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Sanada Yukimura
Topic Started: Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:41 pm (2,901 Views)
Shogun
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Just curious to know what everyone's fascination is with this guy. He defended a castle from Tokugawa Hidetada before fighting for the Toyotomi in the Osaka campaigns, where he again was able to defend his position in the first campaign. Big deal. What's so impressive about that? Why do people (Koei included) view him as one of the greatest warriors of the time?

Besides, Nobuyuki scored way more achievements for the Tokugawa.
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Nobuyuki helped preserve the Sanada clan too. Yukimura was a good warrior, but he wasn't one of the greatest.
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In the Tokugawa biography it never even mentions Yukimura at Osaka, much less an Ieyasu worried about possibly having to kill himself. Why would he? Yukimura, as far as I have seen, fought a defensive battle each time and his barricade consisted of 7,000 troops against 10,000 of Tokugawa forces, which isn't that big of a deal.

Nobuyuki however, repelled many unexpected attacks while the others were at the Sekigahara Campaign.
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Was Nobuyuki at Numata when he repelled them or was he someplace else?
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Yes. In Numata along with his family living there. He was also ordered to participate in the short campaign against the Uesugi, where he pushed them back all the way back to Inuyama.
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So, he defended Numata along with his wife Ina. He repels the Uesugi and his father and brother. Nobuyuki is better than Yukimura.
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Yes he was and finally someone understands. Who was capable enough to repel the Uesugi, Katsuie wasn't even able to do that.
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So that means that Nobuyuki surpassed two people Shibata and Yukimura. Nobuyuki was the stronger warrior and Honda probably let Nobuyuki marry Ina because of his strength and leadership.
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Nice thinking you got there :lol: Yeah probably, unlike some people(Tadaoki), Nobuyuki always protected his family in Numata.
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That was another quality that Tadakatsu liked. Tadaoki didn't protect his loved ones. Nobuyuki had a wife and son(s) to protect and did so, probably at risk to his own health.
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The important thing, Nobuyuki successfuly defended Kozuke province. Yukimura's achievements(that I can think of right now) are from Ueda and the barricade he built at Osaka.
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That barricade at Osaka eventually got destroyed so that's only one achievement then.
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He managed to repel Masamune 12000 arquebusiers, but no big deal since he had a cavalry unit of about 3000. So it's not an achievement. In Wiki it says ''he scared the Elite troops from Echizen''. What a load of crap.
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Wiki generally is not to be trusted.
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Yeah I heard from a lot of people that it's very unreliable. Someone go edit that cheap article. Anyways, why is Chunyu Qiong compared to Yukimura? That's like an insult.
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Chun Yu Qiong was compared to Yukimura as a JOKE. Whoever made that poll wasn't being serious.
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Well charging into the Tokugawa main camp and coming near Ieyasu,is a pretty great achievement IMO.

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Meh let japan have it's hero and don't downplay them. I compare him to Zhao Yun and Zhang liao but mostly Zhang Liao
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Then I suppose Nobuyuki would've been a ''hero'' if he charged into a main camp recklessly. Yukimura wasn't that great, they over-exaggerated him too much.
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He was one of the last great warriors of the Sengoku Era, despite being over-hyped through the years after his death.
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May 15 2007, 02:02 PM
Then I suppose Nobuyuki would've been a ''hero'' if he charged into a main camp recklessly. Yukimura wasn't that great, they over-exaggerated him too much.


If he did the same as Yukimura did,then yes,he would be a greator hero then he already was.
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Preserving the Sanada clan and their prestige for more generations. That's heroic enough methinks.
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May 12 2007, 04:04 AM
That barricade at Osaka eventually got destroyed so that's only one achievement then.

That is the biggest blunder in logic I've seen in years! Aha!

That's like saying "I ate a good steak but because it's gone it's not even good anymore" or "Yukimura charged at Osaka but died so that wasn't even that great" or "Nobunaga revolutionized gunfare in Japan but he doesnt do it anymore so it's not even that big of a deal" or "America had the first man on the moon but that was so long ago so it doesn't mean anything anymore" or "Japan doesn't recognize the Samurai class anymore so samurai weren't important in history or had any affect on Japan's history."

Holy hell that was great.
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Yukimura built a barbican not a barricade at Osaka. There's a big f'ing difference. What Yukimura constructed was more like a fort or tower. And it beat the sh*t out of the Ii army during the First Osaka Campaign.
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May 16 2007, 05:32 AM
Yukimura built a barbican not a barricade at Osaka. There's a big f'ing difference. What Yukimura constructed was more like a fort or tower. And it beat the sh*t out of the Ii army during the First Osaka Campaign.

The description about the Sanada-Maru states that it was a barricade, but you can call it a castle since the term ''Maru'' is in their. The fact that he repelled Naotaka's attack doesn't make him that great, he was fighting a defensively and it was much easier for him then for Naotaka.
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