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Topic Started: Nov 20 2011, 11:43 PM (840 Views)
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Nov 25 2011, 04:52 PM
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keane scored the same amount of goals as torres and gerrard in his brief spell. he was treated harshly. some players were more favoured than others.
rafa wanted yes men and didnt get along with players who offered an opinion.
Rafa wanted players who could adhere to a tactical plan. Keane couldn't/wouldn't so he was sold. Torres only started 20 league games that season, so it wouldn't have been hard for Keane to outscore him in his brief time here (which he didn't). He didn't outscore Gerrard either, despite Gerrard having injury problems. We improved greatly after he went. We picked up more points and scored more goals in less games - fact.
Rafa got told to move on - FACT!
Don't see the relevance of your post to mine. Obviously something you felt compelled to say, regardless. :ph43r:
You have the monopoly on quoting facts then do you? Next time I'll make sure you get to vet my post.
No you misunderstand - I accept it is a fact. Just don't see the relevance to my post. Thought you were going a bit BlondeBoy on us there.
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keane scored the same amount of goals as torres and gerrard in his brief spell. he was treated harshly. some players were more favoured than others.
rafa wanted yes men and didnt get along with players who offered an opinion.
Rafa wanted players who could adhere to a tactical plan. Keane couldn't/wouldn't so he was sold. Torres only started 20 league games that season, so it wouldn't have been hard for Keane to outscore him in his brief time here (which he didn't). He didn't outscore Gerrard either, despite Gerrard having injury problems. We improved greatly after he went. We picked up more points and scored more goals in less games - fact.
rafa's career has tanked worse than keane's
Beauty! To think there was a post on here recently discussing the merits of having him back. No thanks. Thanks for the memories and all that.
Many fans would have him back in a heartbeat. There is a great deal of affection for him, especially among local fans I speak to in various mediums.
Warm and fuzzies aside in the 'local mediums', as many fans are glad they'll never ever see Rafe at Anfield again. Most polarizing manager ever to work at Anfield in my years. Must be stats to back up this summation. Whyn't you start a poll on it?
Finally, what's so local about you? Thought you were a scotsman? Not sure the relevance of that statement either. World game football, even if I was born / bred in Liverpool. At least I kept my loyalty to my home town.
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Nov 25 2011, 05:00 PM
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keane scored the same amount of goals as torres and gerrard in his brief spell. he was treated harshly. some players were more favoured than others.
rafa wanted yes men and didnt get along with players who offered an opinion.
Rafa wanted players who could adhere to a tactical plan. Keane couldn't/wouldn't so he was sold. Torres only started 20 league games that season, so it wouldn't have been hard for Keane to outscore him in his brief time here (which he didn't). He didn't outscore Gerrard either, despite Gerrard having injury problems. We improved greatly after he went. We picked up more points and scored more goals in less games - fact.
rafa's career has tanked worse than keane's
Beauty! To think there was a post on here recently discussing the merits of having him back. No thanks. Thanks for the memories and all that.
Many fans would have him back in a heartbeat. There is a great deal of affection for him, especially among local fans I speak to in various mediums.
Warm and fuzzies aside in the 'local mediums', as many fans are glad they'll never ever see Rafe at Anfield again. Most polarizing manager ever to work at Anfield in my years. Must be stats to back up this summation. Whyn't you start a poll on it? Finally, what's so local about you? Thought you were a scotsman? Not sure the relevance of that statement either. World game football, even if I was born / bred in Liverpool. At least I kept my loyalty to my home town.
That's total bollocks. He'd be welcomed back by the majority.
Not sure what my locality has to do with this, seeing as you're in Canada.
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Nov 25 2011, 05:00 PM
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keane scored the same amount of goals as torres and gerrard in his brief spell. he was treated harshly. some players were more favoured than others.
rafa wanted yes men and didnt get along with players who offered an opinion.
Rafa wanted players who could adhere to a tactical plan. Keane couldn't/wouldn't so he was sold. Torres only started 20 league games that season, so it wouldn't have been hard for Keane to outscore him in his brief time here (which he didn't). He didn't outscore Gerrard either, despite Gerrard having injury problems. We improved greatly after he went. We picked up more points and scored more goals in less games - fact.
Rafa got told to move on - FACT!
Don't see the relevance of your post to mine. Obviously something you felt compelled to say, regardless. :ph43r:
You have the monopoly on quoting facts then do you? Next time I'll make sure you get to vet my post.
No you misunderstand - I accept it is a fact. Just don't see the relevance to my post. Thought you were going a bit BlondeBoy on us there.
The relevance of my "FACT" post is that I do not think rafa was good for the club, and you seemed intent on promoting his record after Keane departed. Forgive me if I misrepresented your intent.
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Nov 25 2011, 05:03 PM
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keane scored the same amount of goals as torres and gerrard in his brief spell. he was treated harshly. some players were more favoured than others.
rafa wanted yes men and didnt get along with players who offered an opinion.
Rafa wanted players who could adhere to a tactical plan. Keane couldn't/wouldn't so he was sold. Torres only started 20 league games that season, so it wouldn't have been hard for Keane to outscore him in his brief time here (which he didn't). He didn't outscore Gerrard either, despite Gerrard having injury problems. We improved greatly after he went. We picked up more points and scored more goals in less games - fact.
rafa's career has tanked worse than keane's
Beauty! To think there was a post on here recently discussing the merits of having him back. No thanks. Thanks for the memories and all that.
Many fans would have him back in a heartbeat. There is a great deal of affection for him, especially among local fans I speak to in various mediums.
Warm and fuzzies aside in the 'local mediums', as many fans are glad they'll never ever see Rafe at Anfield again. Most polarizing manager ever to work at Anfield in my years. Must be stats to back up this summation. Whyn't you start a poll on it? Finally, what's so local about you? Thought you were a scotsman? Not sure the relevance of that statement either. World game football, even if I was born / bred in Liverpool. At least I kept my loyalty to my home town.
That's total bollocks. He'd be welcomed back by the majority. Not sure what my locality has to do with this, seeing as you're in Canada.
You quoted "local mediums". Assumed you meant you actually lived in Liverpool as it was your implication. I responded to that. If you live in Scotland, then what local mediums are you referring to?
You need to settle down or wait till Red Machine gets back because you are pedantic.
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Nov 25 2011, 05:08 PM
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keane scored the same amount of goals as torres and gerrard in his brief spell. he was treated harshly. some players were more favoured than others.
rafa wanted yes men and didnt get along with players who offered an opinion.
Rafa wanted players who could adhere to a tactical plan. Keane couldn't/wouldn't so he was sold. Torres only started 20 league games that season, so it wouldn't have been hard for Keane to outscore him in his brief time here (which he didn't). He didn't outscore Gerrard either, despite Gerrard having injury problems. We improved greatly after he went. We picked up more points and scored more goals in less games - fact.
rafa's career has tanked worse than keane's
Beauty! To think there was a post on here recently discussing the merits of having him back. No thanks. Thanks for the memories and all that.
Many fans would have him back in a heartbeat. There is a great deal of affection for him, especially among local fans I speak to in various mediums.
Warm and fuzzies aside in the 'local mediums', as many fans are glad they'll never ever see Rafe at Anfield again. Most polarizing manager ever to work at Anfield in my years. Must be stats to back up this summation. Whyn't you start a poll on it? Finally, what's so local about you? Thought you were a scotsman? Not sure the relevance of that statement either. World game football, even if I was born / bred in Liverpool. At least I kept my loyalty to my home town.
That's total bollocks. He'd be welcomed back by the majority. Not sure what my locality has to do with this, seeing as you're in Canada.
You quoted "local mediums". Assumed you meant you actually lived in Liverpool as it was your implication. I responded to that. If you live in Scotland, then what local mediums are you referring to? You need to settle down or wait till Red Machine gets back because you are pedantic.
I quoted local fans I speak to in various mediums. I have many friends from Liverpool whom I visit as often as possible, and also have many friends on twitter who are from Liverpool as well as relatives in the area. Also get the Anfield Wrap podcast - collection of local journalists, freelance writers and hardcore Liverpool fans. Incredibly entertaining and informative stuff.
I can count those who wouldn't want Rafa back on the fingers of one hand. Well, one finger will do. 
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Nov 25 2011, 05:21 PM
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keane scored the same amount of goals as torres and gerrard in his brief spell. he was treated harshly. some players were more favoured than others.
rafa wanted yes men and didnt get along with players who offered an opinion.
Rafa wanted players who could adhere to a tactical plan. Keane couldn't/wouldn't so he was sold. Torres only started 20 league games that season, so it wouldn't have been hard for Keane to outscore him in his brief time here (which he didn't). He didn't outscore Gerrard either, despite Gerrard having injury problems. We improved greatly after he went. We picked up more points and scored more goals in less games - fact.
rafa's career has tanked worse than keane's
Beauty! To think there was a post on here recently discussing the merits of having him back. No thanks. Thanks for the memories and all that.
Many fans would have him back in a heartbeat. There is a great deal of affection for him, especially among local fans I speak to in various mediums.
Warm and fuzzies aside in the 'local mediums', as many fans are glad they'll never ever see Rafe at Anfield again. Most polarizing manager ever to work at Anfield in my years. Must be stats to back up this summation. Whyn't you start a poll on it? Finally, what's so local about you? Thought you were a scotsman? Not sure the relevance of that statement either. World game football, even if I was born / bred in Liverpool. At least I kept my loyalty to my home town.
That's total bollocks. He'd be welcomed back by the majority. Not sure what my locality has to do with this, seeing as you're in Canada.
You quoted "local mediums". Assumed you meant you actually lived in Liverpool as it was your implication. I responded to that. If you live in Scotland, then what local mediums are you referring to? You need to settle down or wait till Red Machine gets back because you are pedantic.
I quoted local fans I speak to in various mediums. I have many friends from Liverpool whom I visit as often as possible, and also have many friends on twitter who are from Liverpool as well as relatives in the area. Also get the Anfield Wrap podcast - collection of local journalists, freelance writers and hardcore Liverpool fans. Incredibly entertaining and informative stuff. I can count those who wouldn't want Rafa back on the fingers of one hand. Well, one finger will do.
Well you need to pull your head out of the sand and start widening your social circle if you think the majority people want Rafa back mate. I live in Canada, and on forums alone, it is easy to see that rafa has polarized fans to a massive extent. Are you disagreeing with this?
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scotty get the anfield wrap prodacast lads ,well we are waisting our time as he is better informed than us who live in the city :lol:
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at this moment in time everyone wants kenny to succeed.if he doesnt then many will look around to see who is about to replace him....not many candidates right now if he went are there.in such an instance i believe rafa could well become a serious contender. would you trust a klinsman or an upstart like chelsea's young manager over the pedigree of an experienced man like rafa. :mellow:
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at this moment in time everyone wants kenny to succeed.if he doesnt then many will look around to see who is about to replace him....not many candidates right now if he went are there.in such an instance i believe rafa could well become a serious contender. would you trust a klinsman or an upstart like chelsea's young manager over the pedigree of an experienced man like rafa. :mellow:
Assuming your tongue is firmly in cheek - not mine like.
Good to have you back RM. Take care of Soctty would you?
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Nov 25 2011, 06:01 PM
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keane scored the same amount of goals as torres and gerrard in his brief spell. he was treated harshly. some players were more favoured than others.
rafa wanted yes men and didnt get along with players who offered an opinion.
Rafa wanted players who could adhere to a tactical plan. Keane couldn't/wouldn't so he was sold. Torres only started 20 league games that season, so it wouldn't have been hard for Keane to outscore him in his brief time here (which he didn't). He didn't outscore Gerrard either, despite Gerrard having injury problems. We improved greatly after he went. We picked up more points and scored more goals in less games - fact.
rafa's career has tanked worse than keane's
Beauty! To think there was a post on here recently discussing the merits of having him back. No thanks. Thanks for the memories and all that.
Many fans would have him back in a heartbeat. There is a great deal of affection for him, especially among local fans I speak to in various mediums.
Warm and fuzzies aside in the 'local mediums', as many fans are glad they'll never ever see Rafe at Anfield again. Most polarizing manager ever to work at Anfield in my years. Must be stats to back up this summation. Whyn't you start a poll on it? Finally, what's so local about you? Thought you were a scotsman? Not sure the relevance of that statement either. World game football, even if I was born / bred in Liverpool. At least I kept my loyalty to my home town.
That's total bollocks. He'd be welcomed back by the majority. Not sure what my locality has to do with this, seeing as you're in Canada.
You quoted "local mediums". Assumed you meant you actually lived in Liverpool as it was your implication. I responded to that. If you live in Scotland, then what local mediums are you referring to? You need to settle down or wait till Red Machine gets back because you are pedantic.
I quoted local fans I speak to in various mediums. I have many friends from Liverpool whom I visit as often as possible, and also have many friends on twitter who are from Liverpool as well as relatives in the area. Also get the Anfield Wrap podcast - collection of local journalists, freelance writers and hardcore Liverpool fans. Incredibly entertaining and informative stuff. I can count those who wouldn't want Rafa back on the fingers of one hand. Well, one finger will do.
Well you need to pull your head out of the sand and start widening your social circle if you think the majority people want Rafa back mate. I live in Canada, and on forums alone, it is easy to see that rafa has polarized fans to a massive extent. Are you disagreeing with this?
I accept he polarized opinions by the end, but I still feel most would welcome him back.
And your going "by forums" is just going by the forums you frequent. Go on different ones with more posters and you'll see a different picture being painted.
Nobody has an official vote on this so we are going by what we know and feel.
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fact has 4 letters - fact 1st letter is f - fact 4th letter is t - fact 2nd letter is a - fact 3rd letter is c - fact rafa is no longer here - fact rafa finished 7th in his last season - fact
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Nov 25 2011, 10:32 PM
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fact has 4 letters - fact 1st letter is f - fact 4th letter is t - fact 2nd letter is a - fact 3rd letter is c - fact rafa is no longer here - fact rafa finished 7th in his last season - fact
You are blonde. Fact.
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Sorry, but surveying posts on various forums and chatrooms provides a very poor barometer of any subject, Rafa included. These forums are notorious as vehicles for griping and bellyaching, so that's what we see most of. The majority of supporters don't post, they just turn up and support, and by and large they are much more tolerant than those who post. They complain when we lose, and cheer when we win, but they don't have agendae, as a lot of posters do. As for myself, I thought that Rafa was the difference between a second place team and a tenth placed team. In my view, a lot of players became overachievers under his guidance. Nobody thought of turning Gerrard into a successful second striker until Rafa did it. And I lost time of the number of times so-called supporters would go ballistic at his choice of starting eleven and tactics, then have to eat their words when we won. It didn't always work. That's life. And his detractors only point at his failures. Kenny is doing well, and deserves his chance, for sure. And I suspect that he is planning on bringing back the bootroom approach, eventually to hand over to Gerrard. That's how Kenny got his managerial career launched. If so, Rafa's chance has gone. But if he were to return, I would expect him to do well.
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scotty get the anfield wrap prodacast lads ,well we are waisting our time as he is better informed than us who live in the city :lol:
Living in the city does not confer any particular qualities on anybody. That goes for knowledge and intelligence, and for many other attributes. As a supporter, you put yourself where your heart is, lad. That transcends knowledge and intelligence, of which you are living proof.
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scotty get the anfield wrap prodacast lads ,well we are waisting our time as he is better informed than us who live in the city :lol:
Living in the city does not confer any particular qualities on anybody. That goes for knowledge and intelligence, and for many other attributes. As a supporter, you put yourself where your heart is, lad. That transcends knowledge and intelligence, of which you are living proof.
kind words cheers mate
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scotty get the anfield wrap prodacast lads ,well we are waisting our time as he is better informed than us who live in the city :lol:
Living in the city does not confer any particular qualities on anybody. That goes for knowledge and intelligence, and for many other attributes. As a supporter, you put yourself where your heart is, lad. That transcends knowledge and intelligence, of which you are living proof.
kind words cheers mate
Your usual childish response is what we have come to expect, Baza, and you didn't let us down. The point of this particular thread being that you would be just as childish if you lived in Hong Kong or Rio de Janeiro. It has nothing to do with where you live. So Socktitty or Hollywood being more knowledgeable than you has nothing to do with where they live.
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Sorry, but surveying posts on various forums and chatrooms provides a very poor barometer of any subject, Rafa included. These forums are notorious as vehicles for griping and bellyaching, so that's what we see most of. The majority of supporters don't post, they just turn up and support, and by and large they are much more tolerant than those who post. They complain when we lose, and cheer when we win, but they don't have agendae, as a lot of posters do. As for myself, I thought that Rafa was the difference between a second place team and a tenth placed team. In my view, a lot of players became overachievers under his guidance. Nobody thought of turning Gerrard into a successful second striker until Rafa did it. And I lost time of the number of times so-called supporters would go ballistic at his choice of starting eleven and tactics, then have to eat their words when we won. It didn't always work. That's life. And his detractors only point at his failures. Kenny is doing well, and deserves his chance, for sure. And I suspect that he is planning on bringing back the bootroom approach, eventually to hand over to Gerrard. That's how Kenny got his managerial career launched. If so, Rafa's chance has gone. But if he were to return, I would expect him to do well.
gerrard was already a success before rafa came to LFC. if anything, his talents were wasted under rafa's ineffective management.
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Sorry, but surveying posts on various forums and chatrooms provides a very poor barometer of any subject, Rafa included. These forums are notorious as vehicles for griping and bellyaching, so that's what we see most of. The majority of supporters don't post, they just turn up and support, and by and large they are much more tolerant than those who post. They complain when we lose, and cheer when we win, but they don't have agendae, as a lot of posters do. As for myself, I thought that Rafa was the difference between a second place team and a tenth placed team. In my view, a lot of players became overachievers under his guidance. Nobody thought of turning Gerrard into a successful second striker until Rafa did it. And I lost time of the number of times so-called supporters would go ballistic at his choice of starting eleven and tactics, then have to eat their words when we won. It didn't always work. That's life. And his detractors only point at his failures. Kenny is doing well, and deserves his chance, for sure. And I suspect that he is planning on bringing back the bootroom approach, eventually to hand over to Gerrard. That's how Kenny got his managerial career launched. If so, Rafa's chance has gone. But if he were to return, I would expect him to do well.
gerrard was already a success before rafa came to LFC. if anything, his talents were wasted under rafa's ineffective management.
Agreed that Gerrard was already a great midfielder when Rafa came. But we never saw 20 goal seasons from him. Rafa was the one who saw that in him and his partnership with Torres as second striker, and added that dimension to Gerrard's game.
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Nov 26 2011, 02:31 PM
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- Camelot,Nov 26 2011
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Sorry, but surveying posts on various forums and chatrooms provides a very poor barometer of any subject, Rafa included. These forums are notorious as vehicles for griping and bellyaching, so that's what we see most of. The majority of supporters don't post, they just turn up and support, and by and large they are much more tolerant than those who post. They complain when we lose, and cheer when we win, but they don't have agendae, as a lot of posters do. As for myself, I thought that Rafa was the difference between a second place team and a tenth placed team. In my view, a lot of players became overachievers under his guidance. Nobody thought of turning Gerrard into a successful second striker until Rafa did it. And I lost time of the number of times so-called supporters would go ballistic at his choice of starting eleven and tactics, then have to eat their words when we won. It didn't always work. That's life. And his detractors only point at his failures. Kenny is doing well, and deserves his chance, for sure. And I suspect that he is planning on bringing back the bootroom approach, eventually to hand over to Gerrard. That's how Kenny got his managerial career launched. If so, Rafa's chance has gone. But if he were to return, I would expect him to do well.
gerrard was already a success before rafa came to LFC. if anything, his talents were wasted under rafa's ineffective management.
Agreed that Gerrard was already a great midfielder when Rafa came. But we never saw 20 goal seasons from him. Rafa was the one who saw that in him and his partnership with Torres as second striker, and added that dimension to Gerrard's game.
he scored 20 as a RW - this leads me to believe gerrard was able to score from anywhere. i feel the 2nd striker talk is a little exaggerated; he was part of a 5-man MF. he supported torres, just like he supported owen.
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Nov 26 2011, 09:11 PM
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all the problems everton have had and they are eighth now.lfc 7th.
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Nov 26 2011, 09:17 PM
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- red machine,Nov 26 2011
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all the problems everton have had and they are eighth now.lfc 7th.
A 2 - 0 win or better tomorrow and we move up to 4th in the league RM, fuck the bitters
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Nov 26 2011, 09:19 PM
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Sorry, but surveying posts on various forums and chatrooms provides a very poor barometer of any subject, Rafa included. These forums are notorious as vehicles for griping and bellyaching, so that's what we see most of. The majority of supporters don't post, they just turn up and support, and by and large they are much more tolerant than those who post. They complain when we lose, and cheer when we win, but they don't have agendae, as a lot of posters do. As for myself, I thought that Rafa was the difference between a second place team and a tenth placed team. In my view, a lot of players became overachievers under his guidance. Nobody thought of turning Gerrard into a successful second striker until Rafa did it. And I lost time of the number of times so-called supporters would go ballistic at his choice of starting eleven and tactics, then have to eat their words when we won. It didn't always work. That's life. And his detractors only point at his failures. Kenny is doing well, and deserves his chance, for sure. And I suspect that he is planning on bringing back the bootroom approach, eventually to hand over to Gerrard. That's how Kenny got his managerial career launched. If so, Rafa's chance has gone. But if he were to return, I would expect him to do well.
gerrard was already a success before rafa came to LFC. if anything, his talents were wasted under rafa's ineffective management.
Do you know how daft you sound?
Gerrard played the best football of his career under Rafa, Fact.
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Nov 26 2011, 09:20 PM
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yes i know ..thats the plus side.hope it happens and it can.city are obviously better than last year.for me lescotte is a liability...own goal from him or suarez roasting him would be good.
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Nov 26 2011, 09:46 PM
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- red machine,Nov 26 2011
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yes i know ..thats the plus side.hope it happens and it can.city are obviously better than last year.for me lescotte is a liability...own goal from him or suarez roasting him would be good.
I'll vote for that. Suarez roasting that turkey, Lescott, to celebrate American Thanksgiving. Carroll to knock the stuffing out of them. Washed down with lots of whine from Citeh. Leaving their supporters mooning around singing the blues.
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