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Topic Started: Nov 27 2011, 08:10 PM (834 Views)
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hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
11:16 AM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
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hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
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I don't understand the question. We have just battered the most in form, most expensive and arguably best team in world club football and but for an incredible goalkeeping performance would have won. Also, we did it while playing some great attacking football, showing real team spirtit and excellent determination. All of this without our supposed best player on the park. Beggars fucking belief

i dont think you can put a valid argument together to say that city are better than real madrid or barca this season, best in england yes deffo based on pts this season

Well, people often say that the premier league is the best in europe. Barca have 28 points from 13 games Real have 34 and Man City have 35. Just a thought. Barca habe also yet to play Real while City have played United.

real madrid are imo the best team in world football so far this season as they have shown in the biggest competition ( champs league )

it took jose 12months to get the team playing how he wants it and they have been nothing short of phenomenal in the league and the champions league whereas city have struggled in the champs league
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littlemole,Nov 28 2011
12:28 PM
hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
11:16 AM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
10:23 AM
hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
10:17 AM
I don't understand the question. We have just battered the most in form, most expensive and arguably best team in world club football and but for an incredible goalkeeping performance would have won. Also, we did it while playing some great attacking football, showing real team spirtit and excellent determination. All of this without our supposed best player on the park. Beggars fucking belief

i dont think you can put a valid argument together to say that city are better than real madrid or barca this season, best in england yes deffo based on pts this season

Well, people often say that the premier league is the best in europe. Barca have 28 points from 13 games Real have 34 and Man City have 35. Just a thought. Barca habe also yet to play Real while City have played United.

real madrid are imo the best team in world football so far this season as they have shown in the biggest competition ( champs league )

it took jose 12months to get the team playing how he wants it and they have been nothing short of phenomenal in the league and the champions league whereas city have struggled in the champs league

Barca are still the best team. Real and City might be the form teams early in the season, but I wouldn't judge a player, never mind a team, after 13 games.

City have the most expensively assembled squad in history, and had only dropped two points before yesterday. We are also the only team City haven't scored more than once against this season in the league.

Great performance yesterday which deserved more. Hope I'm not saying that consistently all season. We need to start making our superiority count more often.
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Soctty,Nov 28 2011
12:04 PM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
12:28 PM
hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
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littlemole,Nov 28 2011
10:23 AM
hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
10:17 AM
I don't understand the question. We have just battered the most in form, most expensive and arguably best team in world club football and but for an incredible goalkeeping performance would have won. Also, we did it while playing some great attacking football, showing real team spirtit and excellent determination. All of this without our supposed best player on the park. Beggars fucking belief

i dont think you can put a valid argument together to say that city are better than real madrid or barca this season, best in england yes deffo based on pts this season

Well, people often say that the premier league is the best in europe. Barca have 28 points from 13 games Real have 34 and Man City have 35. Just a thought. Barca habe also yet to play Real while City have played United.

real madrid are imo the best team in world football so far this season as they have shown in the biggest competition ( champs league )

it took jose 12months to get the team playing how he wants it and they have been nothing short of phenomenal in the league and the champions league whereas city have struggled in the champs league

Barca are still the best team. Real and City might be the form teams early in the season, but I wouldn't judge a player, never mind a team, after 13 games.

City have the most expensively assembled squad in history, and had only dropped two points before yesterday. We are also the only team City haven't scored more than once against this season in the league.

Great performance yesterday which deserved more. Hope I'm not saying that consistently all season. We need to start making our superiority count more often.

i was proud of the team yesterday and we will click into gear soon and start hammering teams
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littlemole,Nov 28 2011
01:08 PM
Soctty,Nov 28 2011
12:04 PM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
12:28 PM
hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
11:16 AM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
10:23 AM
hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
10:17 AM
I don't understand the question. We have just battered the most in form, most expensive and arguably best team in world club football and but for an incredible goalkeeping performance would have won. Also, we did it while playing some great attacking football, showing real team spirtit and excellent determination. All of this without our supposed best player on the park. Beggars fucking belief

i dont think you can put a valid argument together to say that city are better than real madrid or barca this season, best in england yes deffo based on pts this season

Well, people often say that the premier league is the best in europe. Barca have 28 points from 13 games Real have 34 and Man City have 35. Just a thought. Barca habe also yet to play Real while City have played United.

real madrid are imo the best team in world football so far this season as they have shown in the biggest competition ( champs league )

it took jose 12months to get the team playing how he wants it and they have been nothing short of phenomenal in the league and the champions league whereas city have struggled in the champs league

Barca are still the best team. Real and City might be the form teams early in the season, but I wouldn't judge a player, never mind a team, after 13 games.

City have the most expensively assembled squad in history, and had only dropped two points before yesterday. We are also the only team City haven't scored more than once against this season in the league.

Great performance yesterday which deserved more. Hope I'm not saying that consistently all season. We need to start making our superiority count more often.

i was proud of the team yesterday and we will click into gear soon and start hammering teams

Nice to be agreeing with you for a change. All is well at LFC, and we're going in the right direction quickly.

Cue RM or Baza to throw cold water on things...
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Soctty,Nov 28 2011
12:13 PM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
01:08 PM
Soctty,Nov 28 2011
12:04 PM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
12:28 PM
hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
11:16 AM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
10:23 AM
hughiealonso,Nov 28 2011
10:17 AM
I don't understand the question. We have just battered the most in form, most expensive and arguably best team in world club football and but for an incredible goalkeeping performance would have won. Also, we did it while playing some great attacking football, showing real team spirtit and excellent determination. All of this without our supposed best player on the park. Beggars fucking belief

i dont think you can put a valid argument together to say that city are better than real madrid or barca this season, best in england yes deffo based on pts this season

Well, people often say that the premier league is the best in europe. Barca have 28 points from 13 games Real have 34 and Man City have 35. Just a thought. Barca habe also yet to play Real while City have played United.

real madrid are imo the best team in world football so far this season as they have shown in the biggest competition ( champs league )

it took jose 12months to get the team playing how he wants it and they have been nothing short of phenomenal in the league and the champions league whereas city have struggled in the champs league

Barca are still the best team. Real and City might be the form teams early in the season, but I wouldn't judge a player, never mind a team, after 13 games.

City have the most expensively assembled squad in history, and had only dropped two points before yesterday. We are also the only team City haven't scored more than once against this season in the league.

Great performance yesterday which deserved more. Hope I'm not saying that consistently all season. We need to start making our superiority count more often.

i was proud of the team yesterday and we will click into gear soon and start hammering teams

Nice to be agreeing with you for a change. All is well at LFC, and we're going in the right direction quickly.

Cue RM or Baza to throw cold water on things...

i thought lucas was immense as was adam yesterday and a certain poster was trying to use my praise of lucas to start a fire,

in the light of the terrible news about gary speed yesterday i thought we put in a magnificent performance and i reckon we will kick on now and have the self belief to destroy teams. the 2nd half display was superb and it shows we can play football with the best teams in the league, we shouldn't fear anyone now
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being proud of draws at home isnt going to win the club trophies as will playing under performing players but i was proud of the way 9 of those players played its just the same two or three letting the club down game after game yet kenny wont drop them for longer than one game .
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bazaDred,Nov 28 2011
12:25 PM
being proud of draws at home isnt going to win the club trophies as will playing under performing players but i was proud of the way 9 of those players played its just the same two or three letting the club down game after game yet kenny wont drop them for longer than one game .

being proud of your team for playing the league leaders off the park is not to be taken lightly. delighted the way we played as a TEAM despite a cpl of poor players
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littlemole,Nov 28 2011
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bazaDred,Nov 28 2011
12:25 PM
being proud of draws at home isnt going to win the club trophies as will playing under performing players but i was proud of the way 9  of those players played its just the same two or three letting the club down game after game yet kenny wont drop them for longer than one game .

being proud of your team for playing the league leaders off the park is not to be taken lightly. delighted the way we played as a TEAM despite a cpl of poor players

being proud wins you nothing and reason we didnt win was to many passengers not doing there job as i said i was proud of 9 of our players while a couple let us down game after game and shouldnt just be dropped for one game .
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bazaDred,Nov 28 2011
12:42 PM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
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bazaDred,Nov 28 2011
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being proud of draws at home isnt going to win the club trophies as will playing under performing players but i was proud of the way 9  of those players played its just the same two or three letting the club down game after game yet kenny wont drop them for longer than one game .

being proud of your team for playing the league leaders off the park is not to be taken lightly. delighted the way we played as a TEAM despite a cpl of poor players

being proud wins you nothing and reason we didnt win was to many passengers not doing there job as i said i was proud of 9 of our players while a couple let us down game after game and shouldnt just be dropped for one game .

why dont you call kenny out over it? instead of blaming the players'i mean kenny picks the team having watched them train all week
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littlemole,Nov 28 2011
12:45 PM
bazaDred,Nov 28 2011
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littlemole,Nov 28 2011
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bazaDred,Nov 28 2011
12:25 PM
being proud of draws at home isnt going to win the club trophies as will playing under performing players but i was proud of the way 9  of those players played its just the same two or three letting the club down game after game yet kenny wont drop them for longer than one game .

being proud of your team for playing the league leaders off the park is not to be taken lightly. delighted the way we played as a TEAM despite a cpl of poor players

being proud wins you nothing and reason we didnt win was to many passengers not doing there job as i said i was proud of 9 of our players while a couple let us down game after game and shouldnt just be dropped for one game .

why dont you call kenny out over it? instead of blaming the players'i mean kenny picks the team having watched them train all week

i have criticized kenny for picking downing and buying carroll how many times do i need to say it :o kenny needs to stop playing under performing players and pick players who will play a good match and not just talk a good match in the press .
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Danny,Nov 28 2011
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Well if battering the like of City, Utd, Swansea and Norwich is good enough for you it's not for me, the object of the game is to win. On another post i've said that the effort put in yesterday was fantastic and the players deserve credit but please stop kidding yourselves because we didn't win.

Behave yourself. We didn't win so we can't have played well?

The team is a work in progress. Some seem to think that because money has been spent we should instantly become title challengers. Remind me again when the Sheiks took over Man City? Its taken them a few seasons to get where they are and that is with an unlimited pay-check.

To think we should be in their position is frankly mental.
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I dont think anyone is expecting instant results but there are many posters on here ( me included ) who were not happy with certain new arrivals to the squad and more to the point the levels of monies paid for them. Bottom line is that Downing, Henderson and Carroll cost around 75 mill and for that outlay we should have expected a better player. Carroll is just not doing it which doesn't need any explanation because he cant even get in the team. Downing at best is a goodish squad player who will never set the world alight, we know this is fact when you see what he did for his previous two clubs. Henderson who I have a bit of sympathy just cannot warrant his massive transfer fee, ok i think he's being played out of position but to pay 20 mill on what management describe as potential seems foolhardy, 20 mill should have bought someone who could walk straight into the team and make it better and the same applies to all three of them. All the other buys have made us a better team but you cannot allow the likes of Miereles leave and replace them with the likes of Henderson, it's a no brainer
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For me it boils down to a very simple question - do you trust Kenny and his judgment.

A resounding yes from this poster.
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cactusjon,Nov 28 2011
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For me it boils down to a very simple question - do you trust Kenny and his judgment.

A resounding yes from this poster.

And also from around 90% plus of the posters on here Jon, so it is up to us to question those that don't and the reasons why ;)
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Of course we all want to trust Kenny's judgement but that doesn't mean you can't comment on situations you aren't happy with. I remember Kenny buying Jimmy Carter from Arsenal and i'm sure he would admit he got that one wrong so perhaps in time we will see if he got these wrong as well
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Danny,Nov 28 2011
02:21 PM
Of course we all want to trust Kenny's judgement but that doesn't mean you can't comment on situations you aren't happy with. I remember Kenny buying Jimmy Carter from Arsenal and i'm sure he would admit he got that one wrong so perhaps in time we will see if he got these wrong as well

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Danny,Nov 28 2011
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Of course we all want to trust Kenny's judgement but that doesn't mean you can't comment on situations you aren't happy with. I remember Kenny buying Jimmy Carter from Arsenal and i'm sure he would admit he got that one wrong so perhaps in time we will see if he got these wrong as well

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Danny,Nov 28 2011
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Of course we all want to trust Kenny's judgement but that doesn't mean you can't comment on situations you aren't happy with. I remember Kenny buying Jimmy Carter from Arsenal and i'm sure he would admit he got that one wrong so perhaps in time we will see if he got these wrong as well

Seems like a politicians answer to me. Of course Kenny will make mistakes, that does not justify the constant berating of players and his signings that some people are doing. I trust him dispute those mistakes, not berate him because of them.

Do you trust Kennys judgment or not? Yes or no?
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I suppose on one side we have Suarez, Enrique, Adam and Bellamy on the other side we have Downing Carroll and Henderson, wouldn't be to bad if we hadn't spent 75 mill doing it, thats the real problem 75 mill should have got us a higher calibre player. Compare Adebayor with Carroll it's no contest and there was no fee involved, compare Ashley young with Downing again Young has far more ability and finally young Henderson, take your pick the likes of Parker and Nasri were available and ok there might have been problems with them but the fees that they went for was right for the player and the buyer. Look at our own Miereles who we gave away , he was miles better than young Henderson. LFC used to have a policy of never relacing a player until they had someone better to replace him with so if anyone out there thinks Henderson is better than Miereles I'd like to have their thoughts . The point is that there are and were far better players out there costing less than what we paid. If Downing cost 10 mill or even Henderson costing that kind of money it wouldn't concern me because I wouldn't have expected any better, for Carroll 35 mill lets just say i still dont understand it and to ask if I trust Kenny well yes I would like to think I do but on these three players time will tell
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I suppose on one side we have Suarez, Enrique, Adam and Bellamy on the other side we have Downing Carroll and Henderson, wouldn't be to bad if we hadn't spent 75 mill doing it, thats the real problem 75 mill should have got us a higher calibre player. Compare Adebayor with Carroll it's no contest and there was no fee involved, compare Ashley young with Downing again Young has far more ability and finally young Henderson, take your pick the likes of Parker and Nasri were available and ok there might have been problems with them but the fees that they went for was right for the player and the buyer. Look at our own Miereles who we gave away , he was miles better than young Henderson. LFC used to have a policy of never relacing a player until they had someone better to replace him with so if anyone out there thinks Henderson is better than Miereles I'd like to have their thoughts . The point is that there are and were far better players out there costing less than what we paid. If Downing cost 10 mill or even Henderson costing that kind of money it wouldn't concern me because I wouldn't have expected any better, for Carroll 35 mill lets just say i still dont understand it and to ask if I trust Kenny well yes I would like to think I do but on these three players time will tell

This is the problem with so many "supporters" these days. Instant results are expected, be it from the team or from individuals. If not, you have these armchair experts dismissing players who have not yet played 20 games for a club. Mental.

You seem very reluctant to directly say that you trust him. You "want to" and would "like to think you do".... Kenny gets my support and he has my trust. Simple.

Another interesting fact, taking the same games from last season and comparing with our points total from this season (or their equivalent if from a relegated/promoted team) we are already 6 points better off than last season. Progress is being made, and the team is developing.

We went through all this crap with Lucas and a lot of people are now starting to look a little foolish as they continue to attempt to justify their criticism of him, rather than accepting that they called it wrong and that he has become a very important player for us.

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having gained 6 points more this point of the season than last does not mean there has been progress. its like the time when people were saying rafa made 'year on year progress'....then ended up 7th - leaving the club worse than he inherited it.

during the rafa years, it was all about having a blank cheque....we've always spent big and now is not much different.....but now its time needed and we cant have instant success. when £20mil is spent on players like downing/henderson, we fully expect them to deliver. carroll being 22 is no exception. big money was paid for supposedly big talent in our spending spree.....so we need these players to start contributing.

lucas has been a regular for sometime now, that in no way means he is any good. average squad player who adds little to the team. we have had better players than lucas in recent times. adam is better than lucas and contributes far more.
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You sound like someone trying to recruit beleivers for a bazarr religeous sect with staments like 'he gets your support and he has your trust' the name of the game my friend is winning and scoring goals so face reality and understand that we at the moment lack points and goals which I hope you understand go together. As far as I know it was Commoli who committed the crazy monies for Carroll and for that he wants his head examiming, if it was Kenny the same applies to him, everyone is accountable so dont let your red tinted glassed disguise that fact. Everyone has a role to play and i'm sure everyone is committed to get the club back to where it should be but all this bull shit about do I trust Kenny is real Roy of the rovers stuff. Kenny is a top man, was a great player but he's also had failures which proves he is as fallable as anyone else to make mistakes so lets judge him after a couple of seasons and then I will be able to tell you if I trust him
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cactusjon,Nov 28 2011
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Danny,Nov 28 2011
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Well if battering the like of City, Utd, Swansea and Norwich is good enough for you it's not for me, the object of the game is to win. On another post i've said that the effort put in yesterday was fantastic and the players deserve credit but please stop kidding yourselves because we didn't win.

Behave yourself. We didn't win so we can't have played well?

The team is a work in progress. Some seem to think that because money has been spent we should instantly become title challengers. Remind me again when the Sheiks took over Man City? Its taken them a few seasons to get where they are and that is with an unlimited pay-check.

To think we should be in their position is frankly mental.

no body except soccty expects a title challenge..second is his prediction.
everyone else sees 4th as the holy grail.
some way short of that though.
4 reasons why imo i do not trust kenny now to get it right.
how long is a work in progress...everton arent far behind now..are newcastle a work in progress too even though they will free fall.
theres no work in progress.total rubbish to say that. are all the other teams going to standstill for this work in progress to come good..not likely as they too are works in progress.
kennys activity in the transfer market with the funds hes wasted suggest it will be a long old work in progress ..if your daft enough to think there ever is one that is!! what your seeing is what youll get.
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red machine,Nov 28 2011
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cactusjon,Nov 28 2011
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Danny,Nov 28 2011
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Well if battering the like of City, Utd, Swansea and Norwich is good enough for you it's not for me, the object of the game is to win. On another post i've said that the effort put in yesterday was fantastic and the players deserve credit but please stop kidding yourselves because we didn't win.

Behave yourself. We didn't win so we can't have played well?

The team is a work in progress. Some seem to think that because money has been spent we should instantly become title challengers. Remind me again when the Sheiks took over Man City? Its taken them a few seasons to get where they are and that is with an unlimited pay-check.

To think we should be in their position is frankly mental.

no body except soccty expects a title challenge..second is his prediction.
everyone else sees 4th as the holy grail.
some way short of that though.
4 reasons why imo i do not trust kenny now to get it right.
how long is a work in progress...everton arent far behind now..are newcastle a work in progress too even though they will free fall.
theres no work in progress.total rubbish to say that. are all the other teams going to standstill for this work in progress to come good..not likely as they too are works in progress.
kennys activity in the transfer market with the funds hes wasted suggest it will be a long old work in progress ..if your daft enough to think there ever is one that is!! what your seeing is what youll get.

We are in the first period since Torres (etc.) was signed that the club has been investing money in the playing squad. Of course we are in a rebuilding process!
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red machine,Nov 28 2011
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cactusjon,Nov 28 2011
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Danny,Nov 28 2011
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Well if battering the like of City, Utd, Swansea and Norwich is good enough for you it's not for me, the object of the game is to win. On another post i've said that the effort put in yesterday was fantastic and the players deserve credit but please stop kidding yourselves because we didn't win.

Behave yourself. We didn't win so we can't have played well?

The team is a work in progress. Some seem to think that because money has been spent we should instantly become title challengers. Remind me again when the Sheiks took over Man City? Its taken them a few seasons to get where they are and that is with an unlimited pay-check.

To think we should be in their position is frankly mental.

no body except soccty expects a title challenge..second is his prediction.
everyone else sees 4th as the holy grail.
some way short of that though.
4 reasons why imo i do not trust kenny now to get it right.
how long is a work in progress...everton arent far behind now..are newcastle a work in progress too even though they will free fall.
theres no work in progress.total rubbish to say that. are all the other teams going to standstill for this work in progress to come good..not likely as they too are works in progress.
kennys activity in the transfer market with the funds hes wasted suggest it will be a long old work in progress ..if your daft enough to think there ever is one that is!! what your seeing is what youll get.

it will be a long old work in progress ..if your daft enough to think there ever is one that is!! what your seeing is what youll get.

is that what the mancs were saying after 2 years of ferguson, Look at the mancs and how they bring their players through, Nani and Anderson both £18m players and they have been brought in over a couple of seasons just like we used to do when we were top of the tree, It takes time and moaning and bitching about it on a daily basis ain't gonna do that ulcer you've got any good..
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