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Topic Started: Feb 4 2018, 11:05 PM (375 Views)
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Hollywood
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Feb 5 2018, 03:13 PM
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If we put the ref to the sideline for one second and just review the football.
Think it fair to say Spurs deserved at least a point.
We pretty awful in the second half. So much so, I had a hard time recognizing our side.
Spurs can go into the Anfield dressing room holding their heads up high having largely dominated proceedings, getting the required decisions, not once, but twice, and securing a point.
Our lads must be in the dressing room thinking, what just happened, and not be feeling too good abut themselves, if I am being honest.
Really thought it would be a closer game, and we would be more expansive. More aggressive. We were ultimately tame in the last 45.
"Think it fair to say Spurs deserved at least a point." Why do you think that? You think Spurs maybe deserved to win on account of greater possession? By that criterion, we deserved to beat WBA and Swansea, but not many supporters nor pundits were ready to make that case. Did Spurs do more offensively than our club, create more chances, and better ones? Did they have key officiating decisions go against them to have goals called back? Did they keep hitting woodwork without scoring? Did Spurs defend better? The fact is that Spurs didn't dominate regarding creation of scoring chances, they gave up possession in a bad location for our first goal, and they needed the intervention of a pair of bad officials for their second goal. Our club played a good defensive game for the most part, and created chances, better ones than Spurs created, despite their possession stats. Spurs get credit for a brilliant solo strike for their first goal. Otherwise they huffed and puffed. And what's more, their reward came from diving more than for their penetrative play. When we batter teams and get a point, come up against a parked bus etc., or even lose, then I come on here against all and sundry suggesting we deserved more from the game than the point. United match for instance. Chelsea a few tines at Anfield.
Fact is, I have been going on about how teams cannot cope with our football. In the last couple of weeks, West Brom gave us a lesson for 45 minutes, as did Spurs, so that is worrying.
The more troubling thing about our display is that we have lots of questions to ask ourselves, and a poor performance, whilst Spurs appeared to get it all right. Therefore, I am disappointed with how we set about the entire second half. We were outplayed, and dropping the points became inevitable. The refereeing debacle diffuses the main issue which, for me, was our performance in the 2nd half.
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Feb 5 2018, 03:17 PM
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..all of which indicates that klops methods and tactics are no more than average and actualy not that good which also indicates success under klop will not happen..apart from top 4 if lucky.
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Feb 5 2018, 04:16 PM
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Can’t remember the last time a team came to Anfield and completely dominated a half of football like Spurs did in the second 45. It was all the battle in central midfield, their trio streets ahead of Liverpools. They complement each other , one destroys and breaks up play , the other runs directly with the ball while the other kills them with long passes. Ours , just run and press when they can but are pretty useless with the ball or trying to attack. One dimensional and predictable.
Totally agree, Dier, Dembele and Alli are streets ahead of what we have, Dembele in particular dominated our three, it was embarrassing at times. Also agree with Klopp; refs shouldn't be awarding penalties in stoppage time unless they are 100% certain it is a spot kick.
While I agree that Dembele is their main 'pivot', in the first half he was completely smothered by Henderson, Can and Milner - none of the trio gave him any time on the ball and he actually started putting out his elbows and going in hard on our players when he lost it. Klopp's gameplan was to not give him anytime on the ball and it worked. Second half as soon as Dembele was withdrawn for Wanyama, that gameplan was thrown out of the window, there was no one to react to the changed situation, Can became his usual headless self and Wanyama scored... Coincidence ? I think not. FWIW, I'd take only Dembele and possibly Eriksen out of that Spurs team and put them in ours. Dier is shit, Alli is ok, but ineffective most of the time .
Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up to a really good goal. If he had another 20 shots from there I think he misses them all, this time unlucky for us he scored. They cheated for the penalties, the lino fist pumping was strange to see, did he have a big bet on two penalties or a score draw. I would also take Son from their team as well as Toby A, not to mention the keeper.
Don't forget Pocchetino's vital contribution with the substitution. Not the Wanyama entry, but Lamela. With his diving team neutralised after Dele Alli's embarrasing yellow card, he had to find another one to go to ground after throwing himself into a Liverpool player. It's nice to have so many reliable divers in the squad, so you always have backup. They should set up a a team for the high diving at the local swimming comps
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Feb 5 2018, 11:02 PM
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- Feb 5 2018, 03:01 PM
to make us all feel better, Lamela was also offside. How come the eagle eyed linesman never spotted that?  Borderline- Robbo could be said to be playing him onside as advantage is instructed the be given to attacking team in such close-call situations.
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Feb 5 2018, 11:08 PM
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If we put the ref to the sideline for one second and just review the football.
Think it fair to say Spurs deserved at least a point.
We pretty awful in the second half. So much so, I had a hard time recognizing our side.
Spurs can go into the Anfield dressing room holding their heads up high having largely dominated proceedings, getting the required decisions, not once, but twice, and securing a point.
Our lads must be in the dressing room thinking, what just happened, and not be feeling too good abut themselves, if I am being honest.
Really thought it would be a closer game, and we would be more expansive. More aggressive. We were ultimately tame in the last 45.
"Think it fair to say Spurs deserved at least a point." Why do you think that? You think Spurs maybe deserved to win on account of greater possession? By that criterion, we deserved to beat WBA and Swansea, but not many supporters nor pundits were ready to make that case. Did Spurs do more offensively than our club, create more chances, and better ones? Did they have key officiating decisions go against them to have goals called back? Did they keep hitting woodwork without scoring? Did Spurs defend better? The fact is that Spurs didn't dominate regarding creation of scoring chances, they gave up possession in a bad location for our first goal, and they needed the intervention of a pair of bad officials for their second goal. Our club played a good defensive game for the most part, and created chances, better ones than Spurs created, despite their possession stats. Spurs get credit for a brilliant solo strike for their first goal. Otherwise they huffed and puffed. And what's more, their reward came from diving more than for their penetrative play. Well, I thought a draw was fair- we battered them first half, they did same to us in second period. We did have some potentially great opportunities which for the most part never quite materialized- we were not at our best. Of the two 'keepers, I think our Loris was busier than their Lloris, which is a bit of an indictment in itself...
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Feb 5 2018, 11:43 PM
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If we put the ref to the sideline for one second and just review the football.
Think it fair to say Spurs deserved at least a point.
We pretty awful in the second half. So much so, I had a hard time recognizing our side.
Spurs can go into the Anfield dressing room holding their heads up high having largely dominated proceedings, getting the required decisions, not once, but twice, and securing a point.
Our lads must be in the dressing room thinking, what just happened, and not be feeling too good abut themselves, if I am being honest.
Really thought it would be a closer game, and we would be more expansive. More aggressive. We were ultimately tame in the last 45.
"Think it fair to say Spurs deserved at least a point." Why do you think that? You think Spurs maybe deserved to win on account of greater possession? By that criterion, we deserved to beat WBA and Swansea, but not many supporters nor pundits were ready to make that case. Did Spurs do more offensively than our club, create more chances, and better ones? Did they have key officiating decisions go against them to have goals called back? Did they keep hitting woodwork without scoring? Did Spurs defend better? The fact is that Spurs didn't dominate regarding creation of scoring chances, they gave up possession in a bad location for our first goal, and they needed the intervention of a pair of bad officials for their second goal. Our club played a good defensive game for the most part, and created chances, better ones than Spurs created, despite their possession stats. Spurs get credit for a brilliant solo strike for their first goal. Otherwise they huffed and puffed. And what's more, their reward came from diving more than for their penetrative play.
Well, I thought a draw was fair- we battered them first half, they did same to us in second period. We did have some potentially great opportunities which for the most part never quite materialized- we were not at our best. Of the two 'keepers, I think our Loris was busier than their Lloris, which is a bit of an indictment in itself... Well, there you have it. Different people seeing the same events and coming to different judgements. Granted that we have played better, but I still maintain that Lamela dived for the penalty, whether he was offside or not. And I do believe our defence played well, limiting Spurs chances. I have revised one point, however. The referee's body, the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), provided an interpretation on the first penalty call. I had previously made the case that the FA needed to provide guidance as to why many offsides stand, even when a player of the defending team makes contact with the ball. According to their interpretation, the offside is voided if the defender makes deliberate contact with the ball and an offside player is considered to have been 'played on'. Upon replaying the incident several times, it appears that Lovren did make deliberate, if imperfect, contact with the ball. It didn't affect the outcome, with Karius's penalty kick save, of course.
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Feb 5 2018, 11:47 PM
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Not so much a save, though - it went straight at him- surprised he didn't try to get out of the way! More of a 'miss' by Kane...
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Feb 6 2018, 02:37 AM
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Not so much a save, though - it went straight at him- surprised he didn't try to get out of the way! More of a 'miss' by Kane... A lot of penalty takers hit the ball down the middle and score because the GK decides to dive left or right. I'm going to give Karius the credit for staying in the middle. I've given him a good deal of stick for his mistakes this season, so I'll congratulate him for the save.
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Feb 6 2018, 09:32 PM
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That's a more gracious way of looking at it- I'm ashamed of myself...
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