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Welcome Shachath!; 11th Place - 3rd Juror
Topic Started: Feb 4 2014, 01:36 AM (481 Views)
Chad
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Tate,Feb 11 2014
09:44:00 PM
Shachath,Feb 11 2014
09:42:06 PM
This should be added here too.

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Monsignor thinks that Tate is the most connected here and is going to run the tribe. He says he has Moira, Kyle, Adelaide and some other connections I can't remember. But he also talked about how Tate was sort of boasting about how he conned so many of his allies into voting just to cut them.

I did do that. That is how you play that format optimally. And I only bragged about it because I am an evil psychopath boy who takes pleasure in the pain of others. That wasn't game related or to threaten anyone or anything.

I can confirm this. Tate is a fucked up asshole.
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Again Shachath I am seriously hand on my heart not trying to "pin" anything on you. Everything I have said is my exact perception of the situation. I don't blame you for shit. You said one offhanded comment about a potential gameplan that I took and ran with. But I don't blame you for that, I blame my own hotheadedness and need to force a gameplan of some kind through because I was paranoid.

Like you're right about everything you say. It was stupid to try and distance the two of us without telling you first. I tend to act first and then ask questions later with that sort of thing though. "Ask for forgiveness rather than permission" type gameplay. Which is horrid, but its how I do it. Because I can never be around to hash things out with people, especially with someone who sucked at getting back to people just as much as I did. It was difficult to remain on the same page with you, so I just took the PMs as they came and flew by the seat of my pants. Part of me questions what I was supposed to do, just wait on you to PM me back before doing anything with the other tribemates? Send them empty fluff until I got permission from you for a certain gameplan? Still it was shitty gameplay but it was not malicious towards you.

Now I will admit I wasn't all that loyal to you after the switch and that Mary Eunice came first because of my perceived position in the original Asylum alliance and my never believing you when it came to our closeness we've discussed that, but I was planning to stick to the three of us together at least unless something tempting came along. Which it didn't and likely would not have. My best gameplan at the time was to stick three strong together, because three strong together was very powerful in that format which I kept trying to tell the both of you.

The part about what me and Eunice were planning before the switch has been discussed but this?

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So also, Timothy devised this entire plan for him, Mary Eunice and I to all play for votes and control the meeting, because he wants Tate out.


Goddamn I never said this. I NEVER SAID THIS. I did say I wanted us to vote together because it was logical. But I never said shit about gunning for Tate specifically or wanting Tate out like that and I don't know where that comes from. I don't know HOW that came to be because I for the life of me don't remember saying that. Was I flying by the seat of my pants so hard that I said shit I don't even remember saying? Did Satan possess my account at some point? No, I don't think so. I think I said things that you read WAY more than I ever intended into.

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And he told me I should not play for immunity since it was selfish to try and keep my idol.


I also swear I don't remember saying this either. I remember saying something about how you would probably play for immunity to protect your idol, but I wouldn't call you selfish to your face. I think you're reading things into what I said and then acting like I actually said them.

And uh

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Furthermore, you were the one who told me that Myrtle, Mary Eunice and Adelaide would be good for us to get with.


Uh... again, you're taking suggestions as solid "this is what I want to do". I sent you a PM talking about our potential allies and talking about how Eunice's secret group connections could be good for us. You were the one that came back to me actually putting a list of names together and adding Kyle who I don't think I even mentioned. I can definitely pull that PM after the game. Again, you were just as half hearted about it and I knew that because I can tell the difference between a halfhearted suggestion for discussion's sake and an actual gameplan but I decided to put that shit out there to Kyle/Myrtle/Addie just as a thing to talk about. Idk I guess I handle shit differently in these games than other people. Certainly not the right way to handle it in a game with this twist. But I threw shit out there for discussions sake a lot on Sloth, and everyone just decided to make it into something I actually planned to do when I hadn't decided anything yet.

And of course you didn't "try to get an alliance going". But you did suggest one. You didn't have any real intent or meaning behind it, but it was a gameplan for me to follow. And when I was doing the "full honest confession" thing with Tate I told him the full truth of my motives but the intent was not to shift blame on you at all.

This all just comes from everyone reading more into what I say than I intend. But thats my fault. I need to watch my damn mouth.


I'm telling you the 100% truth about what my intentions were at the time. Whether they came through in what I said or the way you interpreted what I said or whatever else I'm sorry. I played the Sloth rounds like a complete hothead and an idiot. Given time to breath and assess things I'd have played them much differently.
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Shachath,Feb 11 2014
09:42:06 PM
This should be added here too.

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Monsignor thinks that Tate is the most connected here and is going to run the tribe. He says he has Moira, Kyle, Adelaide and some other connections I can't remember. But he also talked about how Tate was sort of boasting about how he conned so many of his allies into voting just to cut them.

This I did say though. I already said that I did genuinely try to paint Tate as a target. I wasn't committing to targeting him or anything. So much gets lost because people can't tell the difference between me suggesting something or just discussing things and what I actually "want" and "plan" but thats all stuff I did actually say at least. Oh and its my fault that people can't tell the difference between those things. Thats not on anyone else, thats me being a poor communicator and not watching what I say.

I'm 100% owning up to my shit in every way possible, I just can't admit to actually doing the things people accuse me of because all that was was me talking too fast and loose.

Shachath,Feb 11 2014
09:45:39 PM
Well, he's a huge hypocrite, because he did that too. We all did that with that format. Although with Lana, I did tell her it was probably best if she did play for immunity, but she knew she was a target and me trying to snow her would have been cruel. So I didn't.

I never at any point claimed I didn't do that. In fact I believe I told most people about what I did to Lana. Also Lana and I were not allies, so its not like I took someone who was loyal to me and tricked them into doing something they shouldn't have. Still though I don't blame Tate for what he did but you use what you have when you want to paint someone as a target. I told Tate all this when I gave my little confession PM.
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Kyle is glad Monsignor is hot topic of jury house despite leaving such non-impression on most of us while in the game. That is very impressive.
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I'm used to it. Plus its not like I can "participate on the jury" in any other way, since nothing thats happened since Sloth is at all relevant to me and I know nothing about it. I'd just be inserting an unneeded outsider perspective. Might as well talk about the one element of the postswitch I was relevant to I guess.

Also Shachath one more thought I had was that its funny, you remember that PM I sent you opening up to you about my insecurities on the tribe and everything? Very, very much that PM was the first "fly by the seat of my pants and see what happens" PM of the game for me. I had intended to be very straightfoward and level headed with Monsignor since it made sense with the charachter, but that PM I slipped a bit on that. And it worked somehow. You trusted me more after that PM, even if I somehow never believed that was true.

Its weird how sometimes that kind of open-ness works and sometimes it doesn't. I even posted in my confessional after I sent you that "I just sent the stupidest PM to Shachath". So I had no confidence at all in the one time that style actually worked out for me, yet I bungled my way through the Sloth stage with no regrets until after the impact of what I was saying came back to me. Clearly the way I do things has its benefit sometimes, yet somehow the one time it did work out for me was the one time I actually had qualms about going forward with it. So much reflection right now.
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