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| Are Liverpool A Second Tier Club Now? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 1 2012, 04:19 AM (294 Views) | |
| stevieg4ever | Jul 1 2012, 04:19 AM Post #1 |
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In all honesty, do you consider us a top ranked club at the moment? I personally don't, so the links with Mark Davis (for example) do not surprise me in the slightest. Correspondingly, stories about Skrtel, Agger and Suarez (three of our best players) leaving the club also do not surprise me. I personally think we'll be lucky to keep all three here in time for the new season. We're a second rate club now, its as simple as that. Top players do not want to come here because, simply put, we are not a top team that is competing at the highest level. Our best players over the years have all left and gone on to more successful pastures. Including the up-coming campaign, we wouldn't of seen Champions League football now for three successive seasons. We haven't led a title challenge since 2008-09 and have accumulated one trophy in six years and, in this time, numerous other clubs have over taken us. One trophy in six years No champions league football for 3 years 4 managers in 3 years Everton finishing above us The ownership of the club and the what has happened at boardroom level and off the field With the ownership issues, along with the Suarez affair, we created our own media circus has plundered the club into previously unchartered territory. We need massive investment off the field, especially regarding the stadium. Under the last four successive managers we have seen literally millions of pounds squandered on appalling, sub-standard footballers who have basically pillaged this club for what its worth. We have had to negotiate £13-15m alone in settling two of the last three managers' contracts. I sit here writing this now with Spurs, Chelsea and Manchester City all better teams than our own. When I was growing up these teams were among the laughing stock of English football: Tottenham were so poor that their own supporters would laugh at them; Manchester City were no better, i remember us beating them twice in four days with an aggregate score of something like 8-0, they even lost to Barnet (now league 2) in the then coca-cola cup 0-1 and went on to become famous for the worst own goal in living memory (Jamie Pollock) and being relegated in successive seasons. In fact, the only successes they had were that Oasis were their fans. How has this happened I ask and what does the future hold for Liverpool FC? |
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| Deleted User | Jul 1 2012, 08:19 AM Post #2 |
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The LAST straw that broke the camel's back was loaded by KK. He was given a massive amount of money to start the rebuilding of this, once great club and he WASTED it.Insted of buying four top class players in key positions( for around 25 mil each) he bought four average ones that eventually lead to him being sacked..Now we have a new manager. Young and ambitious. Will he get any money to bring the players he wants is yet to be seen. There is plenty of time till the window closes but if we want to be ready for the begining of the season shouldnt we have our signings as early as posible??? |
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| red machine | Jul 1 2012, 09:19 AM Post #3 |
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Was going to say exactly the same Ivan but you have put it most succinctly yourself. Kenny went a long way to destroying lfc with his madcap bizzare purchases. Fsg had hoped ,I'm sure,that such an outlay of reinvestment would be more than enough to get back in the top bracket.They trusted kennys judgement and it was fair to expect top quality be brought in.Kenny lied and said he had bought top quality when it was very clear he hadn't and he continued to lie about their quality throughout last season.Lfc are were they are because of his mismanagement. Now,fsg having being badly burned by such incompetence from kenny ,have set on a new route...a route that will not let them be taken for mugs again in such a manner and that is fair enough but in doing so it also means they are extremely reluctant to invest for fear of losing more money. Envisage if quality had of been bought by kenny,lfc hit the top 3 or 4,hes still the manager,lfc purring again ready to test the top 3....instead we have just talk to go on from the club about how big it is etc.No doubt there will be a few players coming out with bullhsit about challenging the top 4 this year and how it will be different this time. Lfc are in the mediocre bracket firmly now.For now the history of the club can be traded on but that will soon wear very thin. 6 or 7 players need t be sold..banished from the club and new quality addittions brought in.However this seems very unlikely to happen and more players like davies will be added and eventualy every position holds a player of such mediocrity. As this unfolds,at some point lfc fans have to wake up and kick the americans out of lfc.Not just yet as they still have time...but not much of it and imo it will be very evident were they are going with lfc after January.Brendan needs and will get the time but the big picture will soon be clearer about fsg. |
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| Danny | Jul 1 2012, 09:35 AM Post #4 |
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I think this season will define exactly where we are heading and what the immediate future has in store for us. It's to early to say or talk about new players because at the moment everything is speculation, i'm just hoping Rodgers has a few suprises for us but i'm not counting on it. |
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| bazaDred | Jul 1 2012, 10:11 AM Post #5 |
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YES and have been for a few years now . |
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| Snigger | Jul 1 2012, 01:23 PM Post #6 |
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"The LAST straw that broke the camel's back was loaded by KK. He was given a massive amount of money to start the rebuilding of this, once great club and he WASTED it" I say steady on Ivan . . . . . . .To be fair to Kenny his purchases in his second term at LFC amounted to some £116 mill., his sales to some £79 mill making for a total spend of around £37 mill. hardly a massive amount of money relatively speaking. As for wasting the money - while the jury is still out on Hendo and Carroll - Luis is worth what some £40-50 mill now? Coates is a very good investment. Enrique had a decent season and is worth at least what we paid for him. Liverpool's real problem - a problem which in essence has prompted the question - is the result of 22 years of gradual decline particularly in terms of us having become a money-also-ran. One, now possibly two horrendous selling decisions have cost us dearly having been sold to Americans. People who in the main knowing nothing about football appear to basically want to buy the Liverpool "global brand" while investing as little as possible in order to maximise returns. Of course over that time span mentioned above we have also gradually developed into a club that cannot hold on to its best players; McManaman, Owen, Fowler, Anelka, Torres, Arbeloa, Alonso, Raul - almost losing Gerrard in the same process. While we also lose out to the other big clubs in regard to transfer targets - Gareth Barry representing the most publicly embarrassing example to date. The latest possible "sale problem" comes courtesy of the "suits" whose sole mandate seemed to be to minimise any loss to our creditors - banks working for the banks. QIA were looking to invest in a club but we were sold to yet more Americans in the form of FSG - whom so far it has to be said, have produced very little in assuaging fears that some of us have in regard to representing a better prospect than the other cowboys who had control of our club. To truly compete and win the title again - we need massive investment - as proved by Man City. Anything else is just continual hot air and debate and 22 years of that has not prevented us slipping to a "second tier" club. The fear for some of us now - is are we about to become a "third tier" club? Over to you FSG . . . . . . |
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THE ABOVE CONTRIBUTION IS SIMPLY AN OPINION. I AM NOT LOOKING TO BITTERLY ARGUE OR FALL OUT BUT RATHER MATURELY DEBATE MATTERS SHOULD IT DIFFER FROM YOURS FOOD IS HABIT FORMING !!! | |
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| KevHoppy | Jul 1 2012, 04:39 PM Post #7 |
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Very well said Snig, great post as usual. |
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| red machine | Jul 1 2012, 09:27 PM Post #8 |
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net spend argument you raise in kennys defence snigger.....yes that reflects on misers fsg more than anything BUT the truth is kennys decision making and evaluation in buying the 4 of henderson adam downing carrol was abysmal.suarez was coming anyway....enrique was initialy good but went right off the boil.... coates may be on his way out if rumour is true. |
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| rip96 | Jul 2 2012, 02:52 PM Post #9 |
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How can a 2nd tere team,be the team everyone wishes to emulate |
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| Luis_the_legend | Jul 2 2012, 06:59 PM Post #10 |
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yes..we are a midtable team at the moment. still a big club...but its a new beggining with a new man in it for the long term. and thats fsg's man which is the most important thing. it was always going to be a struggle to realise how the previous yanks destroyed an established top 4 team that was not far away from challenging consistently...however...we lacked investment at a time in our history when we needed it the most. i am excited what fsg have done, ok..they take their time...and boy do they take their time..but thats what we need. measured, analysis..let our owners learn about football first, learn the club, the competition. what can we do to get back up there. what we have to do first if market the club in the right way..face it or not..we have beeen way too slow to change...and to align ourselves not just a football club..but a brand....to reach out to all corners of the world...fsg are going to do that because they did it with red sox. for that to be maximising in potential..you need a great team. ok..adam and downing, they were never going to be lfc top top quality players..they were potential matchwinners at clubs who were finishing in the wrong end of the table for years. but what we have done is sign players with potential, not the finished article, that can stay here for years, and we can reap the best of their careers...we signed to many finished articles on high wages all too often...i want to see carroll and henderson spend the rest of their careers at lfc and becoming stars for us...it didnt happen first time round but it hardly was a shock to be honest. the players that were already in the squad didnt perform..all had bad season and we were unlucky in some parts. but what we have now is a set up thats all going the right way, thats in line with a club wanting to go forward and going forward quick..im bloody exciting how rodgers is going to work with young players in the squad. flanno,robbo,sterling,coates,kelly,suso,morgan,carroll,shelvey,hendo....just to name these guys...they are full of talent and i felt under kenny....he never had the innovative ideas to take them to the next level. it makes more sense now....to me anyway...... and its a clean slate for every player...hence why rodgers has not gone out and got his players already probably....yes...i do think what the hell is going on at lfc..but dont we all! |
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| Snigger | Jul 5 2012, 08:22 AM Post #11 |
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Is the loss of Siggy to Spurs a further indicator of our position? Despite the speculation concerning wage demands the only thing we know for sure, at this point, is that we have faced another public snub from a player in favour of another team - and not even a "top" team. More reason for scepticism concerning FSG and their ability or willingness to invest in the club??? Some could be forgiven for thinking so. |
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THE ABOVE CONTRIBUTION IS SIMPLY AN OPINION. I AM NOT LOOKING TO BITTERLY ARGUE OR FALL OUT BUT RATHER MATURELY DEBATE MATTERS SHOULD IT DIFFER FROM YOURS FOOD IS HABIT FORMING !!! | |
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