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Final Tribal Council; Angela vs Bella vs Irina
Topic Started: Oct 10 2013, 08:00 PM (7,144 Views)
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Satisfied, Victoria?
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Alright time to post my rambly ass speech, fair warning at how dreadfully annoying and long and rambly and wall of texty it is. I'll wait for Aro's official announcement to post it.
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Yes, thank you ladies.

And Irina I'd never hate you. I think you made the right move, please know that.

Bella and Angela, fantastic answers as well.
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(this speech is really rambly and annoying, I threw it together really last minute, so fair warning there, just read the whole thing and pick out the questions mixed in there and answer them the best you can, don't worry too much about it. also feel free to ask a clarifying question if something is confusing, i didnt proofread this at ALL)

Hey you three. I'm writing this twenty minutes after final tribal has started without even reading openings because I came online later and the old easily distracted Leah came back today and I still haven't even finish reading Fallen Comrades :<3. So this is going to be a little bit haphazard and I probably won't even edit it before posting when the time comes. Because I'll probably still be behind on FTC stuff when my turn comes up :<3. Anyway let me get to my questions.

I think this is a fantastic final three. I remember looking at the final four thinking how any combination of the three of you would be a crazy strong final three. Some of the best players on your home tribes and any of you will make a deserving winner. So I'm happy no matter what happens tonight.

Obviously Angela is in the lead for my vote. Bella, Irina, you know that. Rosalie was the only person with a very strong shot at taking my vote from Angela from me, so its going to be a rough time for you two. But I'm going to do my best to give everyone an equal shot. But being honest Irina and Bella you have ground to make up just because Angie was my closest ally all game long and I adore her.

I'm not going to lie. A lot of my questions are going to be fairly... selfish. Me-centric, just because I know a lot of the others will be covering a lot of the other stuff.

Bella lets start with you. Harassing you premerge was fun, and totally something I only did because I literally chose this character for that purpose, because apparently Leah does a no holds bared verbal beatdown of Bella in the books at some point? I don't know I read it in a criticism of Twilight I read once abut how Leah was the only character to actually tell Bella what a manipulative bitch she was and how Steph Meyer showed some shocking awareness while writing it but then Jacob and the other wolves all tell Leah off and undercut the whole moment. I remember finding that really interesting and so when Aro asked me to play in this I requested Leah straight away. But you were a great Bella! And you made it actually fun by being good to play off. I actually really liked you premerge for that, and you in character performance made me smile a few times!

I think you played a brilliant game for most of the game. I'm sure some of the others will cover the qualms the jury have about your Big Brother stage game pretty fully, I know Seth is going to ask you about the one big mistake everyone feels you made and hopefully you'll be able to answer that well when it gets to him because that will be a big part of you being able to earn my vote.

Because before that event (sorry to leave it mysterious for now, unless someone else has brought it up or you can guess or something) I thought you were playing brilliantly. Victoria came to the jury and mentioned how you were doing the same thing with her and Irina that you were trying with me and Angela. And I can confirm to you right now that it was working with me, I never brought it up to Irina despite being close to her and she never brought it up with me. I think that was a brilliant way to play the list format and also hedge your bets going into the stage after List. So great job there. I gained a lot of respect for your strategic game when I heard about that.

My question coming off that though is had me, Irina, Victoria, and Angela all somehow made the Big Brother stage who were you really planning to work with? Or hadn't you decided yet? What was your real thought behind all that I know it sort of depends on which two players me and Victoria would have been replacing, so go ahead and include that in your speculation. Just give me some idea where your REAL investment was when it came to that. And don't worry about boosting my ego by saying it was me, I want the truth. I just want to see what you were really thinking regarding that situation.

The other question I have was about something Emmett said after he hit the jury. He said that your reasoning for targeting Seth/Charlie over Irina (a move he apparently disagreed with) was that you felt Irina (and Angela) were more "deserving" of staying around. Now see for me the word "deserving" when it comes to ORGs, especially in the late game, is a big pet peeve of mine. I think that late in the game you should be playing more for yourself. So I guess what I'm asking is did you really say that, and if so was it just an excuse or did you mean it or what exactly where you thinking. Some others will be covering the decision to go after Seth/Charlie over Irina more thoroughly, but this is one element I wanted to cover myself since it seemed likely that noone else would even though its come up as a concern for a few jury members including myself.

And lastly because I'm going to ask Irina this too and I think I should probably throw you this bone as well why should I vote for you over Angela.




Irina. I guess my only real question for you is a fairly selfish one but I just want to know how genuine was our bond on your end and how invested in working with me down the road were you?. I love ya, obviously tonight will be a big struggle for you regarding my vote because Angela is in such a huge lead, but any thoughts on why I should vote for you over Angela would help me out as well.

You were great to talk to and a brilliant, strong, no apologies player and I respect the hell out of you. You just kinda are stuck in a bad position being against my number one ally tonight. :cry


Angela I love you. You were my number one ally all game long and that never changed and I never questioned that, almost all our moves until I left were done together and you helped me a lot getting through the Forks stage of the game. I can't really think of a good individual question for you, so I'll just be selfish again and say since you didn't go with the text writeups method for your Fallen Comrades, what would you have said about me had you done so? :lol: And yes I am just using this as a chance to make you say nice things about me :lol: .

ETA: God Angie reading your opening speech made me wish you had been more forceful about prioritizing Irina over Rosalie/Bella. I always had all three high on my lists, but Ros/Bella higher just because maybe it was because Rosalie was better at sweet talking me (thus why Rosalie had a better shot at beating you for my vote than Irina ever did) and Bella quicker on really laying down the strategy longterm, but until the 11th hour I was prioritizing that alliance possibility over Irina. Maybe you don't realize that, did you? Idk thats sort of an unofficial question. I also always wished you had PMed me about putting Bree first on my outcast list first a LITTLE earlier. Had you done I would have done so and Bree would have returned and the game could have totally changed. Who knows how? God I promised I wouldn't edit this speech at all . Dont reply to any of this if you don't want to to save time. I'm just thinking aloud as I read :<3



I swear when I was thinking about my jury speech earlier I had a "question for all three of you" type of question in mind but I forgot it. Maybe if I remember later but if you're reading this then I probably didn't. Anyway good luck to all three of you and I respect you all a ton.

OH WAIT I THOUGHT OF ONE, it wasn't what I was originally going to ask but I like this.

FOR ALL THREE OF YOU, how would the game have changed if I had survived the list format and made the Big Brother format. Make up whatever scenario you need to for this to have happened. I'm just curious. (Bella you can feel free to just combine this with your question about who you were loyal to if you want, or not and make it a separate case where only I make the merge and Victoria is still left behind, whichever you want. Actually thinking of it Irina you could combine questions a bit there too if you want).
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Thank you for the kind words and respect Leah. I was very invested in our connection. I said it in my fallen comrades but you and Bella were the two best new connections I made at the merge, and I really wanted to make it work for us. I'll combine it but had you made the Big Brother phase I would have been really loyal to the alliance with you and Angela and Jasper we were forming, probably up until the double at 6, because I would have seen myself as the 4th wheel in that group and wanted to split it up, or I might have tried to work something out with Bella. I'll just sum it up by saying I wouldn't have had immediate plans to take you out at all, and the earliest I would have tried anything was probably 7 or 6.

As for why you should vote for me over Angela, I know it's difficult with your closest ally up there in the finals, but I think you should vote for the person who's game you respect the most regardless of that. And if you need an actual you and Angela reason, look back to what I told you about how I had no impression of you before we merged. That's because Angela never mentioned you to me at all. She always raved about Jessica and how amazing Jessica was and how Jessica was her closest ally, and never a word about Leah. And she left you in the dark when Mike left and that could have potentially gotten you sent into the Arena next, and at the time not knowing a lot about Forks I think it would have. So I don't think Angela is the super amazing ally you thought she was, enough for you to completely disregard the games the other two of us played. But if you vote for her I'd totally understand and respect that and it won't diminish the really great relationship we had.
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Leah! :wub: A lot of what I would have said to you in fallen comrades was in my answer to Victoria. I was so super close to you, and I always just wanted to be there for you, because I felt like Forks was going to turn on you eventually, but I was never going to turn on you. You were my rock on Forks (along with Jessica as well, you both were). All the talks we had where I would tell you I adore you. Those were all genuine. I lied to certain people, like Rosalie, but when we were talking about going to final 3 with Jasper, I actually really wanted that! I adored you that much. I legitimately felt sad when you left, because I felt like I should have tried harder in that challenge to save you. In a way, I felt like I let you down a little (am I sucking up enough? :ha ) But you know that you are my heart in this game, and that was never changing! I adore you! :<3

As far as the whole Bree debacle goes, I do blame myself for that one :lol: as it got closer to the deadline I was like, wait, why am I not pushing more for Bree to come back in the game? James being back only hurts you and me. I thought you were all just so dead set on James because the thought was that James would come to Forks and help us. And it coming down to just one vote difference makes me feel like a fool for not pushing it sooner :/ I dropped the ball, babe, what else can I say? :lol:
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I AM interested in what you have to say to the final "for everyone" question Angela so don't forget it :cry
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Irina,Oct 11 2013
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As for why you should vote for me over Angela, I know it's difficult with your closest ally up there in the finals, but I think you should vote for the person who's game you respect the most regardless of that. And if you need an actual you and Angela reason, look back to what I told you about how I had no impression of you before we merged. That's because Angela never mentioned you to me at all. She always raved about Jessica and how amazing Jessica was and how Jessica was her closest ally, and never a word about Leah. And she left you in the dark when Mike left and that could have potentially gotten you sent into the Arena next, and at the time not knowing a lot about Forks I think it would have. So I don't think Angela is the super amazing ally you thought she was, enough for you to completely disregard the games the other two of us played. But if you vote for her I'd totally understand and respect that and it won't diminish the really great relationship we had.

Well that was just me keeping my cards close to me. I tried to be open, but not just flat out spill everything about the Forks dynamic to you guys. I mean, where I could not talk to each of you and Rosalie individually, it was hard to tell where your heads were truly at with me. I did not want to say who everyone was that I was close with, because I know that information gets around here, so keeping my relationship with Leah guarded is not because I under valued her, it is because I did not want it getting around to other groups that she and I were close and then end up becoming targets.
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Leah,Oct 11 2013
02:15:05 AM
I AM interested in what you have to say to the final "for everyone" question Angela so don't forget it :cry

Oh! I missed that! I thought it was part of Bella's question :lol:

If you make the Big Brother format. I am curious as to who would have been out in your place. Let's just say for giggles that all our attempts to force Esme out in list worked. Literally nothing changes about our relationship. It's still you me and Jasper to the end. Do we go on a massive challenge streak? Nope :lol: But I think you being in Big Brother format would have had a much larger impact on the game because you were not in that group of Seth, James, Esme, and Charlie who were all the targets when it first started. You had people wanting to work with you. I dare say you might have been here in the final 3. So what happens if you make it? I think you do quite well for yourself! :wub:
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Did Bella finally kill herself?
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Because before that event (sorry to leave it mysterious for now, unless someone else has brought it up or you can guess or something) I thought you were playing brilliantly. Victoria came to the jury and mentioned how you were doing the same thing with her and Irina that you were trying with me and Angela. And I can confirm to you right now that it was working with me, I never brought it up to Irina despite being close to her and she never brought it up with me. I think that was a brilliant way to play the list format and also hedge your bets going into the stage after List. So great job there. I gained a lot of respect for your strategic game when I heard about that.


Oh.. thanks Leah. I actually didn't really mention that much in my opening statement because I didn't want to go over like every alliance or whatever. But yeah if you're going to mention it.. I'll talk about it for a second I guess. Me.. me and Rosalie had a few alliances there. An alliance of 6 with our 2 groups. An alliance of 4 with Irina/Victora, and then another alliance of 4 with.. with you/Angela that later included Jasper kind of against my wishes. But yeah. I thought playing the middle was best and having something with the Forks girls and the Coven girls was for the best for sure and gave me the best chance to like.. hopefully stay safe if I ended up vulnerable during a List round.

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My question coming off that though is had me, Irina, Victoria, and Angela all somehow made the Big Brother stage who were you really planning to work with? Or hadn't you decided yet? What was your real thought behind all that I know it sort of depends on which two players me and Victoria would have been replacing, so go ahead and include that in your speculation. Just give me some idea where your REAL investment was when it came to that. And don't worry about boosting my ego by saying it was me, I want the truth. I just want to see what you were really thinking regarding that situation.


I mean.. I won't go into some crazy scenario about you replacing so and so or whatever. But this sort of scenario is something that caused a bit of a stir between me and Rosalie actually. Because like.. we formed the thing with the Coven girls first before the one with you/Angela. It was sort of like our plan coming into the merge.. or my plan at least. Just because of the convenience or whatever of having Victoria/Irina as close allies already, and then me/Rosalie close allies already. It just.. it made sense to do that with the Coven girls.

But eventually Rosalie started to distrust Victoria/Irina and thought they might be just like.. just using us. I really didn't agree at all, especially with Victoria because I really trusted her. This is like around the time the alliance with you/Angela formed. Me and Rosalie kind of argued about which side to go with and stuff when it came to it. But I will say I.. I always had the Coven girls about you and Angela on my list because I had developed the trust with them earlier and felt it was just in the beginning stages with us. Had.. had all 4 of you lasted through the List and we got to Big Brother it would be a toss up really. Eventually.. eventually I ended up going after Irina for being a threat and maybe.. maybe I would have sided with you to do that. Or maybe you would've been the threat that I would've targeted. It's.. it's hard to say because it's impossible to know how people would be perceived and stuff if you made it that far. But I will say.. I always would have been loyal to Victoria over you or Angela. Maybe not Irina but.. yeah. For the List format, I preferred and trusted the Coven girls a bit more or whatever. When it came to BB if you were all still there.. there just would have been a lot of factors that would've played into which way I went. I.. I hope that answered your question.

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The other question I have was about something Emmett said after he hit the jury. He said that your reasoning for targeting Seth/Charlie over Irina (a move he apparently disagreed with) was that you felt Irina (and Angela) were more "deserving" of staying around. Now see for me the word "deserving" when it comes to ORGs, especially in the late game, is a big pet peeve of mine. I think that late in the game you should be playing more for yourself. So I guess what I'm asking is did you really say that, and if so was it just an excuse or did you mean it or what exactly where you thinking.


I didn't say that about Seth. That conversation was in between the final 7 and 6 rounds like.. right after Seth was evicted. Rosalie and Emmett.. yeah they were pushing for Irina to go pretty hard instead of Charlie, and I was saying like.. I was uncomfortable with that because I respected Irina more and thought she deserved to stay over Charlie. So yes about Charlie.. yes I did say that. I think the thing about Charlie though is.. I don't know, like I said in my fallen comrades for him like... he scared me the most of anyone in the merge. I think prior to his computer breaking he was a.. a really great and scary player. But after that with Emmett/Rosalie wanting to boot Irina instead of Charlie is was just like.. to me it was kind of just dragging Charlie along because his broken computer had made him like.. all but useless pretty much. In challenges especially.

So yeah I thought that.. that it would be not right to do that to Irina. Another thing about it that wasn't really about the whole deserving thing was that.. I was just scared that people would start thinking of Charlie as maybe an easy win to bring to the end. And like.. I just wanted to avoid that at pretty much all costs by just trying to put my foot down and saying no.. I won't go after Irina. But yeah, I did say that about Charlie and sorry if it.. if it offends you or whatever. I try not to really say it often either but with Charlie I think it was like.. a unique situation caused by his unforeseen troubles or whatever.

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And lastly because I'm going to ask Irina this too and I think I should probably throw you this bone as well why should I vote for you over Angela.


I mean.. yeah I pretty much knew coming into this that Angela had your vote. Like.. the whole loyalty thing I totally get it or whatever. I have no issues with you voting for like.. your best friend out of the three of us. But I think.. I think if you step back and objectively with no bias, that Irina and I both outplayed Angela when it comes to pretty much like.. most facets of the game. Socially and physically for sure... strategically is up for interpretation I guess. In terms of strategy I guess.. I guess it just depends if you have more respect for the outwardly dominant and controlling.. or the UTR background non-threat kind of thing that Angela was. I don't.. I don't think we carried her here by any means but I mean.. you can't really argue that she survived on her own merits alone. Others were nominated and voted out for being threats and she just.. she wasn't.

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FOR ALL THREE OF YOU, how would the game have changed if I had survived the list format and made the Big Brother format. Make up whatever scenario you need to for this to have happened. I'm just curious. (Bella you can feel free to just combine this with your question about who you were loyal to if you want, or not and make it a separate case where only I make the merge and Victoria is still left behind, whichever you want. Actually thinking of it Irina you could combine questions a bit there too if you want).


Okay so.. if you make the BB phase that means James doesn't because like.. because he was last other than you. So assuming Jasper wins that HoH again and pulls double.. I'd say the final nominees end up being me, Esme, and probably Angela I guess if James isn't there? Because Rosalie and Emmett have idols so they can't go up. I think that I was.. I was well connected, but Angela's secret group saves her here. Then.. then me and Esme go home together I guess.

If I don't win HoH next since I'm out.. probably Irina does. She'd put up I think.. probably Charlie and Seth still since that's pretty much all anyone talked about that round. So yeah.. Seth still leaves here. Irina wins HoH again with the pyramid thing and I think... she flushes the idols again and goes after the obvious alliance you guys have. So like.. you and Jasper are nominated. I think you're probably perceived as the bigger threat so you go home?

The next double.. Irina wins HoH again and probably puts up Rosalie instead of me. So then.. yeah Irina probably wins all the challenges from here on out. So she probably wins Veto and I don't think Rosalie can escape her threat status here this time. So.. so her and Emmett leave. At final 4.. Irina obviously wins immunity and then I think.. I think Angela is probably considered the biggest threat so she probably leaves.

10th: Esme
9th: Bella
8th: Seth
7th: Leah
6th: Rosalie
5th: Emmett
4th: Angela
Final 3: Charlie, Irina, Jasper

Sorry this turned into like a.. a weird fan fiction or something. I'm just gonna stop now. Sorry for being annoying.
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I'm really sorry for being.. for being an idiot and taking so long. But like.. to be fair she asked me like 10 more questions than she asked you guys. But yeah.. sorry.
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