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Topic Started: Nov 28 2011, 07:50 PM (578 Views)
parks

Die-hard Reds
is our midfield capable of scoring the goals needed to get us into the top 4 this season ?
personally i dont think so .

downing - has played 264 games and scored 29 goals . 1 every 9.1 games

charlie adam - has played about 205 games,scored about 52 goals .1 every 3.9games

jordan henderson - played about 94 games,scored 6 goals . 1 every 15.6 games

lucas leiva - played about 149 games , scored 5 goals . 1 every 29.8 games

maxi rodriguez - played 337 games and scored 91 goals . 1 every 3.7 games

so without kk signing a 30 goal a season forawrd i think we may struggle to convert the chances our mf are creating .

we are creating chances but continually fail to take them.with the stats above (admittedly from wiki so not sure how accurate) its not surprising . looking at the stats i don't think its all down to bad luck that we have drawn so many games .
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red machine
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midfield is nowhere near good enough.
all this lucas world beater stuff and adam immense ..its utter tripe.
neither are nothing more than decent and the other two are no where near good enough yet they are regulars in the team. :wacko:
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bazaDred

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those stats cant be right cos they aren't agreeing with scotty :P
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parks

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rm, my main concern is scoring enough goals from midfield to qualify for c/l. with a fully fit gerrard i think we would be in the top 3 now .
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red machine
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clearly to date there is nowhere near enough goals from midfield.gerrard is hindered with the derth of quality around him.he too would/will struggle as a result.
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John_Boy

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we have a weak MF. need to drop lucas and henderson and keep adam when gerrard is fit.

-----------------reina-------------
johnson---skrtel---agger---jose
----------------adam-------------
bellamy------gerrard-------downing
---------suarez------carroll------
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Hollywood
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for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend. Eh Soctty??? :D :D
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Liverpool obviously have not scored enough goals this Season and the midfielders need to take their share of the blame for some woeful finishing. Chances have been plenty to go away with a few victories from those 5 home draws to date.

I see that lack of midfield scoring is not exclusive a Liverpool issue. See any of Barry-Milner-Toure-Fletcher-Carrick-Ramsey-Arteta-Song-Mikel-Ramirez-Meireles-Parker-Modric etc be free wheeling goal scorers ? In fact take out 33 year old Lampard who still knows where the opposition goal is, none of the rest do find the net regularly as individuals or in a tandem.

I think the problem might lie in attack where all the teams ahead of Liverpool have a recognized big time scorer and a second or 3rd option in attack that can also score a few. Liverpool has Suarez with 4 league goals to date in the league (always plays isolated in attack ) and a whole lot of nothing else. Carroll for whatever reasons and I'm sure there are plenty, has been a misfit to date. Dalglish needs to find a regular partner for Luis and alter his tactics a bit otherwise I see more of this goal scoring struggles to continue.

Only Arsenal have similar prolems in attack as Liverpool but Van Pursie has been a solo scoring machine as of late and he carries that entire burden, all the other contenders to the title have strikers that know whetre the net is.
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hughiealonso
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John_Boy,Nov 28 2011
09:02 PM
we have a weak MF. need to drop lucas and henderson and keep adam when gerrard is fit.

-----------------reina-------------
johnson---skrtel---agger---jose
----------------adam-------------
bellamy------gerrard-------downing
---------suarez------carroll------

My god man!!! Have you not watched the last two games. This midfield would be hammered!!!!!
�We can wait for it but I don�t want to say we can wait 20 years. If we sit here in four years I think we�ll have won one title � I�m pretty sure.�

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John_Boy,Nov 28 2011
09:02 PM
we have a weak MF. need to drop lucas and henderson and keep adam when gerrard is fit.

-----------------reina-------------
johnson---skrtel---agger---jose
----------------adam-------------
bellamy------gerrard-------downing
---------suarez------carroll------

hahahah, you talk about people running past Lucas, they would WALK past Adam who isn't exactly renowned for his tackling ability his he.. :wacko:
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Danny
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Not all midfielders will score goals -Masch for example and neither will Lucas who is an integral part of our team and will play whenever he's available. The weak links in our midfield are the wide men who simply don't score anywhere near the goals they should or for that matter neither do our CB's compared with other teams
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John_Boy

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hughiealonso,Nov 29 2011
09:39 AM
John_Boy,Nov 28 2011
09:02 PM
we have a weak MF. need to drop lucas and henderson and keep adam when gerrard is fit.

-----------------reina-------------
johnson---skrtel---agger---jose
----------------adam-------------
bellamy------gerrard-------downing
---------suarez------carroll------

My god man!!! Have you not watched the last two games. This midfield would be hammered!!!!!

no way, gerrard and adam will handle it!
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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Soctty
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Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend. Eh Soctty??? :D :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.
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John_Boy

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scoff,Nov 29 2011
10:09 AM
John_Boy,Nov 28 2011
09:02 PM
we have a weak MF. need to drop lucas and henderson and keep adam when gerrard is fit.

-----------------reina-------------
johnson---skrtel---agger---jose
----------------adam-------------
bellamy------gerrard-------downing
---------suarez------carroll------

hahahah, you talk about people running past Lucas, they would WALK past Adam who isn't exactly renowned for his tackling ability his he.. :wacko:

adam will do no less than lucas. gerrard will add a whole lot more to the MF.
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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John_Boy

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???  :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

they were superior DMs. lucas used to be an attacking MF converted to DM.
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:03 PM
hughiealonso,Nov 29 2011
09:39 AM
John_Boy,Nov 28 2011
09:02 PM
we have a weak MF. need to drop lucas and henderson and keep adam when gerrard is fit.

-----------------reina-------------
johnson---skrtel---agger---jose
----------------adam-------------
bellamy------gerrard-------downing
---------suarez------carroll------

My god man!!! Have you not watched the last two games. This midfield would be hammered!!!!!

no way, gerrard and adam will handle it!

No they wouldn't. Unless Gerrard played with great discipline we'd be left exposed throughout, with 5 attackers on the pitch, and only one in central midfield.
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John_Boy

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:05 AM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:03 PM
hughiealonso,Nov 29 2011
09:39 AM
John_Boy,Nov 28 2011
09:02 PM
we have a weak MF. need to drop lucas and henderson and keep adam when gerrard is fit.

-----------------reina-------------
johnson---skrtel---agger---jose
----------------adam-------------
bellamy------gerrard-------downing
---------suarez------carroll------

My god man!!! Have you not watched the last two games. This midfield would be hammered!!!!!

no way, gerrard and adam will handle it!

No they wouldn't. Unless Gerrard played with great discipline we'd be left exposed throughout, with 5 attackers on the pitch, and only one in central midfield.

gerrard is box to box.
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:05 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:05 AM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:03 PM
hughiealonso,Nov 29 2011
09:39 AM
John_Boy,Nov 28 2011
09:02 PM
we have a weak MF. need to drop lucas and henderson and keep adam when gerrard is fit.

-----------------reina-------------
johnson---skrtel---agger---jose
----------------adam-------------
bellamy------gerrard-------downing
---------suarez------carroll------

My god man!!! Have you not watched the last two games. This midfield would be hammered!!!!!

no way, gerrard and adam will handle it!

No they wouldn't. Unless Gerrard played with great discipline we'd be left exposed throughout, with 5 attackers on the pitch, and only one in central midfield.

gerrard is box to box.

You muppet. Box to box isn't a position. Box to box means having to chase back and forward all game, and us getting caught out defensively. When he was younger, he might just have done it, such was his stamina and power. Not now though. And with Charlie Adam as the DM, even though he has improved that side of his game, I think that is asking for trouble. Potentially one player in midfield when we get caught on the counter attack.

Box to box. Ha! Utter nonsense.
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John_Boy

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:13 AM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:05 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:05 AM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:03 PM
hughiealonso,Nov 29 2011
09:39 AM
John_Boy,Nov 28 2011
09:02 PM
we have a weak MF. need to drop lucas and henderson and keep adam when gerrard is fit.

-----------------reina-------------
johnson---skrtel---agger---jose
----------------adam-------------
bellamy------gerrard-------downing
---------suarez------carroll------

My god man!!! Have you not watched the last two games. This midfield would be hammered!!!!!

no way, gerrard and adam will handle it!

No they wouldn't. Unless Gerrard played with great discipline we'd be left exposed throughout, with 5 attackers on the pitch, and only one in central midfield.

gerrard is box to box.

You muppet. Box to box isn't a position. Box to box means having to chase back and forward all game, and us getting caught out defensively. When he was younger, he might just have done it, such was his stamina and power. Not now though. And with Charlie Adam as the DM, even though he has improved that side of his game, I think that is asking for trouble. Potentially one player in midfield when we get caught on the counter attack.

Box to box. Ha! Utter nonsense.

box to box - that ability adds a lot to the MF. very few players are box to box. gerrard is superior.
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???  :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

Ergo, statistics do mean piss all when trying to establish the attributes of a decent player. Thanks for clearing it up Soctty.
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John_Boy

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Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
11:55 AM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

Ergo, statistics do mean piss all when trying to establish the attributes of a decent player. Thanks for clearing it up Soctty.

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The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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Soctty
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Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
12:55 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

Ergo, statistics do mean piss all when trying to establish the attributes of a decent player. Thanks for clearing it up Soctty.

Your assumption is ridiculous.

Thanks for clearing up your total inability to understand statistics.

Assuming goals are crucial to a player's game is the point which is disproved here - especially one playing in a defensive midfield role.

Thanks for allowing me further highlight this.
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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
01:10 PM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
11:55 AM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

Ergo, statistics do mean piss all when trying to establish the attributes of a decent player. Thanks for clearing it up Soctty.

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\__/

Try not to be pathetic Blonde Boy. However hard it is, you can do it.
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John_Boy

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
12:17 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
01:10 PM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
11:55 AM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

Ergo, statistics do mean piss all when trying to establish the attributes of a decent player. Thanks for clearing it up Soctty.

.._
/LL\
\__/

Try not to be pathetic Blonde Boy. However hard it is, you can do it.

hey hey, i'm supporting you! those lucas stats cannot be defeated!

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
12:16 PM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
12:55 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

Ergo, statistics do mean piss all when trying to establish the attributes of a decent player. Thanks for clearing it up Soctty.

Your assumption is ridiculous.

Thanks for clearing up your total inability to understand statistics.

Assuming goals are crucial to a player's game is the point which is disproved here - especially one playing in a defensive midfield role.

Thanks for allowing me further highlight this.

Not an assumption - it is a fact. You have indicated some very good players that have poor goal scoring statistics. Yet, you are the first to use statistics in defence of a player you rate. Some great players have poor statistics and some shit ones have good stats. Point is, ststisitcs, though interesting in a game of trivial pursuit, and to Sky SPorts analysts, can mean dick all.

Now try and respond without sinking into an insult Scotty. Hard for you, isn't it? Forum statitistics prove it.
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