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playing 2 cards at the same time.
Topic Started: Aug 19 2012, 09:38 AM (260 Views)
DJ_Cronos12
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Let's say i play demonic tricks to heal my fighter. Then, my opponent wants to halt it but i want to play overwhelming odds to copy demonic tricks. Overwhelming odds says the card must be played immediately after i play the event, but so does halt-so who gets to play their card first or do they activate at the same time.
Also, if they activate at the same time, would overwhelming odds have an effect since the effect of demonic tricks was canceled.
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miamiheat420
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if im not mistaken you can still use o odds. halt says "discard a card to keep your opponent from USING any effects" it doesnt negate the actual activation of the card. so you are technically still playing the d tricks but you just cant USE the effect of it and then you can still o odds it. the halt will prevent you from USING the effects of the d tricks but it is still being played and therefore you can play o odds to copy it. someone please correct me if im wrong.
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kempochrispy
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I think that is a fair assessment of that play. It definitely all comes down to the wording on Halt! The fact that it allows you to still be playing the card would be why I can see it working.
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brianddl
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Heres how the timing would work

You Would Play Demonic Tricks
-Your Oppenent Plays Halt in Response to Demonic Tricks
-You Play Odds in Response to tricks as well since both cards are played in response to the card being play. As per the rule book you being the active player would choose the order inwhich the cards would resolve since they are both acting at the same time.
-You would resolve Odds
-Halt would Resolve Stopping Tricks
You would only Gain the one Health Back from the Odds since the Tricks was halted. But would still gain it because at the time Odds resolved Tricks was still able to resolve.

Hope its not to confusing.
When ever effects happen at the same time the active player always choose the order in which they resolve.
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miamiheat420
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what you said sounds right except you would play odds before your opponent has a chance to play halt. odds says immediately after you play an event. so assuming this game has a stack like magic. you play demonic tricks, then you play odds. then you pass priority to your opponent with both tricks and odds on the stack. then your opponent has priority and has the opportunity to either halt odds or tricks. then priority passes back to you and you can play a halt in response if your opponent played one. if you do then you pass priority back to your opponent and if he does nothing then you get priority back and if you do nothing the next step happens because both players passed priority on the stack. this is all assuming the stack in yu yu works the same as in magic. the key word in overwhelming odds is immediately which is letting you play it before your opponent can halt the tricks. another thing is the way halt works is it prevents you from using the effects of a card but doesnt negate the activation of a card. so tricks would still resolve but you cant use the effects of it.

my brain hurts.
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brianddl
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Works kinda like what you are saying
I play Tricks.
A window opens to play cards in reponse to tricks.
I Play Odds.
You play Halt. Chooseing one or the other
Since im the active player My Odds Resolves(Assuming you choose to
Halt Tricks.
Your Halt Now Resolves Stoping Tricks
Window Closes
Tricks is Halted.

Odds is a bad example because of the wording.

The timeing in Hakusho can get a little annoying
but you got the jist of it
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miamiheat420
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i was literally using magic rules so it wasnt exactly the same. but its pretty much the same rules though. priority still has to pass between both players without something else being added to the stack for the spells to start resolving. are there cards that are effected by the amount of events you have played for a turn? because thats the only instance i can think of where it matters if a card that was halted actually resolves or not. probably just scores sketchy rules.
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brianddl
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Heres a better Example of F.ed up Timing. This actually Happened at Worlds with me.


1 I Played Burst of Power
-Resolved
(heres the crazy part)
2. I played Kaykos Promise Naming Solatire
My oppentent Played Solatire in Responce to my 2nd Event being played.
3. I Played I Got Some Thing for You.
He Played Halt!
I played another using the Yomi Bonus. I played his IGSFY From his Discard Pile
He Halted. Now Heres where it gets Realy Nutz. Every Thing Canceled back out to Him Playing Solatire BUT Since Solatire didnt Stop the Effect of my Promise and they created resolving effects. My Promise Locking his Sol. and his Sol Ending my Turn i got to choose the order.. I let my Promise Resolve Locking out the effect of his Solatire even though it was already being played. Which Stopped him from Ending my turn. I went Inf. Forced the Draw. Won the Game.
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miamiheat420
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do you remember who you did that against at worlds? that seems very familiar to me and i was playing yomi there.
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brianddl
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He was Random deck.. I played heros untied in my frist turn and he soltaired me, So i Choose the Yomi bonus to be able to incase he tried to do it again, since he had discarded a ISG4U to Feed a Halt during my Turn.
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miamiheat420
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ah sorry i thought you said he used yomi bonus my mistake. i was playing a straight yomi mill control deck. lost to a yomi king in t16. it was the guy who won team challenge. tron i think his name was. it sucked for me cause he was playing king and i was playing control. usually my strat was to just stall them out by disrupting them with icyo, solitare, kaitous rules stuff like that. and then win by milling. so i couldnt disrupt him at all cause he never lost a piece and then he kept using team bounus and was shuffling in 4 a turn from delude. and every turn was so long and drawn out cause we each kept halting each other and using each others halts and igsfy and it just took forever. i think it was the only match at the tournament that went to time. so time was called and he won cause he won 2 matches and i only did 3 points to his king. shit sucked.
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brianddl
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Heres the Shitty Thing. You should not have had to play him at T16.
Because Scott messed up the pairing. He Should have had to play me at T32, After i beat his buddy at T64ish. But since Scott Wonder Pairinged Me, I had to Play stryders anti Merry Go Round deck for a 2nd time that weekend.( I call it that because his 3 wins at worlds were 2 from my deck and one from some random ronin deck using Falling apart. So Torn dodged a Bullet. I played him for fun after the tourny and demolised his deck in one turn. ah good times
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miamiheat420
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good ol scott. i probably wouldve done a lot better but i was very young at the time. 13 or 14 and was very nervous going in. my nerves got the best of me the first round and i made a very crucial misplay. i forgot to draw with suzaku and passed the turn with a halt and an acceptable losses in my hand. he was playing some random double attackers and then when i played my losses he halted and i didnt have the card to discard for my halt. and all he had in his gy was an IGSFY. so i lost. and then i got extremley unlucky round 2 when i had to face magicweasel and he drew a god hand against me. he was playing some kurama toolbox deck and on my first turn he panics my faces. then he influences on his turn calls out yomi kill him. second match yusuke champion of the people comes out. he uses another panic and i am stuck with no spirit so all i can do is king yanmas. of course knowing my luck i hit everything he could possibly want and give yusuke a bunch of toys. then he kills me. so i go into the third match all i have left is kurama and puu in the 4th which got put there on the first turn. i play meditation and guess what. panic number 3. i srsly got so unlucky that game and went into round 3 feeling down. but after a pep talk from my mentor saul i regained my focus and proceeded to go 4-0 after that. so i finished day one 4-2 but if i didnt misplay and lose round one and then get paired up with weasel round 2 who knows how i couldve finished.
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