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Sackable Offence For That Defence
Topic Started: Sep 13 2017, 09:02 PM (1,549 Views)
Camelot

Elite Reds
Camelot
Oct 9 2017, 03:08 PM
bazaDred
Oct 1 2017, 08:35 PM
mycroft,Oct 1 2017
08:19 PM
wanabscouser,Oct 1 2017
07:48 PM
Aussiepool,Oct 1 2017
07:21 PM
Can't understand for the life of me how plenty of millions of pounds are spent on midfielders the last few years , take your choice from Lallana, Wijnaldum, Chamberlain, Firmino too was a Attacking mid at Hoffenheim and wingers like Mane, Salah, strikers like Benteke, Balotelli etc but when it comes to defenders and keepers , we'll forget about it.  On the cheap or freebies. 


Last 5 years this team conceded goals for fun in the PL , onthe counter, from set pieces, unforced errors etc.  you name it as the bumbling and stumbling keeper and back 4 are very creative on how to concede cheap goals.

Matip was a freebie
Klavan , Gomez, cost almost nothing
Clyne and Moreno , Robertson all were modest fees and wages
Only big buy was the horrible, Lovren. 
Mognolet cost £ 9 mil 5 years ago and he's still the bloody starter.  They bought £ 4 million , Karius to challenge him.  


This is not how rival teams go about their business.

I tell people all the time and I will continue to say it, it's not all about the players, it's mostly about the way they are coached. In my opinion, individually, Lovren and Matip are no worse than Luiz and Cahill but even if they are, what you lack in talent you must make up for it with schemes.

I knew Klopp didn't have a clue about coaching a defense when he played Milner at left back all of last season. He hasn't a clue defensively.

How do you work that one out? Most supporters were in agreement last season that Milner did an excellent job at left back compared to the natural left back, Alberto Moreno?

OK so tell me why is Moreno back then if thats the case ????
Because he has finally matured and is calling and executing better defensive plays than before?
I don't see much waxing lyrical about Moreno. What I see is that a lot of critics are conceding that he has improved a lot this season. Nobody is ruling out future failure, but giving the lad some credit is a time-honoured, respectful way of acknowledging his improvement. Think of it as laying aside your biases, your agenda, etc. Try harder.
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John_Boy

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When your benchmark is Lovren et al.... Go have a field day.
The ring master says the circus show must go on! 🎪
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bazaDred

Die-hard Reds
got a feeling its another three points gone thanks to klopps defence
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bazaDred

Die-hard Reds
Carra says it all - Problem under Rodgers was conceding goals. 4 out of the back 5 still Rodgers signings two years on that can’t be right.
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parks

Die-hard Reds
They just said, four of the defenders including keeper were bought under rodgers reign. Weren’t good enough then and are not good enough now. Thick footballers without a football brain. They’re not good enough or smart enough to learn.

Why didn’t klopp replace them in the summer ? Maybe the money wasn’t there but he should’ve prioritised.
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bazaDred

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parks
Oct 22 2017, 04:03 PM
They just said, four of the defenders including keeper were bought under rodgers reign. Weren’t good enough then and are not good enough now. Thick footballers without a football brain. They’re not good enough or smart enough to learn.

Why didn’t klopp replace them in the summer ? Maybe the money wasn’t there but he should’ve prioritised.
There is a good chance it will cost him his job eventually but we go again eh :thumbsdown:
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parks

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bazaDred
Oct 22 2017, 04:08 PM
parks
Oct 22 2017, 04:03 PM
They just said, four of the defenders including keeper were bought under rodgers reign. Weren’t good enough then and are not good enough now. Thick footballers without a football brain. They’re not good enough or smart enough to learn.

Why didn’t klopp replace them in the summer ? Maybe the money wasn’t there but he should’ve prioritised.
There is a good chance it will cost him his job eventually but we go again eh :thumbsdown:
If he doesn’t strengthen that defence in the next window we carry on conceding easy goals. Then he’ll deserve to be sacked.
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RedJock
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parks
Oct 22 2017, 04:22 PM
bazaDred
Oct 22 2017, 04:08 PM
parks
Oct 22 2017, 04:03 PM
They just said, four of the defenders including keeper were bought under rodgers reign. Weren’t good enough then and are not good enough now. Thick footballers without a football brain. They’re not good enough or smart enough to learn.

Why didn’t klopp replace them in the summer ? Maybe the money wasn’t there but he should’ve prioritised.
There is a good chance it will cost him his job eventually but we go again eh :thumbsdown:
If he doesn’t strengthen that defence in the next window we carry on conceding easy goals. Then he’ll deserve to be sacked.
Is it just me or can someone explain wtf do they do in training every week ?.

I've said before and I'll day it again. The art of defending is not rocket science and surely somebody who has won the bundesliga twice know's how to arrange and organise a defence.

If he doesn' he shouldn't be a coach.
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bazaDred

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parks
Oct 22 2017, 04:22 PM
bazaDred
Oct 22 2017, 04:08 PM
parks
Oct 22 2017, 04:03 PM
They just said, four of the defenders including keeper were bought under rodgers reign. Weren’t good enough then and are not good enough now. Thick footballers without a football brain. They’re not good enough or smart enough to learn.

Why didn’t klopp replace them in the summer ? Maybe the money wasn’t there but he should’ve prioritised.
There is a good chance it will cost him his job eventually but we go again eh :thumbsdown:
If he doesn’t strengthen that defence in the next window we carry on conceding easy goals. Then he’ll deserve to be sacked.
IF he had the money to buy then i would say he already deserves the sack for not sorting the defence out, he has had long enough and is still playing rodgers defence matip apart .
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RedJock
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And the fact we actually have a decent keeper at Liverpool but he doesn't get a game...Danny Ward, makes it even worse.
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bazaDred

Die-hard Reds
its ok lads he can write a book on defending :no:
Edited by bazaDred, Oct 22 2017, 04:52 PM.
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No clue- two years and counting.
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DickWhiteog
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Our defence is a "Criminal offence" and has been for a long time .

Quite a few of us pointed out that without a top gk a commanding Cb and a Dm coming in that we would struggle in the big games.

Todays game made that point totally. Everybody can see it apart from our manager and his coaches.

Yet again the mistakes are predictable . CBs who were too scared to tight mark HK and as such gave him the freedom of the park.

Yet another F*ck up of a timid header to his own box edge centrally by Matip, the latest in a long line of these and again predictable.

For the corner for the 4th goal I said look at Vertonghan unmarked at the far post , if the ball reaches him it will be a goal . FFS I could see it but
our braindead players could not and Hendo was watching him.

Poor GKeepers, even poorer CBs , and JK does not trust Klavan.

No Dm leaves us wide open for top teams to exploit. Its basic simple football sense which we are lacking in .

Our manager needs to have a drastic re think and a full change of coaches because they are crap.

Its time to ditch our Gk and Cbs and try and rebuild anew . Maybe Ward in goal and Gomez and Grujic at CB , as they cannot be worse than the sh*te we have at present.
Veritas Vos Liberabit - John 8:32
for all those affected by Hillsborough
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Camelot

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Dear Santa,
This Christmas pleas send two new gift-wrapped centre backs for your Anfield faithful. And if funds are available, a new goalkeeper of the quality that we played against today.
Thank you for your generosity,
KopThis supporters
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Rushiestache

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Camelot
Oct 22 2017, 05:19 PM
Dear Santa,
This Christmas pleas send two new gift-wrapped centre backs for your Anfield faithful. And if funds are available, a new goalkeeper of the quality that we played against today.
Thank you for your generosity,
KopThis supporters
Wont the gifts come in January though?? I mean, Santa is a gift giver, but even he can't start the transfer window for us in December?

:P
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DickWhiteog
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Rushiestache
Oct 22 2017, 05:25 PM
Camelot
Oct 22 2017, 05:19 PM
Dear Santa,
This Christmas pleas send two new gift-wrapped centre backs for your Anfield faithful. And if funds are available, a new goalkeeper of the quality that we played against today.
Thank you for your generosity,
KopThis supporters
Wont the gifts come in January though?? I mean, Santa is a gift giver, but even he can't start the transfer window for us in December?

:P
We have a good few Santa s in our defence the amount of gifts they give out.
Veritas Vos Liberabit - John 8:32
for all those affected by Hillsborough
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bazaDred

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AT LAST THE EXCUSES SEEM TO HAVE STOPPED FROM THE DELUDED
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bazaDred
Oct 22 2017, 05:28 PM
AT LAST THE EXCUSES SEEM TO HAVE STOPPED FROM THE DELUDED
All MIA..
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ThePenkethPedant

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RedJock
Oct 22 2017, 04:29 PM
And the fact we actually have a decent keeper at Liverpool but he doesn't get a game...Danny Ward, makes it even worse.
Bogdan is still on our books too....
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Spurs had one of the best defence last season. So , what did they do during the summer- they spent 60 mil on two more defenders.


On the other hand, every dog in Liverpool knew we need a better GK and strengthening of our defence. What we ve done- bought Salah and OX :woot:
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RedJock
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ThePenkethPedant
Oct 22 2017, 06:17 PM
Forgot about him
RedJock
Oct 22 2017, 04:29 PM
And the fact we actually have a decent keeper at Liverpool but he doesn't get a game...Danny Ward, makes it even worse.
Bogdan is still on our books too....
Forgot about him
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RedJock
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ivan57
Oct 22 2017, 06:17 PM
Spurs had one of the best defence last season. So , what did they do during the summer- they spent 60 mil on two more defenders.


On the other hand, every dog in Liverpool knew we need a better GK and strengthening of our defence. What we ve done- bought Salah and OX :woot:
I can forgive him buying Salah but not £35m for Ox.
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ThePenkethPedant

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...not surprised,RJ, wish I could...
Edited by ThePenkethPedant, Oct 22 2017, 06:30 PM.
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parks

Die-hard Reds
I don’t think klopp was backed. Look at the side today.

Mignolet rodgers
Gomez rodgers
Lovren rodgers
Moreno rodgers
Milner rodgers
Can rodgers
Sturridge Rodger
Firmino rodgers
Coutinho rodgers

This is Klopp’s side ? There’s definitely something political going on. Klopp’s has half the money rodgers has had even though incoming money through tv and sponsors has given us a lot more. Purse strings have been pulled in, why ?

We all read pieces from certain journos, ( all connected with lfc ) that Fsg we’re giving klopp a massive war chest - all leaked bull sh*t imo.

seems strange a manger playing 2 seasons later with the bulk of the previous managers players. A team he inherited that were sliding down the table at an alarming rate. I think Fsg told him there won’t be a lot of money and he needs to work with the majority of the players he has. He’s not pulling the signings in imo. Most of our signings were targets of ours under rodgers/ committee.

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parks
Oct 22 2017, 06:32 PM
I don’t think klopp was backed. Look at the side today.

Mignolet rodgers
Gomez rodgers
Lovren rodgers
Moreno rodgers
Milner rodgers
Can rodgers
Sturridge Rodger
Firmino rodgers
Coutinho rodgers

This is Klopp’s side ? There’s definitely something political going on. Klopp’s has half the money rodgers has had even though incoming money through tv and sponsors has given us a lot more. Purse strings have been pulled in, why ?

We all read pieces from certain journos, ( all connected with lfc ) that Fsg we’re giving klopp a massive war chest - all leaked bull sh*t imo.

seems strange a manger playing 2 seasons later with the bulk of the previous managers players. A team he inherited that were sliding down the table at an alarming rate. I think Fsg told him there won’t be a lot of money and he needs to work with the majority of the players he has. He’s not pulling the signings in imo. Most of our signings were targets of ours under rodgers/ committee.

Parks, Klopp has publicly stated there are no excuses. To be fair and be fair we must, there is no way we can imply this is Rodgers team or his shadow is lingering over matters, to imply or state that is to also totally ignore the Transfer Committee's involvement during Rodgers' tenure, also it could then be argued Rodgers got us into the Top 4 last season and if we win anything this season, that is also Rodgers doing.
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