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| Final Tribal Council; Angela vs Bella vs Irina | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 10 2013, 08:00 PM (7,141 Views) | |
| Aro | Oct 10 2013, 10:27 PM Post #76 |
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Satisfied, Emmett? |
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| Emmett | Oct 10 2013, 10:28 PM Post #77 |
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I'm satisfied. Nice work ladies
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| Bella | Oct 10 2013, 10:29 PM Post #78 |
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I mean.. I didn't want to go to the end with Esme and Rosalie so that's yeah.. that's not true. Before Esme left, me and Rosalie talked about a final 3 with Emmett and how.. how that's what we'd aim for if it came down to us four or whatever. Voting Esme would've been the hardest thing ever and I'm.. I'm so glad I never had to do that. But yeah.. that's not really a point you can use against me because we like all know that Esme would have run away with the win. With Rosalie is was like.. I don't know I already explained this and I don't like talking about it. I was.. I was never going to vote her out myself, but I subtly tried to get you to do it for me once at final 6. It didn't work.. but then last night as soon as I won immunity I mean.. I knew she was leaving. I knew when I cast my vote for you that she was leaving. But I wasn't going to do that to her. I.. I stand by my best friends here unlike you. If it meant that she got to the finals and won well then.. she would've deserved it. I mean I knew.. I knew it wouldn't result in that but I wasn't going to abandon her. |
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| Bella | Oct 10 2013, 10:29 PM Post #79 |
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Sorry that was in response to.. to Irina. I'll be quiet now sorry. |
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| Aro | Oct 10 2013, 10:29 PM Post #80 |
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| Rosalie | Oct 10 2013, 10:32 PM Post #81 |
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Long time no see, bitches.![]() I have a lot to say but I don't want to ramble on forever, so I'll be as concise as a I can, but I must want you that I have a lot to say. Feel free to defend yourselves if you desire and address anything you'd like. If there's a particular question I have, it'll be in bold. I gave this game everything I had. I think I was truly playing to the best of my ability until the last couple of days. Yes, I made mistakes, even whoever wins this game probably did, but I recovered from most of them. My only true regret is not listening to Bella last night, who has an incredible intuition, and knew that trusting Angela to vote Irina off was a mistake. I assume Angela's reason for doing this is because she saw me as a bigger threat than Irina? Well, it might be shocking to here me say this, but for once, Angela was right. I guess it will make you all happy to know that I probably would have beaten any combination of three of us. Unfortunately, it can't be me, but in the hearts of many jurors, I am the true winner. Just wanted you to know that. I'm not going to minimize the games you played. Anyone who got to the top three out of twenty-seven deserves some praise. So congratulations for that, but it doesn't mean that you didn't all make mistakes, benefit from other people's actions, and get lucky in order to get where you are. Angela, I'll readily admit that I still am holding a grudge from your actions these past two rounds. But at the same time, there's that expression: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Last night is on me. Bella knew you shouldn't be trusted and I got greedy, thinking that Irina was the bigger threat and believed you were with us since we had discussed taking her out for quite some time. Had I known that I had the jury's support over any of you bitches, I wouldn't have hesitated to vote for you in the event that you were cunty enough to force a tie, again. (Spoiler alert: you were.) If there's anyone in this final three who really benefited from other's actions, it's you. Irina and I put in the work to get the three of us idols. You benefited from that, because there was no way in hell you would have survived the list rounds without that. Irina only saved you over Victoria because she didn't want James/Seth/Esme getting idols. Otherwise, once again, you would have been toast. Once the Big Brother rounds started, I knew you'd be able to fly under-the-radar because you sucked in challenges (as did I) and posed no threat to anyone, in any way, shape or form. The only thing I'll give you credit for is for fucking me over last night, because apparently it was the right move. And I get you lying to me, since if I knew you were lying, I would have voted for you along with Bella, and I probably could have handled you in that tiebreaker. However, the night before, I don't believe you had any reason to lie to me, considering that it would ultimately fall on Irina to make the call there. (Not to mention the fact that had it not worked, you had work to do in terms of our relationship. Of course I let that go because I believed we had the same goal of taking Irina out, but the point remains valid.) You lost major points with me for how you handled everything. Jury management is something I hold high in terms of evaluating how people played the game and I would have thought that someone in dire need of votes as you are, would have enough common sense to admit to someone you are voting them out. But apparently you lack that, and a soul. Also, you can't fucking spell.... his name is Emmett, not Emmet. Two Ts. That annoyed me greatly and continues to annoy me. PLEASE SPELL IT CORRECTLY FROM HERE ON OUT! So, what I want you to tell me is this. You spoke often to me about how you believe you had no chance to win. I find it reckless to go to the endgame with people that you believe you have no chance up against. Why bother? It's embarrassing. So, did you really believe you had no shot? Or was that just you painting yourself to be non-threatening? What was the final three you were seeking during the last phase of the game? Did you believe this gave you a legitimate chance to win? Also, do you believe Irina was pulling your strings? Or was is the other way around? These won't affect my vote any, but it could change other people's minds. So if you choose not to answer them and lose a vote because of it, that's on you. Irina, your up next. There's no denying your role in this game. You ran the Coven for the most part, and were able to make them your loyal sheep, lead to slaughter. However, the time you took making those relationships was all for not, because you were outplayed and outwitted during the list rounds. The Cullens owned those rounds and that cannot be denied. And again, like Angela, if not for your idol, you would not have survived that phase of the game. You said in your opening statement that you believe you wasted your idol: wrong. Leah was higher than you on my list that round, so playing it was a good idea. There are discussions amongst the jury about the strength of lack thereof of your social game. You made great connections with some and shit ones with others. You didn't bother cultivating some relationships, which I see as a weak point. Not to mention the fact that your constant #meltdowns were a drain on your existing allies (see: myself). James and I would laugh about them in our PM conversations. ![]() The thing though that strikes me as possibly the biggest weakness in your game is your lack of a pulse on the game. During the final six, I was surprised by a few things. First of all, that you didn't nominate me initially. And second of all, which I guess relates to the first point, that Bella slipping up to you was the first inclination you had that I was against you. I hadn't even been that careful about telling people you needed to go, and I had been saying it like ever since James was voted back into the game. Speaking of that, did you know or suspect that I ranked James the highest to get him back into the game? All of the Cullens did. And did you know about my hot love affair with James? (These are generally rhetorical, but feel free to respond.) I was devastated when he left because I really wanted to roll with him and take you out, but the cards fell right for you and he was taken from me. You won competitions when you needed to, including the tie breaker last night, which I can respect, but had luck not been on your side, you would not be here. Of course, luck plays a role for all of us, but I don't think you were aware of the game going on around you at times. But you played much better than Angela, and making her one of your loyal sheep obviously paid off since she kept you here last night. Perhaps she was your most important sheep after all. What I want from you is this. In the jury forum, we have a compiling of everyone's lists from those rounds of the game. To test how well you were aware of how others thought of you, I'd like to know where you believe you ranked for the people listed below (this includes only those who posted their lists). Just give me a general number that you'd guess you ranked, on average over the course of the four list rounds, or however many rounds that person survived. Feel free to justify or explain where you believe you ranked, generally speaking. Leah: Jasper: Esme: Seth: Charlie: Emmett: Jessica: Rosalie: Carlisle: Bella, I fucking love you, bitch. I know you'll be able to show everyone how deserving you are tonight, so I won't say much. I have faith in your abilities to represent yourself. You had the most amazing arc in this game. You went from outcast, to a full-fledged member of the best alliance in this game, BEER. For those of you who don't know, that was Esme, Emmett, Bella and myself. The night you broke shtick with me and opened up was your moment for me. I knew I could trust you in this game and that we could go the distance together. I had no idea you were the challenge beast that you were, but it was definitely a useful bonus, and it helped the Cullens to dominate the list. You didn't need an idol to survive like these other two. Where people have reservations was your loyalty to Irina and unwillingness to work with Seth/Charlie to get her out. So, that might be something that people want to hear about if it hasn't already been brought up. You are flawless. I'll be so happy to see you win this since I can't, so anyone who wanted to vote for me, know that my vote stands with Bella and I believe she played the game better than Angela and Irina, and if I can't win, she deserves it. Work it, girl. I know you have what it takes to dig deep and win any doubters over. You did it with me at the very beginning, and countless others throughout the course of the game. Your journey has been a poetic one and I hope it finishes the way it should. I had a hard time thinking of what to request from you, because you've already given me so much, but I always enjoy when you beat yourself up and say how ugly you are. I think it might be a nice change of pace for you to talk about your positive attributes. Name three things that you are proud of or feel confident about, whether that's physical, mental or whatever else there is, with regards to this game. ![]() |
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| Angela | Oct 10 2013, 10:45 PM Post #82 |
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Looks like I'm giving the same answer for 3 questions in a row. I should basically just copy/paste what I said to Emmett ![]() My ideal final 3 was with Emmett and Jasper. I lied to you. I lied a lot. But like you admitted to yourself, you fell for it. I do like you on a personal level, and I was not maliciously going after you just so I could laugh at how angry and upset you got. I think even in my Round 1 confessional I talk about how I knew if I went to final 3 with you and Irina that I likely lose because I did plan on playing a quieter game. I was able to read situations very well in this game, and my self awareness is something that should be considered here. Me telling you constantly that I will lose to you was part strategy to seem less threatening. You say you wanted me to be honest about what I was doing, but as you yourself pointed out, that would have been the dumbest move for me, because then you vote against me. Lying is a legitimate strategy, and it worked against you. I never wanted both you and Irina in the final 3 with me, and I had to choose one over the other, and I as aware enough of the situation to know that of the 2 of you, you were the bigger threat over her. Big Brother is not the ideal format for a player like me. I am a devious little shit who wanted to flip the game on it's head, but never got that chance, because as I pointed out, I never won power. I am not going to back pedal and try and talk my way out of lies. I will entirely own up to them. Eventually the bitterness will go away. I know I'm not getting your vote, but you'll forget all about my betrayal after the game. I do like you and respected you, and that is why I had to betray you, because everyone liked and respected you as well. |
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| Irina | Oct 10 2013, 10:47 PM Post #83 |
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Well let me start out by saying that I played this by assuming everyone would make moves in their best interest at every point. Trusting James and trying to play with him over me and choosing Leah over me on a list I don't believe were smart moves for you with how loyal to you I was at the time, and that's why I believed that you were on the same page as Bella with regards to me. I assumed you put me higher on your list because it's a better game move for you to do so. I think it's odd how you guys preach about how amazing it is to be loyal and now you're sitting here cackling about how you fooled someone who was incredibly loyal to you post merge. Also it's hard to say the Coven got outplayed in the List format, they weren't good at challenges, and I could only save one person the few times I did win and I made the best move for myself at every point. Again, that's great that you love James, but he would have backstabbed you much earlier than I did, I am very sure of that. I didn't put you up initially because I saw you as someone I could easily beat in a challenge and get rid of at the final 4 if Bella left, and that was my goal, and I accomplished it even with Bella in the game. Also I didn't want Bella winning the veto and removing you and forcing Angela out of the game. So you were mostly saved by me at that point because of your lack of challenge skills. Also, if you're going to point out any lack of awareness of the game on my part, you should also criticize Bella's. By Breaking Dawn I knew who everyone was with, I knew who they would put up and wouldn't put up, I knew the right things to say to the right people to keep myself safe in any situation other than the double which any of us needed to win. She had no idea of my alliegance to Jasper and Angela, and kept me when she had the opportunity to get rid of me. But you're already decided in your vote so clearly that doesn't matter to you. I don't think the Lists mattered so much. I did what I could in those rounds, but I knew people were going to see me as a threat and James was going to get into people's heads as he clearly did with you. Credit to James's game, which I have always given him. Leah: 4 Jasper: 5 Esme: 6 in earlier rounds and last later Seth: 10 Charlie: 10 Emmett: 14 Jessica: 8 Rosalie: 11 Carlisle: 7 Let me know if I'm missing anything but I really don't think my answer will affect you anyway lol |
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| Bella | Oct 10 2013, 10:48 PM Post #84 |
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Thanks Rosalie I.. I fucking love you too. With the Charlie/Seth thing and not wanting to turn against Irina I mean.. I admit that I think that was a mistake. We all make them. For me I was just.. I was trying to get out as many competent challenge players as I possibly could so that I'd be the one.. the one winning HoHs, and Vetos, and immunities. Only me. The two people that really like.. that threatened me in that regard were Irina and Seth. Irina.. I had trusted her and worked closely together with her for about 2 weeks by the time the Seth eviction happened. With Seth we had.. we'd be reserved with each other for a lot of the merge and kind of only just started opening up the night before after Esme left. So for me it was like.. Seth or Irina? I chose to get rid of Seth just because I trust Irina more. Whether it will turn out to be my biggest mistake I mean.. time will tell if Irina wins I guess. Had I the foresight to see that she would've won that double HoH and ruined like all of my plans... obviously she would've been so gone at final 8 that it like.. it isn't even funny. I just.. I hadn't seen her do as well as Seth in competitions either so she.. she kind of surprised me. For me at the time it was.. it just seemed like sound logic. Seth is better at competitions.. I trust Seth less... get rid of Seth. In hindsight maybe not so bright, but yeah. I was just acting on the perspective I had on the game at.. at that time. Oh and Rosalie? Is this.. is this the thing Leah was talking about with lots of jurors questioning one particular aspect of my BB phase strategy? I mean.. I assumed when she said that that.. this is what it was referring to. But if it's not I just.. can I know what it is so that I can address it? Anyway to your question you.. you do know you're asking like literally the hardest thing you could for me? Positive attributes? Me? Well.. I guess first and foremost is my loyalty. I mean.. it was there. I think the speeches from like all three of you, Emmett, and Esme really show that and it makes me really proud that you three.. you three think so highly of me. The others might not fully appreciate the loyalty thing from me as much as you three do. But even.. even if it's only you guys that think highly of me for it. It still.. it really lifted my heart to hear what you guys had to say to me tonight. I'm just.. I'm proud of myself for not forsaking you guys even when you might've (and you definitely would've) beaten me tonight. My physical game yeah.. I mean it's hard not to be proud of that. During the Eclipse phase like.. I won competitions and bested like 16 people or 15 or whatever it was at the time. The feeling of being the best out of such a big group of people like that is.. is uplifting. And especially when it meant that I could help to keep my allies safe and make sure that.. that they made it to the next round. And obviously like HoH's and immunities and Vetos... it's just nice to be able to feel like you had an impact here and that.. that you were able to help craft significantly how the game went. And I.. I honestly never really thought of it before you, Emmett, and Esme brought it up. But I guess... yeah I guess my journey here has been pretty incredible looking back. On the first day, and especially after the first couple of votes I just could've.. I could've never dreamed this up. I was just at the lowest of my lows and now I just feel like.. like on cloud 9 win or lose. I'm just.. I'm a changed Bella after all of this and maybe I'll have more confidence in the future, I don't know. All I can do is my best, and I felt like.. that's what I did here. |
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| Rosalie | Oct 10 2013, 10:49 PM Post #85 |
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Bitch, don't get sassy with me. |
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| Aro | Oct 10 2013, 10:50 PM Post #86 |
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Let me know when you are satisfied Rosalie. |
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| Angela | Oct 10 2013, 10:53 PM Post #87 |
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Sorry, I temporarily forgot that I was supposed to be spineless
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| Rosalie | Oct 10 2013, 10:54 PM Post #88 |
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I'd have some rebuttals to Irina but I won't waste time with that. She's right, my mind is made up. Bella, I'm not sure what Leah is exactly referring to, but that's probably it based on what I've read. Good luck. |
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| Aro | Oct 10 2013, 10:55 PM Post #89 |
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Its not quite over yet ladies, now for some speech delivery by Aro. Hang tight. |
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| Aro | Oct 10 2013, 10:57 PM Post #90 |
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So here I stand. You are incredible strategically, socially, and physically. Despite you being a vile cunt when you didnt get your way. Reading some of these chats between you and others, apparently you freaked out a lot. I loved when you came to confront me about everything I was telling Angela. I think at one point I said hi to you in brackets in one of my pms to angela cause my chain with her was just quoted all the time in ur SG. Lul. But you stand a chance at my vote becauwe Id look like an ass being hateful towards you. Good luck, Irina. 
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