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Liverpool u18s V Stoke u18s
Topic Started: Feb 2 2018, 10:14 PM (142 Views)
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After taking a first half lead the lads didn't play well at all and lost 2 second half goals (one a dubious pen) to Stoke who looked stronger all round, missing several players and it showed, some debutants from the u16s, FT Lfc u18s 1-2 Stoke u18s
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That's what happens - you build sides at varying levels at LFC , mould them into winning units and playing decent football , then halfway through a season somebody thinks its better to reduce wage bills and send loads around the place elsewhere .

The sides left then pinch from their understudy sides to fill the gaps etc and the developing sides cease to develop , games start to be lost , confidence and progression ceases.

The loanees come back f*cked or are sold on for a pittance then the whole failed rigmarole starts again.
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Feb 3 2018, 09:56 AM
That's what happens - you build sides at varying levels at LFC , mould them into winning units and playing decent football , then halfway through a season somebody thinks its better to reduce wage bills and send loads around the place elsewhere .

The sides left then pinch from their understudy sides to fill the gaps etc and the developing sides cease to develop , games start to be lost , confidence and progression ceases.

The loanees come back f*cked or are sold on for a pittance then the whole failed rigmarole starts again.
Very true but we also need to progress those capable of better things, the ultimate goal is to build the lads into Premiership players so putting them up against older and better players is essential for that progress, there is only so much room in each group so some are moved on, that is the sad fact of youth football, the higher the group the less some cope but the club needs to see them competing against better opposition. I feel sorry for Wilson but he will find out in the Championship if he is capable of moving up,
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Apple - we currently have 16 players out on loan , it is covered in detail in another thread . Whilst accepting that players need to be moved on loan to find their level , should not the coaches and staff at LFC know their levels??

Of the 16 players out on loan I would suggest maybe only Grujic , at a push may come back in as a squad member . The other 15 are basically surplus to requirements and should have been sold off or shipped out permanently by now.

I know some may be late developers , but professional qualified staff and coaches should be in a position to ensure that they are working with the right calibre of player , otherwise what is the point of the Academy?

As an example , only one of those players has been loaned to a Premier League club - Sturridge - and we all know that is to save wages , nothing to do with development .

Non of the others are at Prem clubs so we will not know when they come back if they can play at that level. They are merely being touted around to see if we can sell them.

In a nutshell - They are not good enough for LFC first team.
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Feb 3 2018, 11:25 AM
Apple - we currently have 16 players out on loan , it is covered in detail in another thread . Whilst accepting that players need to be moved on loan to find their level , should not the coaches and staff at LFC know their levels??

Of the 16 players out on loan I would suggest maybe only Grujic , at a push may come back in as a squad member . The other 15 are basically surplus to requirements and should have been sold off or shipped out permanently by now.

I know some may be late developers , but professional qualified staff and coaches should be in a position to ensure that they are working with the right calibre of player , otherwise what is the point of the Academy?

As an example , only one of those players has been loaned to a Premier League club - Sturridge - and we all know that is to save wages , nothing to do with development .

Non of the others are at Prem clubs so we will not know when they come back if they can play at that level. They are merely being touted around to see if we can sell them.

In a nutshell - They are not good enough for LFC first team.
But yet may still potentially yield money, Wisdom, Stewart, Brannigan, Smith, Jones, Suso, Sinclair, Canos, (Flanagan?) etc., sorta human cattle market springs to that cynic within me. Gather them up cherry pick through for any goodies then flog off wherever possible. The aforementioned raised a considerable amount of dough we suppose relativeley speaking. :)
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Andy Robertson was considered a crap, cheap buy by many on this forum when he joined the club in he summer. Two years ago, he was playing in the championship.

At the other extreme, Mo Salah was a premier league player 2 years ago, and was fobbed off by Chelsea as not up to snuff to Milan. Many on here likely laughed at Chelsea's indiscretion. Both for buying him, and letting him go.

Solanke was excellent for England U-20 in the world cup, but has rather struggled when given his opportunity, even if he has worked hard.

I hear we just penned this youngster Curtis Jones to a contract. Sounds promising by all accounts.

The point is what little we know of any player at any level until he puts on a shirt and runs out at Anfield for the first 11. Even then, it might take a season or two to find his legs.

Whilst players move around and squads get changed, i find it difficult to believe that the likes of Gerrard, Klopp and the rest of our training staff have no input into these decisions. Is that what is being suggested?

I miight boldly suggest that Gerrard would have a decent idea of which players have what it takes to meet the standard, and those who do not. Yes, I think that might be a fair assumption, as opposed to players being released to "save FSG a few quid".

Ultimately, a youngster gets loaned, then he has basically been told he needs to up his level in order to come back, or it is for him to get real matches under his belt. I see nothing wrong with that.
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Feb 3 2018, 10:42 AM
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Feb 3 2018, 09:56 AM
That's what happens - you build sides at varying levels at LFC , mould them into winning units and playing decent football , then halfway through a season somebody thinks its better to reduce wage bills and send loads around the place elsewhere .

The sides left then pinch from their understudy sides to fill the gaps etc and the developing sides cease to develop , games start to be lost , confidence and progression ceases.

The loanees come back f*cked or are sold on for a pittance then the whole failed rigmarole starts again.
Very true but we also need to progress those capable of better things, the ultimate goal is to build the lads into Premiership players so putting them up against older and better players is essential for that progress, there is only so much room in each group so some are moved on, that is the sad fact of youth football, the higher the group the less some cope but the club needs to see them competing against better opposition. I feel sorry for Wilson but he will find out in the Championship if he is capable of moving up,
Just been talking to a sports statistician who assesses players from the top leagues in Europe + the championship, I was asking him about Sessingnon from Fulham and he said he was talking to the Fulham staff about him as his stats are not as impressive as they had hoped, he has moved into the 1st team but they say he hasn't improved on the player he took over from and that his future isn't as sure as it was when they refused to sell him, they are now worried they have missed the boat and won't get what they wanted for him. and that before he steps out of the championship,
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The young lad who is still 17 has made 31 appearances and scored 9 goals in this his second season , having bagged 7 in 30 appearances last season from left back.

Your mate takes some impressing Apple - I am sure as hell impressed by this lads stats , and he is not eligible to go for a pint yet.

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Feb 3 2018, 09:09 PM
The young lad who is still 17 has made 31 appearances and scored 9 goals in this his second season , having bagged 7 in 30 appearances last season from left back.

Your mate takes some impressing Apple - I am sure as hell impressed by this lads stats , and he is not eligible to go for a pint yet.

I did ask him about Sessignon and that is what he said about him although he did say he was an interesting case, I am not going to disrespect his view as he is one of the leading sports statisticians in the world. he is an old school friend of my son who is home from America for a month and Ian came to visit him last night.

https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/management/staff/ian-mchale/
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I'd sign sessignon. Top player.
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Is he JB? I know what you mean :) However, the Title Top player can surely only be applied to a player who is at the Top? Good or great potential would be a better description and Ryan indeed IMHO has great potential, for moi rather like Bale at this age. Should have got him last time out, but apparently we blinked at £10 mill. Pity.
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Agreed Snigs we should have bought him and left him at Fulham - 10m would not have been a major gamble .

Looks like our scouts and coaches did not value him that highly , and they obviously know more than us as they brought in Markovic for twice that price.
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Feb 3 2018, 09:09 PM
The young lad who is still 17 has made 31 appearances and scored 9 goals in this his second season , having bagged 7 in 30 appearances last season from left back.

Your mate takes some impressing Apple - I am sure as hell impressed by this lads stats , and he is not eligible to go for a pint yet.

Was he playing LB for them in those 31 appearances? I don't think he was, but obviously don't watch Fulham every week.

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DickWhiteog
Feb 3 2018, 09:09 PM
The young lad who is still 17 has made 31 appearances and scored 9 goals in this his second season , having bagged 7 in 30 appearances last season from left back.

Your mate takes some impressing Apple - I am sure as hell impressed by this lads stats , and he is not eligible to go for a pint yet.

Was he playing LB for them in those 31 appearances? I don't think he was, but obviously don't watch Fulham every week.

Think he is more a left wing back - he does not do much defending whenever I have seen snippets of games.
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