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Topic Started: Nov 27 2011, 08:10 PM (833 Views)
Soctty
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red machine,Nov 28 2011
09:23 PM
cactusjon,Nov 28 2011
01:12 PM
Danny,Nov 28 2011
10:26 AM
Well if battering the like of City, Utd, Swansea and Norwich is good enough for you it's not for me, the object of the game is to win. On another post i've said that the effort put in yesterday was fantastic and the players deserve credit but please stop kidding yourselves because we didn't win.

Behave yourself. We didn't win so we can't have played well?

The team is a work in progress. Some seem to think that because money has been spent we should instantly become title challengers. Remind me again when the Sheiks took over Man City? Its taken them a few seasons to get where they are and that is with an unlimited pay-check.

To think we should be in their position is frankly mental.

no body except soccty expects a title challenge..second is his prediction.
everyone else sees 4th as the holy grail.
some way short of that though.
4 reasons why imo i do not trust kenny now to get it right.
how long is a work in progress...everton arent far behind now..are newcastle a work in progress too even though they will free fall.
theres no work in progress.total rubbish to say that. are all the other teams going to standstill for this work in progress to come good..not likely as they too are works in progress.
kennys activity in the transfer market with the funds hes wasted suggest it will be a long old work in progress ..if your daft enough to think there ever is one that is!! what your seeing is what youll get.

We are currently 6th, 7 points off second, 12 points off the top, with 25 games to go, despite not quite clicking yet. My prediction wasn't made hastily. I looked at the other teams and honestly think we are better than most of them. If we were currently level with City I might even have picked us for top spot, but 12 points is a hell of a gap to make up (although it has been done before, with many less games to play).

I am expecting us to improve as the season goes on, with new players settling more and more as the season goes on. I'm expecting us to start winning at home, which has held us back - with home wins against Sunderland, Norwich and Swansea we'd be a point off United. With a win against United we'd be 2 points ahead.

All ifs and buts, although I've seen enough quality to tell me 2nd is a very real prospect. Our midfield is helping to create chances in large quantities. They are also helping our defence be tight. Our defence is solid and hard to break down, while our keeper is the best around. In Suarez we have one of the league's best players, with guys like Bellamy, Maxi, Downing, Kuyt and Henderson to support him. Then there's Carroll, who is not a donkey, but a very good striker who will get goals for us. I can't see us not being involved at the sharp end come March, April May time.
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Sooty - you think we can finish 2nd, I've heard a few daft things posted but that ones right at the top
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Danny,Nov 29 2011
11:59 AM
Sooty - you think we can finish 2nd, I've heard a few daft things posted but that ones right at the top

I think people saying we'll finish between 8th and 12th is daft. I think people saying we'll finish 6th are being a bit negative. I think people saying we'll finish 4th are playing it safe to an extent. At the end of the day it's their prediction.

Let's wait until the end of the season, and see who is closest. I hope I'm closest.

As for people saying daft things, RM's posts about Henderson a while back take some beating. So does your post about Downing being average.
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Why don't you arrange a poll to see what all our posters think about Downing, ask something like- Do you think Downing is a

a) A great player

B) A better than average player

c) An average player

d) A worse than average player

e) A bad player
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John_Boy

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downing is an average player. when the team plays well, he will blend in and may even contribute, but when the team is up against it, he is one of many who shy away and does not take the initiative to be productive.
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Danny
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C'mon Sooty man arrange the poll, lets have a vote !
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Soctty
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Danny,Nov 29 2011
12:22 PM
Why don't you arrange a poll to see what all our posters think about Downing, ask something like- Do you think Downing is a

a) A great player

B) A better than average player

c) An average player

d) A worse than average player

e) A bad player

A poll will prove little, other than how many people don't know what average means.

If anyone thinks an average footballer would be a regular at a top side like Liverpool, playing in the top league in England, and also be a regular in the England side then I feel they aren't really sure what the word means.
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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:24 PM
downing is an average player. when the team plays well, he will blend in and may even contribute, but when the team is up against it, he is one of many who shy away and does not take the initiative to be productive.

Now this is a surprise - Blonde Boy hasn't a clue what average means either.

Shocking stuff.
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John_Boy

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
12:20 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:24 PM
downing is an average player. when the team plays well, he will blend in and may even contribute, but when the team is up against it, he is one of many who shy away and does not take the initiative to be productive.

Now this is a surprise - Blonde Boy hasn't a clue what average means either.

Shocking stuff.

why dont you explain your definition of average?

my understanding is a player who gets 6/7 consistently with the odd 5 and 8
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Hollywood
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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
12:19 PM
Danny,Nov 29 2011
12:22 PM
Why don't you arrange a poll to see what all our posters think about Downing, ask something like- Do you think Downing is a

a) A great player

B) A better than average player

c) An average player

d) A worse than average player

e) A bad player

A poll will prove little, other than how many people don't know what average means.

If anyone thinks an average footballer would be a regular at a top side like Liverpool, playing in the top league in England, and also be a regular in the England side then I feel they aren't really sure what the word means.

You mean a poll gives us useless statistics? Imagine that? You're a beauty Soctty.
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Danny
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Ok sooty you don't seem to want to use the word average so go for this

Marks out of 5

5 ---- World beater
4----- Excellent
3------Good
2-----Ok ish
1------ Poor
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Danny,Nov 29 2011
01:34 PM
Ok sooty you don't seem to want to use the word average so go for this

Marks out of 5

5 ---- World beater
4----- Excellent
3------Good
2-----Ok ish
1------ Poor

How about Lucas - esque? :D :D :D
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Camelot

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littlemole,Nov 28 2011
10:38 AM
i think the point being made is RM NEVER EVER EVER GIVES CREDIT TO CERTAIN PLAYERS'

RM will never give credit. He picks on what he perceives as the weak points in the team and goes for the jugular. He will always do it because he has an agenda, and Socktitty has pointed out what it is. He does not have the best interests of the team at heart, because he does not support it. If this team were to win the EPL title, he would evaporate, because he would be frustrated at having his agenda blocked. He sacrifices this club to use their weaknesses to aggrandise himself and get up the nose of the real supporters.
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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
12:19 PM
A poll will prove little, other than how many people don't know what average means.

If anyone thinks an average footballer would be a regular at a top side like Liverpool, playing in the top league in England, and also be a regular in the England side then I feel they aren't really sure what the word means.

..........other than how many people don't know what average means
Are you referring to the average person? The average dog knows what to do with poles.
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Camelot,Nov 29 2011
01:39 PM
littlemole,Nov 28 2011
10:38 AM
i think the point being made is RM NEVER EVER EVER GIVES CREDIT TO CERTAIN PLAYERS'

RM will never give credit. He picks on what he perceives as the weak points in the team and goes for the jugular. He will always do it because he has an agenda, and Socktitty has pointed out what it is. He does not have the best interests of the team at heart, because he does not support it. If this team were to win the EPL title, he would evaporate, because he would be frustrated at having his agenda blocked. He sacrifices this club to use their weaknesses to aggrandise himself and get up the nose of the real supporters.

at least he doesn't try to score points off somebody's death though eh :rolleyes:
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It appears Sooty thinks that if you play for LFC, are an England international and play in the top league in England you must be better than an average footballer, must be something to do with what he drinks me thinks. Answers lads please
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Hollywood
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Danny,Nov 29 2011
01:58 PM
It appears Sooty thinks that if you play for LFC, are an England international and play in the top league in England you must be better than an average footballer, must be something to do with what he drinks me thinks. Answers lads please

Well, you're likely not shit... on average.... in fairness....

Djimit Traore anyone. Defence rests..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Exactly
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Danny,Nov 28 2011
03:59 PM
You sound like someone trying to recruit beleivers for a bazarr religeous sect with staments like 'he gets your support and he has your trust' the name of the game my friend is winning and scoring goals so face reality and understand that we at the moment lack points and goals which I hope you understand go together. As far as I know it was Commoli who committed the crazy monies for Carroll and for that he wants his head examiming, if it was Kenny the same applies to him, everyone is accountable so dont let your red tinted glassed disguise that fact. Everyone has a role to play and i'm sure everyone is committed to get the club back to where it should be but all this bull shit about do I trust Kenny is real Roy of the rovers stuff. Kenny is a top man, was a great player but he's also had failures which proves he is as fallable as anyone else to make mistakes so lets judge him after a couple of seasons and then I will be able to tell you if I trust him

Yeah, shocker.

LFC supporter trusts and supports Kenny Dalglish.

Basically you think that "winning and scoring goals" is the name of the game.

I think building a team for the future is more important. We're moving in the right direction with decent owners and a club legend driving us forward. That is enough for me.

I've made this point before, but seeing as there is some widely unrealistic expectations, I think it is wrath repeating. Man City have spent hundreds of millions of the course of 3 years to get where they are now. Spending a fraction of that in one year is not going to instantly transform us into title challengers. Anyone who thinks otherwise is going to be disappointed.
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red machine,Nov 28 2011
08:23 PM
cactusjon,Nov 28 2011
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Danny,Nov 28 2011
10:26 AM
Well if battering the like of City, Utd, Swansea and Norwich is good enough for you it's not for me, the object of the game is to win. On another post i've said that the effort put in yesterday was fantastic and the players deserve credit but please stop kidding yourselves because we didn't win.

Behave yourself. We didn't win so we can't have played well?

The team is a work in progress. Some seem to think that because money has been spent we should instantly become title challengers. Remind me again when the Sheiks took over Man City? Its taken them a few seasons to get where they are and that is with an unlimited pay-check.

To think we should be in their position is frankly mental.

no body except soccty expects a title challenge..second is his prediction.
everyone else sees 4th as the holy grail.
some way short of that though.
4 reasons why imo i do not trust kenny now to get it right.
how long is a work in progress...everton arent far behind now..are newcastle a work in progress too even though they will free fall.
theres no work in progress.total rubbish to say that. are all the other teams going to standstill for this work in progress to come good..not likely as they too are works in progress.
kennys activity in the transfer market with the funds hes wasted suggest it will be a long old work in progress ..if your daft enough to think there ever is one that is!! what your seeing is what youll get.

Ha ha, you do make me laugh.

Your self-parodying posts are a highlight and your comic creation rivals the very greatest comedians.....

Wait, you're serious?

AH HA HA HA HA HA AH AHA AH HA

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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
01:27 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:24 PM
downing is an average player. when the team plays well, he will blend in and may even contribute, but when the team is up against it, he is one of many who shy away and does not take the initiative to be productive.

Now this is a surprise - Blonde Boy hasn't a clue what average means either.

Shocking stuff.

why dont you explain your definition of average?

my understanding is a player who gets 6/7 consistently with the odd 5 and 8

My definition is a player who is exactly in the middle of the spectrum of players between the worst player and the best player. Given there are something like 4,000 professional players in this country, and between 600 and 1,000 in the Premier League, Downing is not average.

As far as English players go, he is a regular in the England team. Of the 4,000 professional players in this country, there are probably about 2,500 English players. Downing is regularly picked as one of the best 11. That's not average.

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Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
03:07 PM
Danny,Nov 29 2011
01:58 PM
It appears Sooty thinks that if you play for LFC, are an England international and play in the top league in England you must be better than an average footballer, must be something to do with what he drinks me thinks. Answers lads please

Well, you're likely not shit... on average.... in fairness....

Djimit Traore anyone. Defence rests..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ah, that famous England regular...

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Soctty
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Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
01:54 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
12:19 PM
Danny,Nov 29 2011
12:22 PM
Why don't you arrange a poll to see what all our posters think about Downing, ask something like- Do you think Downing is a

a) A great player

B) A better than average player

c) An average player

d) A worse than average player

e) A bad player

A poll will prove little, other than how many people don't know what average means.

If anyone thinks an average footballer would be a regular at a top side like Liverpool, playing in the top league in England, and also be a regular in the England side then I feel they aren't really sure what the word means.

You mean a poll gives us useless statistics? Imagine that? You're a beauty Soctty.

Oh stop - you'll have me blushing here...


And I mean a poll of monkeys isn't going to give you the theory of relativity.
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Soctty
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Danny,Nov 29 2011
02:34 PM
Ok sooty you don't seem to want to use the word average so go for this

Marks out of 5

5 ---- World beater
4----- Excellent
3------Good
2-----Ok ish
1------ Poor

I think you are rigging the options there a wee bit.

How about -

10 - World Class
9 - Excellent
8 - Very Good
7 - Good
6 - Above average
5 - Average
4 - Below Average
3 - Poor
2 - Terrible
1 - Bebe


On that scale I'd give Downing a 7.5 so far as he settles in, with the ability to stretch to an 8 to 8.5 consistently. Last season with Villa, I'd have easily given him an 8, and a 9 on occasion.
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Good for you Sooty, you have done us proud. I give Downing 5
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