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Topic Started: Apr 22 2010, 04:42 PM (14,660 Views)
Rakthor
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lardlad
May 25 2009, 12:18 PM
OOC: Excuse me, but the Arrow II missiles, launch systems, and Green Pine radar systems are all Israeli. The manufacturers are all Israeli. Therefore, regardless of who funded it (which is both of us), you have to order them through me. I am completely obligated to accept that request, but you have no Arrow systems until you've ordered them from me.

ooc: excuse me wtfpwned in a moment.

"Boeing is responsible for production of approximately 50% of the missile components in the US, including the electronics section, booster motorcase and missile canister.

Boeing also coordinates the production of Arrow missile components being manufactured by more than 150 American companies, including ATK (first and second stage rocket motor cases and first stage nozzle).

IAI is responsible for integration and final assembly of the missile in Israel. Boeing delivered its first consignment of Arrow components in November 2005.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/arrow2/

so now who produces them? wait, do you really wanna go there lardlad? cuz i don't think you do. fact is, US companies build it you just put it together. US funded this you just get the benefits. I doubt you wanna attempt to state i have to go through Israel to build this cuz if so, then you get jack from this as well. kthxbai.

As for the F-35 program by the time i cut it, it was basically done. All the info is still there, i am just not gonna be involved other than production orders for nations. if ya'll wanna upgrade go for it, just don't expect US involvement. don't forget it was around April 2011 that i cut the program.

"The F-35 Lightning II’s successful first flight occurred Dec. 15, 2006. Flight testing continues to advance full development of this 5TH generation fighter. Flight testing of the STOVL variant begins in 2008. Deliveries to the armed services are scheduled to begin in 2010 and continue well beyond 2030."

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/f35/

so lets see, in 2010 deliveries begin, a year afterwards i cut the program..... yeah i really screwed everyone over.

so now that i wtfpwned you twice, how about you do some actual research before you attempt to tell me what i can or cannot do and what i can or cannot cut. kthxgtfomythread
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The funeral procession will be in Moscow, and leaders of the World are invited to attend. In the meantime, Speaker of the Duma Viktor Bobrov will be filling the post until a special election in 2 months.
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OOC: My Wikipedia sources state that the Arrow system is manufactured by IMI, Tadiran, and IAI. So your sources may be right, but also according to Wikipedia, the system is designed and built in Israel, with funding from both America and Israel. The funding was listed as $2 billion. So, yes, I think you do have to go through me anyway.

Wiki also has the F-35 as introduced in 2011.
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OOC: So wikipedia is always correct, even in the face of a source related to those that use it (Army), and in the face of one of the companies that produces it (F-35, LM)....

I find something wrong in your logic.
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In February 2003, IAI signed an agreement with Boeing to establish the production infrastructure to manufacture components of the Arrow missile in the US.



OOC:The Arrow entered service in 2000, doesnt that mean at some time Israel would have been making their own?
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OOC: This is true, but you can't just toss everything Wiki says away. Since Rak gave more proper sources than myself, he is obviously more liable to be right, but you still can't just chuck away everything on Wiki. I want to know if his sources cover what Wiki says or not, cause the project was dual-funded, and therefore he still must have my consent.
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May 25 2009, 04:13 PM
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In February 2003, IAI signed an agreement with Boeing to establish the production infrastructure to manufacture components of the Arrow missile in the US.



OOC:The Arrow entered service in 2000, doesnt that mean at some time Israel would have been making their own?

OOC: Where was that?
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OOC: From Rakthor's source
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OOC: Aha, I see it now. In Rak's words:

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excuse me wtfpwned in a moment.


But, I was wrong about F-35.
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May 25 2009, 02:11 PM
OOC: My Wikipedia sources state that the Arrow system is manufactured by IMI, Tadiran, and IAI. So your sources may be right, but also according to Wikipedia, the system is designed and built in Israel, with funding from both America and Israel. The funding was listed as $2 billion. So, yes, I think you do have to go through me anyway.

Wiki also has the F-35 as introduced in 2011.

ooc: Wikipedia<Army Tech website. sorry but as i tell Ford, wikipedia is the crappiest source to go to unless absolutely necessary.

@Jac- umm... well if the website actually stated that, then sure but since the contract is with Boeing to produce the missile then i suspect that Israel does not in fact produce the missile itself.

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/arrow.htm

"The joint US-Israeli project, which includes missiles, interceptor launcher batteries, the Green Pine radar and the Citron Tree fire-control system, cost $1.3 billion to develop. The final bill is expected to be double the billion dollars spent so far. This cost could be reduced if the Arrow 2 is sold to other countries which have expressed interest - such as Great Britain, Turkey, Japan and reportedly India."

heh, so i can't build it for the US but there is a good possibility it would be sold to other nations.....

"Israel had originally planned to deploy two Arrow 2 batteries but has since sought and won promises of funding for a third battery. The US Congress approved the funding of $81.6 million toward the cost of a third batteries. Each battery reportedly costs about $170m."

oh thought i would put that out there. the US is funding all Israeli Arrow 2 purchases.

"Prior to obligation of funds to execute ADP R&D efforts, the President must certify to the Congress that a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) exists with Israel for these projects, that each project provides benefits to the US, that the Arrow missile has completed a successful intercept, and that the Government of Israel continues to adhere to export controls pursuant to the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). Subsequent US-Israeli cooperative R&D on other ballistic missile defense concepts would occur in the future."


final quote. bolded portion relevant since it states that the US must receive benefits from these projects. that i believe includes the ability to build the missile for US usage.


As for Wiki and the F-35..... umm... i gave you the fucking Lockheed-Martin (ya know the fucking producer of the F-35) site and their timeframe. so please for the love of god, stop quoting wiki like it is a viable source especially when i give far better quality sites than wikipedia. such as Lockheed Martin who is actually producing the damn jet.
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OOC: Reread my above post please.

Also, you are right, I am fully obligated to allow you to build them as often as you want, in the numbers that you want. But you still have to make it clear with me, since I gave you designs to all the parts and such, and you only helped pay for it.
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The US orders 1,000 Green Pine radar systems and 1,000 Citron Tree fire-control systems.
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lardlad
May 25 2009, 02:28 PM
OOC: Reread my above post please.

Also, you are right, I am fully obligated to allow you to build them as often as you want, in the numbers that you want. But you still have to make it clear with me, since I gave you designs to all the parts and such, and you only helped pay for it.

ooc: there are only two things i need from Israel in regards to the Arrow II. i do not need your permission. though since i am funding you your batteries, you may want to rethink this argument. i have produced all of those minus the two components i just ordered from you.
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The US President attends with heavy guards.
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Hu Jintao attends, in typical formal wear. No guards are seen.
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