 140 mill. for Coutniho is being held against Klopp. No 'congratulations on negotiating a top deal' for the Brazilian. Just moans and groans that he hasn't spent it all yet. If he had got half the amount he did for our wantaway midfielder, there would be no reason to moan and groan, because it would all have been spent on Virgil. Klopp said a couple of weeks ago that all the Coutinho money would be spent. I believe him. It just looks like he doesn't want to overspend on inferior replacements, and is waiting for the players he truly wants in the next window. Too many of our club's supporters are too keen to spend money that doesn't belong to them, it seems to me. Klopp has shown he is willing to spend for the players he thinks he can improve, as they fill vital spots. Get off his back, all you self-proclaimed supporters who are shoving the knife in. It takes time to create a dynasty. |
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| Rushiestache | Feb 2 2018, 05:41 PM Post #12 |
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Agreed Slingshots can be effective sometimes ... I give you David vs Goliath as a historical example or more recently Leicester vs the rest But more often than not brute force (heavy spending power) outperform and outgun the underdog Its more the exception rather than the rule, wouldn't you say? And secondly, no one is on 'klopp's back' as you point out. .. firstly he's already lost too many pairs of spectacles and secondly the owners are the ones who are in the firing line .. seven years and the more we'd like things to change, the more they stay the same. |
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| chalky the red | Feb 2 2018, 05:48 PM Post #13 |
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It started over a year ago, |
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| the antler | Feb 2 2018, 06:40 PM Post #14 |
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Dig out this thread when we're celebrating no. 6 in May. |
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| Aussiepool | Feb 2 2018, 07:24 PM Post #15 |
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The timing of that WBA home defeat last week could not of come at a worse time and as why all the questions on here now about lack of trophies etc. Yes, I do blame Klopp only for one thing. 2 plus years on the job and still buffoonish GK and back 4 - that's why they lost to WBA and out of another chance at some silveraware. |
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| Rome 77 | Feb 3 2018, 07:01 AM Post #16 |
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so why start the thread soft lad, we are competitive within our means. |
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"The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It's the way I see football, the way I see life"... Bill Shankly | |
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| stevieg4ever | Feb 3 2018, 03:01 PM Post #17 |
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Klopp has done really well since he arrived. He is the first manager that didn't inherit a squad with either Carragher or Gerrard or both; The squad he inherited was a mess and full of players not good enough to play for this club (Balotelli, Markovic, Allen, Skrtel, Sakho, all kinds of forgettable names), we have one of the best attacks around, we have not spent a great deal of time outside of the top since the start of last season, goalkeeper is the only area of the team he has not improved on; He has got us to two cup finals in his first season; He got us CL football in his first full season and we are on course for it again and into the knock out stages this season; Klopp actually looks to develop players as much as he can; there is not one player at our club who we can say he was better before they met Klopp, they have all come on some leaps and bounds, that is a rare breed in today's game. All of this at a time when the Premiership has never been this competitive ever, Utd are breaking all kinds of spending records left, right and center to win what; a league cup and a Europa League and only 5 points ahead of us. Europa League and League Cup (I can barely pronounce the new sponsors name) aren't trophies l am interested in. I would like us to win the FA Cup of course but league, CL and then CL qualification come before it, that is the reality in this day and age. We have made tremendous progress under Klopp, he is the most important person at the club and it is imperative he stays. If he goes now l seriously feel it could set us back a decade. Edited by stevieg4ever, Feb 3 2018, 03:06 PM.
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| John_Boy | Feb 3 2018, 03:53 PM Post #18 |
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We broke the record for most expensive defender? |
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| Snigger | Feb 3 2018, 04:22 PM Post #19 |
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From a sale of a player who was our top scorer last season and represented on field creation and danger, together with releasing an experienced striker who though with a bad injury record when fit must add potency to our attack released to help off-set his wages? Altogether possibly a very dicey trade-off? Father Time will tell, with the outcome relying heavily on Klopp being a wonder worker aided by a healthy dollop of Lady Luck.
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THE ABOVE CONTRIBUTION IS SIMPLY AN OPINION. I AM NOT LOOKING TO BITTERLY ARGUE OR FALL OUT BUT RATHER MATURELY DEBATE MATTERS SHOULD IT DIFFER FROM YOURS FOOD IS HABIT FORMING !!! | |
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| Kaii | Feb 3 2018, 10:55 PM Post #20 |
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Imo Klopp isn't the problem it's certain players in the team like Sturridge who aren't up for a fight, JK will continue to replace and the teams win mentality will get better. |
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| stevieg4ever | Feb 4 2018, 02:28 AM Post #21 |
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I agree with you, it is kind of nonsense when people say he hasn't spent. Realistically most of our managers have spent quite a bit, not a fan of net spend. We are never gonna have four £40m players come in in the same window, only Oil and possibly the Scum are capable of that in the Premiership now. But he has only had one full season. He has increased our position in the league and has improved us tremendously. Even if people go on about the defense, well he isn't the first LFC manager to have problems in this area. Everyone from Houllier onwards has made a hash of our defense lets be fair. Skrtel, Agger, Reina, and Johnson were, with hindsight, at this club for far, far too long. |
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| stevieg4ever | Feb 4 2018, 02:30 AM Post #22 |
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He wanted to go, Snigs. He wanted to leave since last summer, l would have liked him to stay but realistically it was never going to happen. |
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| red machine | Feb 4 2018, 05:14 PM Post #23 |
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Cannot argue with that,,"competetive within our means"..the best post i have saw you post rome..its true tbh. Klop is not chasing the kind of players man city or man utd are,,he is having to play within the restrictions of fsg...the finger points at them.. however,results like that against swansea and west brom are entirely klops fault...you would expect any lfc side to beat these teams. |
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| BnB | Feb 5 2018, 10:44 AM Post #24 |
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You love footy You mean you love you piss and moan about footy. Oh and tell everyone you are right. |
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| Hollywood | Feb 5 2018, 04:41 PM Post #25 |
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Them slingshots held the the Fu Manchu Bazookas on the bus when they visited Anfield. Perhaps they never read the user manual. Pull pin, aim and fire. Edited by Hollywood, Feb 5 2018, 07:21 PM.
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Platform 2015 "parks, if i want to say anything constructive i wont use this forum mate." A Classic Kop Talk Posting | |
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