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Topic Started: Nov 28 2011, 07:50 PM (580 Views)
hughiealonso
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Fuck sake, it's the same old hacknied arguments again. Box-to-box? We've been over this again and again.The position does not exist!
�We can wait for it but I don�t want to say we can wait 20 years. If we sit here in four years I think we�ll have won one title � I�m pretty sure.�

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John_Boy

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its not a position, its an ability.
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Hollywood
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hughiealonso,Nov 29 2011
03:08 PM
Fuck sake, it's the same old hacknied arguments again. Box-to-box? We've been over this again and again.The position does not exist!

couple of lesbians I know beg to differ - big time!
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bazaDred

Die-hard Reds
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
03:40 PM
hughiealonso,Nov 29 2011
03:08 PM
Fuck sake, it's the same old hacknied arguments again. Box-to-box? We've been over this again and again.The position does not exist!

couple of lesbians I know beg to differ - big time!

any pics mate :P
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cactusjon
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.
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cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

agree be a man, john boy and anyone else who never got behind our young Brazilian.
"The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It's the way I see football, the way I see life"...
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Soctty
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Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
01:29 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
12:16 PM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
12:55 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

Ergo, statistics do mean piss all when trying to establish the attributes of a decent player. Thanks for clearing it up Soctty.

Your assumption is ridiculous.

Thanks for clearing up your total inability to understand statistics.

Assuming goals are crucial to a player's game is the point which is disproved here - especially one playing in a defensive midfield role.

Thanks for allowing me further highlight this.

Not an assumption - it is a fact. You have indicated some very good players that have poor goal scoring statistics. Yet, you are the first to use statistics in defence of a player you rate. Some great players have poor statistics and some shit ones have good stats. Point is, ststisitcs, though interesting in a game of trivial pursuit, and to Sky SPorts analysts, can mean dick all.

Now try and respond without sinking into an insult Scotty. Hard for you, isn't it? Forum statitistics prove it.

So you're saying it's a fact that goals are crucial to a player's game? Stats can be used to prove or disprove things. In this case they are used to disprove that goals are crucial to a defensive midfielder's makeup.

Different stats are important to different positions. Tackling stats aren't too important when considering strikers, and goalscoring stats aren't too important when considering defenders or defensive midfielders. It's quite straightforward.

Stats are used by our club, by our management team, the director of football and they are hugely important to our prinicipal owner.

Carry on dismissing them - as long as you know you're effectively putting your head in the sand.
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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:04 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

they were superior DMs.

In the opinion of you, Blonde Boy. Lucas tackling stats are outstanding.

lucas used to be an attacking MF converted to DM.

You're being irrelevant again, aren't you?

:lol:
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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
04:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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John_Boy

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cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

yeah right....

gerrard is box to box.
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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John_Boy

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platform9,Nov 29 2011
04:05 PM
cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

agree be a man, john boy and anyone else who never got behind our young Brazilian.

lucas is short of what we need to challenge. he offers little. a few stats wont change this.
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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John_Boy

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
04:16 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:04 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

they were superior DMs.

In the opinion of you, Blonde Boy. Lucas tackling stats are outstanding.

lucas used to be an attacking MF converted to DM.

You're being irrelevant again, aren't you?

:lol:

oh dear. who would you have, hamann/masch or lucas?
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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
05:23 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
04:16 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:04 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

they were superior DMs.

In the opinion of you, Blonde Boy. Lucas tackling stats are outstanding.

lucas used to be an attacking MF converted to DM.

You're being irrelevant again, aren't you?

:lol:

oh dear. who would you have, hamann/masch or lucas?

Lucas - Hamman is past it and Masch doesn't want to play for us.

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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
05:22 PM
platform9,Nov 29 2011
04:05 PM
cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

agree be a man, john boy and anyone else who never got behind our young Brazilian.

lucas is short of what we need to challenge. he offers little. a few stats wont change this.

You're like the village idiot. Nothing penetrates that thick skull of yours.

Lucas is our player of the year. He is on course to be one of our top 3 performers again this year. He was the top tackler in the league last season. He is the top tackler in the league this season. He helped keep City's dangermen quiet on Sunday, and coped admirably against Toure when he came on.

You talk utter nonsense.
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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
05:22 PM
cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

yeah right....

gerrard is box to box.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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stevieg4ever

Elite Reds
Take Lampard and Gerrard out of the equation (one of whom actually plays for Liverpool last time I checked) ask yourselves, honestly now, how many high scoring midfielders are there these days??

We are 3 points off of fourth place and just 7 off of second place. I think our midfield was fantastic the last two games so how people can come on here and moan is beyond me especially as Adam and Maxi provided goals at vital times recently.

I would like a more aggressive midfield line up at home to smaller teams, as we really have to start putting these teams away. Something like:

Maxi Gerrard Adam Downing

with Kuyt coming in for Maxi and Henderson for either Gerrard or Adam. However I would play Lucas in the center against the big sides who tend to have a pretty congested midfield these days where we need reinforcements.

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John_Boy

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
04:25 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
05:23 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
04:16 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:04 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

they were superior DMs.

In the opinion of you, Blonde Boy. Lucas tackling stats are outstanding.

lucas used to be an attacking MF converted to DM.

You're being irrelevant again, aren't you?

:lol:

oh dear. who would you have, hamann/masch or lucas?

Lucas - Hamman is past it and Masch doesn't want to play for us.

thats cheating....

hamann when he was a regular, masch when he was a regular and even now for barca.....or lucas....
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John_Boy

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
04:28 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
05:22 PM
platform9,Nov 29 2011
04:05 PM
cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

agree be a man, john boy and anyone else who never got behind our young Brazilian.

lucas is short of what we need to challenge. he offers little. a few stats wont change this.

You're like the village idiot. Nothing penetrates that thick skull of yours.

Lucas is our player of the year. He is on course to be one of our top 3 performers again this year. He was the top tackler in the league last season. He is the top tackler in the league this season. He helped keep City's dangermen quiet on Sunday, and coped admirably against Toure when he came on.

You talk utter nonsense.

works both ways
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Soctty
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
05:29 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
04:25 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
05:23 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
04:16 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
12:04 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
11:03 AM
Hollywood,Nov 29 2011
04:02 AM
for comparison

Souness 247/38 goal every 6.5
Whelan 362/46 goal every 7.9
Terry Mac - 232/54 goal every 4.3
Gerrard 391/85 goal every 4.6

Adam's goal record is quite impressive as is Maxi's if you compare with some of our better midfielders.

Lucas goal statistics are becoming stuff of legend.  Eh Soctty???   :D  :D

He's a defensive midfielder. His goal return is not that important, although it's not great. 1 in 29. I'd like him to chip in with a couple more, but it's not a problem.

Makalele (in England) - 1 in 108, Spain - 1 in 41
Mascherano (in England) - 1 in 69, Spain - 0
Hamman (for Liverpool) - 1 in 20.

To name a few players who play a similar position.

they were superior DMs.

In the opinion of you, Blonde Boy. Lucas tackling stats are outstanding.

lucas used to be an attacking MF converted to DM.

You're being irrelevant again, aren't you?

:lol:

oh dear. who would you have, hamann/masch or lucas?

Lucas - Hamman is past it and Masch doesn't want to play for us.

thats cheating....

hamann when he was a regular, masch when he was a regular and even now for barca.....or lucas....

It's a difficult question to answer, as clearly you think that if I would swap him for Masch or Hamman (both acclaimed as great players for Liverpool) then that would automatically mean Lucas isn't good enough. The reason you will think this is that you aren't very bright.

I'd rather have all three. ;)
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
05:30 PM
Soctty,Nov 29 2011
04:28 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
05:22 PM
platform9,Nov 29 2011
04:05 PM
cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

agree be a man, john boy and anyone else who never got behind our young Brazilian.

lucas is short of what we need to challenge. he offers little. a few stats wont change this.

You're like the village idiot. Nothing penetrates that thick skull of yours.

Lucas is our player of the year. He is on course to be one of our top 3 performers again this year. He was the top tackler in the league last season. He is the top tackler in the league this season. He helped keep City's dangermen quiet on Sunday, and coped admirably against Toure when he came on.

You talk utter nonsense.

works both ways

Unlike your brain. Do you need someone to give it a jump start?

What works both ways?
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Soctty
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stevieg4ever,Nov 29 2011
05:29 PM
Take Lampard and Gerrard out of the equation (one of whom actually plays for Liverpool last time I checked) ask yourselves, honestly now, how many high scoring midfielders are there these days??

We are 3 points off of fourth place and just 7 off of second place. I think our midfield was fantastic the last two games so how people can come on here and moan is beyond me especially as Adam and Maxi provided goals at vital times recently.

I would like a more aggressive midfield line up at home to smaller teams, as we really have to start putting these teams away. Something like:

Maxi Gerrard Adam Downing

with Kuyt coming in for Maxi and Henderson for either Gerrard or Adam. However I would play Lucas in the center against the big sides who tend to have a pretty congested midfield these days where we need reinforcements.

Steve, you don't understand. We must beat Lucas with any old stick we can find. After a fantastic performance against City, Blonde Boy still thinks he's not good enough.
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John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
04:22 PM
cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

yeah right....

gerrard is box to box.

What a stunning reposte. Allow me to retort in similar fashion.

Yeah right, no he's not.

Dead easy this debating game.
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cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
05:51 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
04:22 PM
cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

yeah right....

gerrard is box to box.

What a stunning reposte. Allow me to retort in similar fashion.

Yeah right, no he's not.

Dead easy this debating game.

You can debate back and forward for what seems like days with Blonde Boy, only for him to then negate all of your points, all of your argument and just go back to arguing black is white.

Tis infuriating. Brain of wombat.
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parks

Die-hard Reds
come on guys put the hand bags down lol , i only asked if anyone thinks our team has enough goals to get us into a top four place .
we are playing very well at times and creating many chances . in fact we are controlling the majority of games which is a good sign for the future .what i am concerned about is our current midfield stats for goals which doesnt feel me with too much confidence .in my opinion we need to sign a 20 - 30 goal a season striker or we may just miss out .
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John_Boy

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Soctty,Nov 29 2011
04:56 PM
cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
05:51 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
04:22 PM
cactusjon,Nov 29 2011
04:03 PM
John_Boy,Nov 29 2011
03:19 PM
its not a position, its an ability.

One which you would have us believe a 31 year old with a number of injuries in the last 2 years could still perform. As usual, you are wrong.

As good a player as he is, he is simply no longer cut out to be the all action dynamic midfielder he once was. Age catches up with us all, and he will need to adapt his game to compensate.

As for your contention that we play with Adam, as the sole midfielder......

The more you try and justify your criticism of Lucas, the more foolish you make yourself look. You got it wrong about Lucas, just be a man and admit it.

yeah right....

gerrard is box to box.

What a stunning reposte. Allow me to retort in similar fashion.

Yeah right, no he's not.

Dead easy this debating game.

You can debate back and forward for what seems like days with Blonde Boy, only for him to then negate all of your points, all of your argument and just go back to arguing black is white.

Tis infuriating. Brain of wombat.

gerrard is box to box.
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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