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| Topic Started: May 27 2009, 05:07 PM (1,616 Views) | |
| Paul Tassopulos | May 27 2009, 05:07 PM Post #1 |
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Diplomat's Island Forum is for people that want to have discussions about issues in the Truth Movement in a diplomatic, friendly, and professional manner. I'm creating this forum and thread Wednesday morning May 27th as a result of events that transpired on Killtown's first effort here. He can tell you why he's here and what he wants to do for himself. Thanks Killtown. Thanks all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNhGmc4dn54&feature=PlayList&p=100CEB871C0BC2FA&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4 Edited by Paul Tassopulos, May 28 2009, 07:19 AM.
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| Killtown | May 27 2009, 07:34 PM Post #2 |
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Thanks for setting this up Paul. I'm participating in this thread to address anyone who may have problems/concerns with any of my actions. I will state my current positions on 9/11 subjects in this thread if asked, but I'm not here to debate about my 9/11 beliefs. I also will not address details about my private life that is no one else's business. Cheers! KT |
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| lunk | May 27 2009, 08:17 PM Post #3 |
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All right, KT, What happened the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, as you see it now? I'm thinking along the lines of sequences of events, leading up to, and including the demolition of the buildings that day. |
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| Rasga Saias | May 28 2009, 05:11 AM Post #4 |
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I have great concerns with most of your actions Killtown. Specially with the unbalanced way you administrate your forum - 911movement.org - and with the fact that you are unable to answer simple questions like the ones made at this thread: http://s13.zetaboards.com/artistsfor911truth/topic/6603512/1/ without creating pages after pages of pointless and unnecessary drama. I understand you prefer to simply scratch the surface and find new plateaus where you can publicize yourself. But being a real 9/11 researcher goes beyond public relations. Being a real 9/11 researcher is being honestly able to debate his own theories without restrictions. Being a real 9/11 researcher is being honestly able to maturely admit mistakes and correct or retract wrong theories when numerous facts prove them wrong. Being a real 9/11 researcher is not coming up with the blunt excuse that "freedom of speech" explains why wrong concepts need your protection from criticism. In a nutshell, my great concerns with most of your actions are based on the fact that you don't act like a real 9/11 researcher when we look under the surface. |
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| lunk | May 28 2009, 05:47 AM Post #5 |
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I can understand someone being stuck in a belief system. 19 hijackers run from a cave by a CIA trained errant operative. But this has been proven untrue, yet, we all must still deal with the repercussions of this false notion. It's hard to give up your ideas. Many are still locked into this B.S. and they will get upset, with even facts that are contrary to their position. This is human nature. |
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| Rasga Saias | May 28 2009, 06:06 AM Post #6 |
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I share your opinion lunk. That explains why most of the people still believe the official story. But there's a huge difference between being "locked into this B.S." and creating the B.S. themselves. Allow me an example: This was created by Simon Shack to represent evidence of TV Fakery. The concept is that there is a tilt angle in the Empire State Building, therefore, the footage is fake.  After a minute or two analyzing this claim, I was able to find the problem.   It is obvious Simon Shack played a trick on us and didn't align his thick dashed line correctly. So I analyzed the image myself and produced this study:  There wasn't any tilt on the ESB. Only a 2.1º tilt in the whole image. After posting it at 911movement, Killtown himself suspended me for being a "sock puppet". Do you still think this is all about being reluctant to change? Edited by Rasga Saias, May 28 2009, 06:15 AM.
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| Paul Tassopulos | May 28 2009, 02:42 PM Post #7 |
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Rasga Saias, lunk, and Killtown, I've got something that I want to say here. It's going to take me some time to write it and post it though. I have to work on other things today. In the interest of diplomacy, please give me today and possibly tomorrow to get my statement up here before you make any futher efforts on this particular topic. Thanks. Edited by Paul Tassopulos, May 28 2009, 03:08 PM.
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| lunk | May 28 2009, 02:45 PM Post #8 |
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Yes, I see, but was it intentional, or was it stupidity? I'd still need to hear Killtowns' interpretation of the events, of 9/11. |
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| Rasga Saias | May 28 2009, 05:48 PM Post #9 |
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lunk, there's a clear line between misinformation and disinformation. And that line is established when the source of the information acknowledges the mistake. Simon Shack could be the stupidest person in the world. But he was warned too many times that what he's pushing is wrong. His theories were debunked one by one numerous times and yet he keeps fabricating more and more excuses he calls "evidence". Coincidentally, all of those who warned him about his obvious "mistakes" were suspended from 911movement by Killtown and accused of being 9/11 perpetrators by some of his associates. There's no way Simon Shack and Killtown are that stupid. They know perfectly well this is wrong. There isn't a single trace of evidence for their theories. They were all fabricated from thin air and that's why Killtown avoids to talk about them. Allow me just one more example: Ozzybinoswald, another Killtown's associate (I call them associates because 911movement "rules" don't seem to apply to them the same way they apply to other users) decided that the eyewitness from the FOX NEWS "Harley guy video" was the actor Mark Humphrey, simply based on the fact they have similar faces.  (Let's not forguet the video quality is extremely poor and the heights from both don't match by far)   After the extensive hate campaign launched against Mark. Someone with the nickname act1 appeared at 911movement and identified himself as being Mark Humphrey. Killtown immediately suspended act1 with the typical "sock puppet" excuse. Hypocritically saying he was doing that to protect the real Mark. (The one he was allowing to be harassed) Luckily, act1 found another forum where he could talk about his concerns without being suspended, pumpitout, and proved he was in fact Mark Humphrey when this message appeared at his website:  Since then, Killtown never apologized for his mistake and keeps pretending act1 isn't Mark Humphrey. Threatening anyone who questions his actions with a suspension.  This constant stupidity must be intentional. Edited by Rasga Saias, May 28 2009, 05:49 PM.
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| lunk | May 28 2009, 06:11 PM Post #10 |
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Thanks for that explanation. Though, this is still all referring to actions from "associates" of Killtown, and it's really just his possible method of support for them, that is under question. I really need to hear from KT, on his take, on this reasoning. |
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| Paul Tassopulos | May 28 2009, 08:38 PM Post #11 |
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Rasgas Saias, I will not constrict anyone’s participation on this site. I will ban people though. I will never ban you because of your previous actions to protect me and this activism effort unless you show a dramatic change in behavior or someone can show me absolutely concrete evidence that you are not what you present yourself as. Your relationship with Killtown at this point is clearly adversarial, an effort to expose what you feel he is, and not an effort to restore good relations because of statements like this.http://s13.zetaboards.com/artistsfor911truth/single/?p=8001556&t=6603512 http://s13.zetaboards.com/artistsfor911truth/single/?p=8001562&t=6603512 http://s13.zetaboards.com/artistsfor911truth/single/?p=8001582&t=6605158 [Editor's note : I put the wrong link and quote up here originally. Corected an hour or two later.] A conversation between you two on Diplomat’s Island Forum is not appropriate. Also, our initial effort on the Ultimate Combat Arena Forum was unsuccessful. http://s13.zetaboards.com/artistsfor911truth/single/?p=8001579&t=6605158 My best guess here for a successful effort between you two is my original concept for the Ultimate Combat Arena. I sent this email to Loose Change, pumpitout, and 9/11oz a few weeks ago for Jeff Hill and John Bursill Debate. ////////////////////////////////////// [name deleted], there's quite a wild scene going on 911oz. http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4352 Here's my concept on it. We start 4 new forums on the 4 efforts I'm involved with. 911oz Ultimate Combat Arena pumpitout Ultimate Combat Arena Loose Change Ulitmate Combat Arena Artists for 9/11 Truth Ultimate Combat Arena Threads in these forums are for this purpose only. The fight is between 2 people only and is presented on all 4 forums simultaneously. The fighters only respond to each other, but all forum members can comment. The fight consists of an opening statement, an intermediate statement, and a closing statement no longer that one page each. Each response must come in no longer than 3 days. John and Jeff can be the first to go in. ////////////////////////////////////////// We could do some version of this now with you two. Or we could do my original concept presented on this site, pumpitoout, and 911movement. Of course, all this is if Killtown wants to do it. My friend, please give it a little consideration. I think it’s a pretty strong concept. I spent a good amount of time creating it and presenting it to you here. Up to you. Up to you both. Edited by Paul Tassopulos, May 29 2009, 12:09 AM.
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| Killtown | May 29 2009, 04:49 AM Post #12 |
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Hi Lunk, I think the 9/11 perps had wargames going on mostly in the Eastern sector to stand down and distract the military, basically creating a window of opportunity when the rest of the military is looking the other way. I believe they had hijacking drills and plane crash drills to help the distraction, or some of those drills were part of the operation. I don't know if the original planes with reported passengers took off or not. The theory of the reported passengers being used in the hijacking drills is interesting. I believe nothing or perhaps missiles hit the WTC while the TV networks broadcasted fake video. I do believe they planes seen in the area were there for distraction. But if the videos were fake, maybe they were fake too! I do believe a lot of the helicopters in the videos were fake. I believe basically the same thing happened at the Pentagon. I believe the Pentagon video that was later released was fake. I believe no plane crash in Shanksville and nothing was shot down. I believe there were other small aircraft in the area including some kind of UAV that Susan McElwain witnessed. I believe some type of bomb was dropped on an existing drainage ditch to create the shallow crater in the field. I believe the Val McClatchey smoke plume photo is fake and the FBI are involved. I believe the shoot down theory is disinfo. I think the WTC 1, 2, and 7 were controlled demo'd. I don't know what I think brought them down though. I feel the thermite theory might be disinfo. I'd like to hear your beliefs of what happened too if you don't mind. Edited by Killtown, May 29 2009, 04:56 AM.
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| JON AMERMAN | May 29 2009, 08:19 AM Post #13 |
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good overview killtown. I agree with 90-95%, somethings I just don't know enough about. I think it's silly to not take the "drill" into account,especially with london's soon after. nicely stated. |
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| Rasga Saias | May 29 2009, 09:24 AM Post #14 |
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A belief system without support of any substantial kind must not be applied to an investigation. An investigation is not a matter of faith. The scientific method must be applied in order to correct the official version of the facts. Therefore, the evidence is the key for the understanding of what happened that day. Proclaiming wrong beliefs with the help of visual persuasion and deceptive methods along with a complete negligence of simply laws of perspective or video quality characteristics, is, by itself, an attack on what resembles the 9/11 truth. You can do anything in your ability to avoid a fact confrontation Killtown. You can even ignore your responsibility and play dumb, pretending you're not doing anything wrong and this is all somebody else's fault. But the number of people realizing who you really are is increasing. And I hope someday you and your associates pay for all the damage you're causing to innocent people. Keep playing your hypocrite role with this diplomatic falsehood for all I care. Until you don't man up and discuss anything with anyone without restrictions, you're the only thing fake here. This hasn't even started. Edited by Rasga Saias, May 29 2009, 09:42 AM.
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| lunk | May 29 2009, 01:31 PM Post #15 |
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Yes, war games to hide the real operation. I think that the thermite story is real, but that is to distract from the micro-nukes that were set off, that day, as well.
This is what I believed on May 24 since then I would add; The impact of the planes above, were meant, to hide the explosions below in the basement of the towers, and the resulting smoke from the fireballs was a cover for the, otherwise visible, initiation of the demolitions. |
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