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Paddy Berger Spot On
Topic Started: Jun 19 2012, 03:35 PM (452 Views)
bazaDred

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Patrik Berger has dismissed Liverpool’s chances of mounting a serious Premier League title challenge, claiming that the level of ability in the squad is "nowhere near" that of the country’s top sides.


The Reds are facing a summer of transition after Brendan Rodgers was appointed as manager earlier this month, becoming the third man to take the reins at Anfield since Rafael Benitez was dismissed in 2010.

Despite winning the League Cup last season, Kenny Dalglish was dismissed from his post after a dire league campaign saw them finish in eighth place in the table – their lowest position since 1994.

Dalglish was given vast sums with which to strengthen the squad last summer, and Berger, who made nearly 200 appearances for the club, believes similar investment is needed if they are to have any chance of returning to the pinnacle of English football.

"They are far away from challenging, nowhere near in my opinion," Berger told Sky Sports.

"Hopefully I'll be wrong and they'll push the top teams for the Premier League title but I can't see it happening any time soon.

"A couple of years back they had [Fernando] Torres up front, then players like Peter Crouch and Robbie Keane in reserve, Craig Bellamy too.

"They used to have a big squad with quality players. Now they just have a big squad.

"These days when I see who is the on bench for Liverpool, I don't know who some of these guys are. It has to be different."

When asked which areas of the side required the most improvement, the former Czech Republic international replied: "Everywhere and in every department.

"Do they have a goalscorer? No, they don't. In the middle of the field Stevie G is without question the best player I ever played with but they need two top class additions alongside him.

"I just think they need players, really world class players. Which at the moment, they don't have. They need at least one in every department."

Berger is confident that Rodgers will have significant funds at his disposal before the start of next season, but admitted that only time will tell if the former Swansea boss can revitalise the Reds’ fortunes.

"I think you need a special type of manager to be in charge at Liverpool but I wouldn't want to judge Rodgers as I don't know too much about him and the job he is going to do," the 38-year-old said.

"I was happy that Kenny Dalglish came back and initially he did quite well but at the end of the season the board have obviously made their decision. If this will prove to be the right decision, or not, will unfold next season.

"The board believe Rodgers is the right man for the job and I suspect they'll give him money to spend, and time. That's the key thing, time."
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Gaun yersel Paddy - stick the knife in. <_<


Another expert ex player. Terrible season last season, but since the manager carried the can, we can expect big improvements next season.
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Soctty,Jun 19 2012
04:06 PM
Gaun yersel Paddy - stick the knife in.  <_<


Another expert ex player. Terrible season last season, but since the manager carried the can, we can expect big improvements next season.

The thing is Soctty that I don't think many of us expect improvement but merely hope for it. We are in limbo at the moment and must wait to see how things develop.
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posters who know there football knew what was coming with the shite signings last season but the deluded couldnt see it and it will probably be the same shiete this season unless rogers signs some top class gems but i wont hold my breath .
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bazaDred,Jun 19 2012
04:41 PM
posters who know there football knew what was coming with the shite signings last season but the deluded couldnt see it and it will probably be the same shiete this season unless rogers signs some top class gems but i wont hold my breath .

I don't think the side would suffer too much if we were to offload Henderson, Adam and Downing at a minimal loss but who is brought in is the question.
I have my doubts about old Swansea City boys.
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KevHoppy,Jun 19 2012
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I don't think the side would suffer too much if we were to offload Henderson, Adam and Downing at a minimal loss but who is brought in is the question.
I have my doubts about old Swansea City boys.

i think you can add lucas carroll carra and spearing to that list also lad :mellow:
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KevHoppy,Jun 19 2012
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I don't think the side would suffer too much if we were to offload Henderson, Adam and Downing at a minimal loss but who is brought in is the question.
I have my doubts about old Swansea City boys.

i think you can add lucas carroll carra and spearing to that list also lad :mellow:

I would keep hold of Carroll for a while Baza but the others I would also go along with.
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Soctty,Jun 19 2012
04:06 PM
Gaun yersel Paddy - stick the knife in. <_<


Another expert ex player. Terrible season last season, but since the manager carried the can, we can expect big improvements next season.

Why big improvments, if the same players that werfe brought in, in the last 2 ro 3 season are still going to be there.
Hopefully we'll be a bit more clinical in front of goal, but I can't see this squad getting above 6th next season. Not unless BR can offload about half our squad and spend another £100m, I dounbt there will be much change.
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KevHoppy,Jun 19 2012
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I don't think the side would suffer too much if we were to offload Henderson, Adam and Downing at a minimal loss but who is brought in is the question.
I have my doubts about old Swansea City boys.

i think you can add lucas carroll carra and spearing to that list also lad :mellow:

I would keep hold of Carroll for a while Baza but the others I would also go along with.

Andy is a good leader ;) he should lead CHAD out of LFC ( he can take Srearo with them) :lol:
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bloodred,Jun 19 2012
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Soctty,Jun 19 2012
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Gaun yersel Paddy - stick the knife in.  <_<


Another expert ex player. Terrible season last season, but since the manager carried the can, we can expect big improvements next season.

Why big improvments, if the same players that werfe brought in, in the last 2 ro 3 season are still going to be there.
Hopefully we'll be a bit more clinical in front of goal, but I can't see this squad getting above 6th next season. Not unless BR can offload about half our squad and spend another £100m, I dounbt there will be much change.

Big improvements because the manager was blamed by FSG - hence he's gone and the players are still here. Therefore the players are not deemed responsible.

Henderson is only getting better, Carroll looks like the player we thought we were getting, and Downing won't go another season without a goal or assist - created the second most chances of anyone in the current England squad in the premier league last season. Lucas should get a full season, and hopefully Gerrard and Suarez will be available for the whole season.

This squad is capable of top 4 with a couple of shrewd signings. That's my opinion. I'm sure RM and Baza will go for more doom and gloom, but I see us doing much better.

It might be blind optimism, but I reserve the right to have that optimism. ;)
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not at all soccty your quite entitled to your opinion...hope it is top 4 but cant see it happening.This doesnt mean theres no pressure on brendan to get top 4 ,of course there is as there is n should be any liverpool manager.
looking at it though it apears the team is well short of requirements and imo fsg have deliberatly lowered expectation to tie in with lack of investment now and also it remains to be seen if brendan will be way out his depth or not which once the season is underway he may well be.
It is rather sad to see lfc in this spiral downwards and of course supporting the manager is needed and he will get that im sure from everyone but there is an air of inevitibility that brendan is just a shot in the dark with no real thought given to the possibility it may not work out with him.Yes kenny was sacked for no top 4..or 3 as it transpired...but he was given big funds to reinvest and make a difference.The difference with brendan is he wont have those funds and if he doesnt get top 4 i cant see him being sacked..not unless he is a calamity.
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not at all soccty your quite entitled to your opinion...hope it is top 4 but cant see it happening.This doesnt mean theres no pressure on brendan to get top 4 ,of course there is as there is n should be any liverpool manager.
looking at it though it apears the team is well short of requirements and imo fsg have deliberatly lowered expectation to tie in with lack of investment now and also it remains to be seen if brendan will be way out his depth or not which once the season is underway he may well be.
It is rather sad to see lfc in this spiral downwards and of course supporting the manager is needed and he will get that im sure from everyone but there is an air of inevitibility that brendan is just a shot in the dark with no real thought given to the possibility it may not work out with him.Yes kenny was sacked for no top 4..or 3 as it transpired...but he was given big funds to reinvest and make a difference.The difference with brendan is he wont have those funds and if he doesnt get top 4 i cant see him being sacked..not unless he is a calamity.

I don't think FSG have lowered expectation. Ayre said before BR was appointed that the new manager will have goals set, and if he fails to meet them then we'd look to make a change. They were wise enough not to specify the goals this time, but it seems obvious to me what they are - top 4.

Kenny generated the bulk of the funds he got by selling players - BR will have the option of doing the same.
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red machine,Jun 20 2012
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not at all soccty your quite entitled to your opinion...hope it is top 4 but cant see it happening.This doesnt mean theres no pressure on brendan to get top 4 ,of course there is as there is n should be any liverpool manager.
looking at it though it apears the team is well short of requirements and imo fsg have deliberatly lowered expectation to tie in with lack of investment now and also it remains to be seen if brendan will be way out his depth or not which once the season is underway he may well be.
It is rather sad to see lfc in this spiral downwards and of course supporting the manager is needed and he will get that im sure from everyone but there is an air of inevitibility that brendan is just a shot in the dark with no real thought given to the possibility it may not work out with him.Yes kenny was sacked for no top 4..or 3 as it transpired...but he was given big funds to reinvest and make a difference.The difference with brendan is he wont have those funds and if he doesnt get top 4 i cant see him being sacked..not unless he is a calamity.

If they are deliberately lowering expectations, why did they sack the manager for a poor league season?
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Imo kenny was sacked for wasting the oportunity he had with the funds from the player sales..as was comoli....That oportunity was a gift horse..50m for an out of form torres plus off loading deadwood represented a clean slate and instead of stepping back to asses things dalglish and comoli jumped straight in on signings that were just realy over hyped recomendations by people with ulterior motives.
Had kenny bought better hed still be here for sure and the team would have made top 4.Kenny insisted it was all progress ..breaking unwanted records along the way,saying forget the league etc...to a point were it became a farce...thats why he was sacked.
Apointing brendan is a big gamble...if it goes well it is a masterstroke ..but the noises fsg make along side his apointment suggest it is more of a backward step than we are yet to see.
Theres no easy route for brendan...hes chose to step up from swansea and can't expect slack because of that.he has to succeed.
what is in his favour though is the way fsg apear to be changing tune saying things like no miracles etc...lack of investment from them too means brendan has 3 years at least to get it together...not saying thats right that he has but imo he will be afforded that time regardless.I just hope that if it is realy bad during the first season or two that fans are not fooled in to sympathy for brendan as it will be playing into the hands of fsg if he is.Brendan can raise funds from sales but not as much as kenny did and with downing carrol henderson there would be huge losses if he sells them.
but hopefuly brendan will be a big success.
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Imo kenny was sacked for wasting the oportunity he had with the funds from the player sales..as was comoli....That oportunity was a gift horse..50m for an out of form torres plus off loading deadwood represented a clean slate and instead of stepping back to asses things dalglish and comoli jumped straight in on signings that were just realy over hyped recomendations by people with ulterior motives.
Had kenny bought better hed still be here for sure and the team would have made top 4.Kenny insisted it was all progress ..breaking unwanted records along the way,saying forget the league etc...to a point were it became a farce...thats why he was sacked.
Apointing brendan is a big gamble...if it goes well it is a masterstroke ..but the noises fsg make along side his apointment suggest it is more of a backward step than we are yet to see.
Theres no easy route for brendan...hes chose to step up from swansea and can't expect slack because of that.he has to succeed.
what is in his favour though is the way fsg apear to be changing tune saying things like no miracles etc...lack of investment from them too means brendan has 3 years at least to get it together...not saying thats right that he has but imo he will be afforded that time regardless.I just hope that if it is realy bad during the first season or two that fans are not fooled in to sympathy for brendan as it will be playing into the hands of fsg if he is.Brendan can raise funds from sales but not as much as kenny did and with downing carrol henderson there would be huge losses if he sells them.
but hopefuly brendan will be a big success.

right RM

in your eyes exactly how much needs to be spent

what players would you get rid of

what players would you bring in

which system would you play and tactics would you use

your the New boss enlighten us
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Imo kenny was sacked for wasting the oportunity he had with the funds from the player sales..as was comoli....That oportunity was  a gift horse..50m for an out of form torres plus off loading  deadwood represented a clean slate and instead of stepping back to asses things  dalglish and comoli jumped straight in  on signings that were just realy over hyped recomendations by  people with ulterior motives.
Had kenny bought better hed still be here for sure and the team would have made top 4.Kenny insisted it was all progress ..breaking unwanted records along the way,saying forget the league etc...to a point were it became a farce...thats why he was sacked.
Apointing brendan is a big gamble...if it goes well it is a masterstroke ..but the  noises fsg make along side his apointment suggest it is more of a backward step than we are yet to see.
Theres no easy route for brendan...hes chose to step up from swansea and can't expect slack because of that.he has to succeed.
what is in his favour though is the way fsg apear to be changing tune saying things like  no miracles etc...lack of investment from them too means brendan has 3 years at least to get it together...not saying thats right  that he has but imo he will be afforded that time regardless.I just hope that if it is realy bad during the first season or two that fans are not fooled in to sympathy for brendan  as it will be playing into the hands of fsg if he is.Brendan can raise funds from sales but not as much as kenny did and with downing carrol henderson there would be huge losses if he sells them.
but hopefuly  brendan will be a big success.

hmm - Torres decided at the 12th hour he wanted off. Hardly a great spot to leave the club in, now was it? Liverpool then signed the most promising centre forward in Britain, and I reckon most footy punters saw it as a good bit of business. I certainly did.

The last 2-3 months have shown a bit of return on what Andy Carroll will offer Liverpool FC. Even you have change your tune RM as I recently read you only condemning just 3 of the 4 you used to berate. Carroll's been playing well, and none can deny it. If he kept up his form for several years, then a player you could design an attack around with perhaps another Suarez type player, speedy flankers etc.

The original point being Torres left Liverpool in the lurch, and without a recognized attacker. Dalglish' response was swift and, at the time, most of Britain thought he'd made a coup. We paid well to much for Carroll, but few fail to note that we received well too much for an out of form Torres. It all ironed out. Carroll's looking better all the time. I wouldn't sell him as many fans on here have already indicated they would do.
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I wonder what Paddy thinks about his fellow countrymen?

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RedSilver,Jun 21 2012
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I wonder what Paddy thinks about his fellow countrymen?




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red machine,Jun 20 2012
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Imo kenny was sacked for wasting the oportunity he had with the funds from the player sales..as was comoli....That oportunity was  a gift horse..50m for an out of form torres plus off loading  deadwood represented a clean slate and instead of stepping back to asses things  dalglish and comoli jumped straight in  on signings that were just realy over hyped recomendations by  people with ulterior motives.
Had kenny bought better hed still be here for sure and the team would have made top 4.Kenny insisted it was all progress ..breaking unwanted records along the way,saying forget the league etc...to a point were it became a farce...thats why he was sacked.
Apointing brendan is a big gamble...if it goes well it is a masterstroke ..but the  noises fsg make along side his apointment suggest it is more of a backward step than we are yet to see.
Theres no easy route for brendan...hes chose to step up from swansea and can't expect slack because of that.he has to succeed.
what is in his favour though is the way fsg apear to be changing tune saying things like   no miracles etc...lack of investment from them too means brendan has 3 years at least to get it together...not saying thats right  that he has but imo he will be afforded that time regardless.I just hope that if it is realy bad during the first season or two that fans are not fooled in to sympathy for brendan  as it will be playing into the hands of fsg if he is.Brendan can raise funds from sales but not as much as kenny did and with downing carrol henderson there would be huge losses if he sells them.
but hopefuly  brendan will be a big success.

hmm - Torres decided at the 12th hour he wanted off. Hardly a great spot to leave the club in, now was it? Liverpool then signed the most promising centre forward in Britain, and I reckon most footy punters saw it as a good bit of business. I certainly did.

The last 2-3 months have shown a bit of return on what Andy Carroll will offer Liverpool FC. Even you have change your tune RM as I recently read you only condemning just 3 of the 4 you used to berate. Carroll's been playing well, and none can deny it. If he kept up his form for several years, then a player you could design an attack around with perhaps another Suarez type player, speedy flankers etc.

The original point being Torres left Liverpool in the lurch, and without a recognized attacker. Dalglish' response was swift and, at the time, most of Britain thought he'd made a coup. We paid well to much for Carroll, but few fail to note that we received well too much for an out of form Torres. It all ironed out. Carroll's looking better all the time. I wouldn't sell him as many fans on here have already indicated they would do.

Torres leaving us was a massive issue and we recieved more than we should have i agree with, but for us to have bought Carroll for £35 mill in my opinion was a massive waste of money and if he took even a third of his chances, the king would probably be still in a job, he was a massive risk considering he had only played well for 4 - 5 months of the premiership season.

When i heard we were in for Carroll i thought please lord not him definately the wrong decision but then we signed him. Tried to give him a year at least a year to form an opinion but after a few months new he was not the right type of striker to buy. Carroll i agree has played better for the last 3 - 4 months of the season but he was totally the wrong striker to buy, to get the best out of him you need a quick out and out goalscorer to play with him who is always playing on the last defender, same with Suarez he needs a goalpoacher to play alongside him. Im hoping he has a good euros and someone comes in with a good enough offer to prise him away.
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Just out of curiosity, anyone know how many matches we lost with both Carroll and Suarez starting the match.
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