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Sackable Offence For That Defence
Topic Started: Sep 13 2017, 09:02 PM (1,547 Views)
bazaDred

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If woy or brodge went into this season with that defence after having all summer to sort it would it be fair to say there job would be under pressure ????? i think its safe to say it most certainly would be .anyone who says differant is one of the deluded no doubt ( i could name them all ) :lol: :lol: :lol:
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bazaDred,Sep 13 2017
09:02 PM
If woy or brodge went into this season with that defence after having all summer to sort it would it be fair to say there job would be under pressure ????? i think its safe to say it most certainly would be .anyone who says differant is one of the deluded no doubt ( i could name them all ) :lol: :lol: :lol:

I would say at 99% of fans have known this for years but NOTHING has changed.

And a defensive midfielder like Matic would help as Hendo is a non-entity. Put Can there instead.
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To be honest...Burnley game - I don't really care.
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bazaDred

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RedJock,Sep 13 2017
09:05 PM
I would say at 99% of fans have known this for years but NOTHING has changed.

And a defensive midfielder like Matic would help as Hendo is a non-entity. Put Can there instead.

i agree on henderson but Can is too slow to cover the back four so there is no real cover in midfield for the defence and that isnt helping .
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If this continues and we don't make it into the knockout stages, from a seemingly easy group...I can see Klopp being on his bike.

It's just not good enough !
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RedJock,Sep 13 2017
09:14 PM
If this continues and we don't make it into the knockout stages, from a seemingly easy group...I can see Klopp being on his bike.

It's just not good enough !

Jesus RedJock are you a real person
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bazaDred

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RedJock,Sep 13 2017
09:14 PM
If this continues and we don't make it into the knockout stages, from a seemingly easy group...I can see Klopp being on his bike.

It's just not good enough !

well he has to take a share of the blame too its his side after all .
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bazaDred

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Rome 77,Sep 13 2017
09:16 PM
RedJock,Sep 13 2017
09:14 PM
If this continues and we don't make it into the knockout stages, from a seemingly easy group...I can see Klopp being on his bike.

It's just not good enough !

Jesus RedJock are you a real person

yes ok Rome were going to win the league ,now be a good boy and go play subuteo with yer jester hat on :D
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Rome 77,Sep 13 2017
09:16 PM
RedJock,Sep 13 2017
09:14 PM
If this continues and we don't make it into the knockout stages, from a seemingly easy group...I can see Klopp being on his bike.

It's just not good enough !

Jesus RedJock are you a real person

I'm real. My problem is that I care TOO MUCH about this club.

And I don't like what I'm seeing.

Are you happy with our defence and the fact Klopp hasn't addressed the problem despite having all summer to do it.
What's happened to Solanke who was scoring goals in pre-season and Robertson who got MOTM last time out ?
He put's on Sturridge who has the speed of a snail and Moreno, who did play well in the first half, but is still shit LB.
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RedJock,Sep 13 2017
09:14 PM
If this continues and we don't make it into the knockout stages, from a seemingly easy group...I can see Klopp being on his bike.

It's just not good enough !

Groundhog Day! "That fuggin' grinning chippie bombing Kraut won't win Nowt! He can go the way of the fat fuggin' Spanish Waiter!"

Hmm who'll be the next whippin' boy in the hot seat? :evil:
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" GK and defense need sorting out " Same story line since 2012

Klopp has done nothing the two years he's on the job to improve it

Now , the man did guide the team to two cup finals in his first season ( albeit both losses ) and a 4 th place finish in his second year but the statwment above still stands and he has to receive his due criticism for that.
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bazaDred

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Snigger,Sep 13 2017
09:22 PM
RedJock,Sep 13 2017
09:14 PM
If this continues and we don't make it into the knockout stages, from a seemingly easy group...I can see Klopp being on his bike.

It's just not good enough !

Groundhog Day! "That fuggin' grinning chippie bombing Kraut won't win Nowt! He can go the way of the fat fuggin' Spanish Waiter!"

Hmm who'll be the next whippin' boy in the hot seat? :evil:

fat sams free at least he can sort a defence out :D
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bazaDred,Sep 13 2017
09:25 PM
Snigger,Sep 13 2017
09:22 PM
RedJock,Sep 13 2017
09:14 PM
If this continues and we don't make it into the knockout stages, from a seemingly easy group...I can see Klopp being on his bike.

It's just not good enough !

Groundhog Day! "That fuggin' grinning chippie bombing Kraut won't win Nowt! He can go the way of the fat fuggin' Spanish Waiter!"

Hmm who'll be the next whippin' boy in the hot seat? :evil:

fat sams free at least he can sort a defence out :D

Even Rafa has a better defence at Newcastle.
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How many more times are the same questions asked about the defence, fed up of writing about it and seeing it. Defending doesn't start and end with the back four, I've maintained for god knows how long about the defensive quality's of our midfield, if truth be known they haven't got any quality's, Henderson as a player has always puzzled me because I don't know where he should play, if I picked the team he wouldn't be in it. Midfield offer no protection, opposing teams run through it at will, we don't have anyone who i'd class as a defensive midfielder, players like Matic would have been perfect for us as would kante and its high time Kloop did something about, for him to say he's happy with our defence is just bullshit from him, he's knows different. Klopp is failing us in not addressing this problem so his excuses wear very thin. LFC this season is one that we must build on to enable us to continue to a top four finish and continued CL football, Klopp needs to get his fingers out
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7 games, 13 goals conceded.

Lovren at fault for about half of them, given a pay rise and a 4 year extended contract.

So

Is his management agency connected in some way to FSG?

Or

Is Lovren a part of a betting syndicate that bets that his mistake will lead to the first goal against us every game?
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Sonny Jim,Sep 14 2017
09:41 AM
7 games, 13 goals conceded.

Lovren at fault for about half of them, given a pay rise and a 4 year extended contract.

So

Is his management agency connected in some way to FSG?

Or

Is Lovren a part of a betting syndicate that bets that his mistake will lead to the first goal against us every game?

Add to that , the fact Matip wanders around at one pace , not even bothering to look where the opposition forwards are, just ball watching all the time and failing to win headers properly .

Klavan is no more than a Championship standard CB , and that's us done for CBs.

Anybody see where our main problems lie ?
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Sonny Jim,Sep 14 2017
09:41 AM
7 games, 13 goals conceded.

Lovren at fault for about half of them, given a pay rise and a 4 year extended contract.

So

Is his management agency connected in some way to FSG?

Or

Is Lovren a part of a betting syndicate that bets that his mistake will lead to the first goal against us every game?

Where you been hiding mate??? Great to have you here... :D

The old warriors Rafa and Roger are at it again... sweeping up all the GrandSlams between them.


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Rushiestache,Sep 14 2017
01:17 PM
Sonny Jim,Sep 14 2017
09:41 AM
7 games, 13 goals conceded.

Lovren at fault for about half of them, given a pay rise and a 4 year extended contract.

So

Is his management agency connected in some way to FSG?

Or

Is Lovren a part of a betting syndicate that bets that his mistake will lead to the first goal against us every game?

Where you been hiding mate??? Great to have you here... :D

The old warriors Rafa and Roger are at it again... sweeping up all the GrandSlams between them.

Hola Mate, very busy atm but good to hear from you RT :thumbsup:

Yeah being watching the tennis avidly, Rafa destroyed Del Potro that was the final - just incredible tennis.
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DickWhiteog,Sep 14 2017
01:10 PM
Sonny Jim,Sep 14 2017
09:41 AM
7 games, 13 goals conceded.

Lovren at fault for about half of them, given a pay rise and a 4 year extended contract.

So

Is his management agency connected in some way to FSG?

Or

Is Lovren a part of a betting syndicate that bets that his mistake will lead to the first goal against us every game?

Add to that , the fact Matip wanders around at one pace , not even bothering to look where the opposition forwards are, just ball watching all the time and failing to win headers properly .

Klavan is no more than a Championship standard CB , and that's us done for CBs.

Anybody see where our main problems lie ?

Lovren is also championship standard - he is the worst regular CB for us I can recall.

I remember him for Croatia giving a soft penalty away vs Argentina in the 2014 World Cup and thought that isn't very good.

Sadly, Dobbin isn't going to improve and until he's not a 1st teamer and I don't think any of us need to think seriously about winning trophies.

What an unmitigated disaster. £20m flushed down the bog.

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it is clear the team is setting up as klop tells them to. against man city with 10 players there was no tackles from defence or midfield...standing back watching...highlighted on motd that evening.

good managers would have stayed doggedly defensive down to 10 after losing an attacker.

I do not want klop out but I now conclude he is not a good manager for lfc...he is just a manager living on his 2 year good stint at dortmond now.
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bazaDred

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so how many points has that defence cost us now along with a trophy run in one of the cups too by the looks of things (will klopp need another 4 windows to sort it out ) ?????
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As many have said, its the lack of defending from midfield thats as big an issue. How poor a performance from Henderson and Winjaldum was that tonight? Grujic I wont include as he was new to the set up.
Henderson is just a very poor player. Has done little throughout his lfc career but for our Suarez led 2nd place. The rest has been mostly awful.
I watched him closely for a while tonight and found myself screaming at him to stop taking the easy sideways and backward pass. Terrible in his current role. Offers nothing totheteam, and should not bebe our captain.
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bazaDred

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the antler,Sep 19 2017
09:10 PM
As many have said, its the lack of defending from midfield thats as big an issue. How poor a performance from Henderson and Winjaldum was that tonight? Grujic I wont include as he was new to the set up.
Henderson is just a very poor player. Has done little throughout his lfc career but for our Suarez led 2nd place. The rest has been mostly awful.
I watched him closely for a while tonight and found myself screaming at him to stop taking the easy sideways and backward pass. Terrible in his current role. Offers nothing totheteam, and should not bebe our captain.

we havent got a captain in the squad mate there lies the problem ( a team full of of fannies ) :angry:
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bazaDred,Sep 19 2017
09:14 PM
the antler,Sep 19 2017
09:10 PM
As many have said, its the lack of defending from midfield thats as big an issue. How poor a performance from Henderson and Winjaldum was that tonight? Grujic I wont include as he was new to the set up.
Henderson is just a very poor player. Has done little throughout his lfc career but for our Suarez led 2nd place. The rest has been mostly awful.
I watched him closely for a while tonight and found myself screaming at him to stop taking the easy sideways and backward pass. Terrible in his current role. Offers nothing totheteam, and should not bebe our captain.

we havent got a captain in the squad mate there lies the problem ( a team full of of fannies ) :angry:

It's a big part of the problem in my opinion. They can't all be that shit. No one is organising things. Our younger players have no one to look up to for guidance or to calm them.
It's pathetic to watch it week in week out.
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