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| Topic Started: Feb 21 2006, 09:05 PM (10,080 Views) | |
| Karai | Feb 21 2006, 09:05 PM Post #1 |
Tiger General
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Who do you think should be in it? And if this is in the wrong place, I'm sorry. In terms of history, I've currently acquired this list, with a maximum of 4 people listed for each clan as of yet. And there'll still be some more to slide in, and the ones in (brackets) are ones I may consider. Also, I am well aware that the Takeda, Uesugi and Hojo may not count as northern, but they do in this case. And I'll add the Sanada there soon. Northern Honshu Uesugi: Uesugi Kenshin, Uesugi Kagekatseu, Usami Sadamitsu, Naoe Kanetsugu Takeda: Takeda Shingen, Takeda Katsuyori, Baba Nobufasa, Naitô Masatoyo (Masakage Yamagata) Hôjô: Hôjô Ujiyasu, Hôjô Ujimasa, Fuuma Kotaro, Matsuda Norihide Date: Date Masamune, Date Shigezane, Katakura Kagetsuna Mogami: Mogami Yoshiakira, Ashina/Satake: Ashina Moriuji, Ashina Morishige, Satake Yoshishige, Satake Yoshinobu Sanada: Kyushu Ôtomo: Ôtomo Yoshishige, Ôtomo Yoshimune, Tachibana Dosetsu, Tachibana Muneshige Ryûzôji: Ryûzôji Takanobu, Ryûzôji Nobuchika, Ryûzôji Masaie, Nabeshima Naoshige (ENJÔJI Nobutane, HAYAKUTAKE Tomokane, KINOSHITA Masanao, NARIMATSU Nobukatsu) Shimazu: Shimazu Yoshihisa, Shimazu Yoshihiro, Tanegashima Tokitada, Tanegashima Hisatoki (Shimazu Takahisa) Shikoku Ichijô: Ichijô Kanesada, Ôtomo Sorin Chosokabe: Chosokabe Motochika, Chosokabe Morichika, Hisatake Chikanao, Kira Chikasada Southern Honshu Môri: Amako or Ouchi: Central Honshu Azai/Asakura: Oda: Tokugawa: Toyotomi: Ikko-Ikki: EDIT: Also, I realise that this'll mean a lot of people, but I don't really care that much. After you guys have suggested more to me I'll put the ones who are in in italics, the ones who SHOULD be in in bold. |
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| Blue_Eyes_Oni | Feb 21 2006, 09:11 PM Post #2 |
Emperor's Retainer
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Kirigakure Saizo and Sarutobi Sasuke. They're with Yukimura and that's all I can think of... This game might need some ninja... |
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| Wo Long | Feb 21 2006, 09:39 PM Post #3 |
Dragon of the Abyss
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Miyamoto Musashi. He was on the defending/losing side of Osaka Castle which was a very important battle. Plus, he was one of the greatest samurais of the era and the greatest swordsman ever(IMO). But...I know he's gonna be in SW2 so I guess he doesn't count. My vote would be for Masanori Fukushima for Tokugawa's forces and Katsuie Shibata and Toshiie Maeda for Nobunaga's forces. They've added Nagamasa Azai who was my choice for the next leader(well, second choice since Tokugawa was my first but everyone knew he was gonna be in it). |
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Miyamoto Musashi Perk: Niten-Ichi (Musashi's attack is up permanently in any duels.) Calm before the storm: Musashi may counter the next move his opponent makes and deals 2x the damage. 1/2 chance of working. Wise one: Tactics used by Musashi have a much higher chance of succeeding. Ganryu Slayer: When fighting other Wandering Ronin, Musashi may use this to increase his attack exponentially. War: 96 ---------- 
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| Karai | Feb 21 2006, 10:03 PM Post #4 |
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Katsuie Shibata in (apaprently) a unique NPC, so he don't count. And if I were in charge, I'd axe Musashi and Kojiro. |
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| Saurolisk | Feb 21 2006, 10:07 PM Post #5 |
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We'll worry about that after SW2:XL is announced. |
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| NobuNaga | Feb 21 2006, 10:58 PM Post #6 |
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wutever dudes as long as Keijis there ill keep on playin'
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| Wo Long | Feb 21 2006, 11:30 PM Post #7 |
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Axe Musashi?! Never! They wouldn't do that! Especially since SW3 will probably be on the PS3, they could afford to keep him in the next installment. Even though he wasn't really a stand-out general, there is no doubting his greatness when it came to swordsmanship. And let's not forget that he wrote the Book of Five Rings and fought some important battles(Osaka for one). Some deserve the spot more than him, I agree. But there are also people that deserve the spot more than Nene, Nouhime, Hanzo, Magoichi, etc. Musashi won't be the only one who isn't really "worthy". Plus, they like him enough to create a custom NPC rival for him so I doubt they'd axe him. Edit: Also, there is mention that Musashi fought at Sekigahara as a common soldier(though there isn't any solid proof). And since SW2 is focusing on Sekigahara rather than Okehazema, it'd be fitting to have him rather than Yoshimoto who they ditched. |
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Miyamoto Musashi Perk: Niten-Ichi (Musashi's attack is up permanently in any duels.) Calm before the storm: Musashi may counter the next move his opponent makes and deals 2x the damage. 1/2 chance of working. Wise one: Tactics used by Musashi have a much higher chance of succeeding. Ganryu Slayer: When fighting other Wandering Ronin, Musashi may use this to increase his attack exponentially. War: 96 ----------
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| Karai | Feb 22 2006, 12:01 AM Post #8 |
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Tiger General
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I said if I were in charge I'd axe him. I don't see him playing a part in a lot of battles, whereas many other people could be included in many with at least some historical reasoning. |
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| Wo Long | Feb 22 2006, 12:18 AM Post #9 |
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Musashi did accomplish quite a bit actually. Click Here That's his bio. Again, he might not deserve the spot as much as some people(Toshiie Maeda, Masanori Fukushima, and Naomasa Ii), but was a great warrior nonetheless. Besides, no one deserves the dual-katanas more than him and his appearance is awesome. There's no denying that he'll be a great character, even if you don't think he deserves a spot. Look at Dynasty Warriors. They have almost 50 characters and many are very unimportant(Guan Ping, Dian Wei, Zhu Rong) or are fictonal(Xing Cai and Zuo Ci). They have yet to axe anyone except Nu Wa and Fu Xi and still those characters have become people's favorites and are fun to play. I think Musashi will be the same since he'll obviously have an awesome moveset with two swords and his appearance shouts "badass". |
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Miyamoto Musashi Perk: Niten-Ichi (Musashi's attack is up permanently in any duels.) Calm before the storm: Musashi may counter the next move his opponent makes and deals 2x the damage. 1/2 chance of working. Wise one: Tactics used by Musashi have a much higher chance of succeeding. Ganryu Slayer: When fighting other Wandering Ronin, Musashi may use this to increase his attack exponentially. War: 96 ----------
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| LoW | Feb 22 2006, 12:20 AM Post #10 |
This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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Musashi is already in SW2 in case you didn't know. He wields 2 steel swords (bah, looks like he doesn't have his wooden sword...) I would like to see Toshiie Maeda. Another officer for Oda though, but he also served Katsuei Shibata in Shizukatage and then later joined to Toytomi. He was head of the Maeda clan and one of the leading generals for both Nobunaga and Hideyoshi since he was loyal and truted by them. I think he could add much new scenes with current characters, especially with Keiji, since Keiji after all hated him. He could also be included in many stages, like Komagi-Nagakute, Shizukatage, Nagashino and many more. He would be really good add indeed. One more thing... when I heard that Toshiie is going to be playable in Sengoku Basara I was so excited "Yay, finally I'm able to try Toshiie in hack 'n slash game!", but then Devil Kings was announced and said that 4 characters from SB are going to be NPCs... and just for my luck it inlcuded Toshiie (Lark). My disappointment was huge... and I'm still waiting for the day when I'm able to play as him in hack 'n slash game. Oh and Wo Long, most of the stuff, which is known from Musashi cannot be proven or is only said to be legend. Despite of that, I personally think that he was great warrior but it's just not possible to proof all of his accomplishements. |
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| Blue_Eyes_Oni | Feb 22 2006, 12:25 AM Post #11 |
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The game isn't suppose to be really historical accurate. If its really historical accurate then the game would be really boring. So I say that they should add Musashi and give the game some flavor.
Maybe in the next sequel  . The only person I want to play is Motochika(Arslen). I hope they add him to DK2(if there is such thing). Well, they better add him...cause he is one of the first announced character for SB2.
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| Inspector Trout | Feb 22 2006, 12:37 AM Post #12 |
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Takeda:Shingen Takeda,Katsuyori Takeda,Nobufusa Baba,Masakage Yamagata,Masatoyo Naito,Kansuke Yamamoto,Nobushige Takeda Uesugi:Kenshin Uesugi,Kagekatsu Uesugi,Kanetsugu Naoe,Sadamitsu Usami,Kagetsuna Naoe,Kageie Kakizaki,Yataro Onikojima Hojo:Ujimasa Hojo,Ujiyasu Hojo,Kotaro Fuma,Norihide Matsuda,Ujinori Hojo,Tsunashige Hojo Date:Masamune Date,Shigezane Date,Kojuro Katakura,Nobuyasu Goto,Terumune Date Mogami:Yoshiakira Mogami Ashina/Satake:Moriuji Ashina,Morishige Ashina,Yoshishige Satake,Yoshinobu Satake Sanada:Masayuki Sanada,Yukimura Sanada,Sasuke Sarutobe,Nobuyuki Sanada,Mino Kaneko,Yoritsuna Yazawa,Yorisada Yazawa Mori:Motonari Mouri,Hidemoto Mouri,Katsunaga Mouri,Ekei Ankokuji,Hiroie Kikkawa Oda:Nobunaga Oda,Toshiie Maeda,Keiji Maeda,Ranmaru Mori,Oichi,Noh,Katsuie Shibata,Kazumasu Takigawa,Nagahide Niwa,Nobutada Oda,Nobukatsu Oda,Hirohide Hirate Tokugawa:Ieyasu Tokugawa,Hanzo Hattori,Tadakatsu Honda,Ina,Hidetada Tokugawa,Naomasa Ii,Yasumasa Sakakibara,Tadatsugu Sakai,Naotaka Ii,Tadamasa Honda,Yasukatsu Sakakibara,Yasuharu Wakisaka Toyotomi:Hideyoshi Hashiba,Hideyori Toyotomi,Tsuneoki Ikeda,Nagayoshi Mori,Matabei Goto,Mitsunari Ishida,Sakon Shima,Yoshitsugu Otani,Masanori Fukushima,Tadaoki Hosokawa,Fujitaka Hosokawa,Takatora Todo,Hideaki Kobayakawa,Teruzumi Akashi,Shigenari Kimura Chosokabe:Motochika Chosokabe,Morichika Chosokabe,Chikasada Kira,Chikanao Hisatake Shimazu:Yoshihiro Shimazu,Yoshihisa Shimazu,Tokitada Tanegashima,Hisatoki Tanegashima,Takahisa Shimazu Ryuzoji:Takanobu Ryuzoji,Nobuchika Ryuzoji,Masaie Ryuzoji,Naoshige Nabeshima,Nobutane Enjoji,Tomokane Hayakutane,Masanao Kinoshita,Nobukatsu Narimatsu Otomo:Yoshishige Otomo,yoshimune Otomo,Dousetsu Tachibana,Ginchiyo Tachibana,Muneshige Tachibana Ichijo:Kanesada Ichijo,Sorin Otomo Saito:Yoshitatsu Saito,Tatsuoki Saito,Bokuzen Ujiie,Ittetsu Inaba,Morinari Ando Amago:Yoshihisa Amago,Tamekiyo Misawa,Korenari Kamei,Hisatsuna Tachihara,Tsunehiro Yonehara,Hisatada Kumano Azai/Asakura:Nagamasa Azai,Masazumi Azai,Naoyori Shinjo,Yoshitsugu Maeba,Kagetake Asakura,Yoshikage Asakura Ikko-Ikki:Kennyo Honganji,Magoichi Saiga,Rairyu Shimozuma,Rairen Shimozuma,Shigenori Suzuki Imagawa:Yoshimoto Imagawa,Ujizane Imagawa,Motonobu Okabe,Munenobu Matsui,Naomori Ii,Ujimoto Katsurayama,Motozane Abe,Nagateru Udono and that's my list of characters i want to see in sw 3 some of them will be playable and some will be NPC. |
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| Wo Long | Feb 22 2006, 05:05 AM Post #13 |
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I know he's in the game. I said I wanted him most, but it maybe didn't count since I knew he would be in it(it was my initial post in this thread). I then continued to debate his worthiness of being in the game. Also, I think Koei realised that no one liked Masamune's swords, so that's probably why he doesn't have it. Plus, he didn't start using it until he was like 29 or something. He was famous for his ability to wield two swords simultaneously so it's fitting.
I know, but this game isn't pure fact anyway. Besides, if they did assume they were true(since there is a legend about them, there must be some sort of fact behind them which means there is more chances they are historical than not), he would make an extremely interesting character and would have a very unique storyline. |
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Miyamoto Musashi Perk: Niten-Ichi (Musashi's attack is up permanently in any duels.) Calm before the storm: Musashi may counter the next move his opponent makes and deals 2x the damage. 1/2 chance of working. Wise one: Tactics used by Musashi have a much higher chance of succeeding. Ganryu Slayer: When fighting other Wandering Ronin, Musashi may use this to increase his attack exponentially. War: 96 ----------
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| Hondam | Feb 22 2006, 09:18 AM Post #14 |
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EcksDee. Musashi was on the Tokugawa side during Osaka, 'FYI.' And he wasn't important at all during the Sengoku Jiidai. He only became 'famous' in the Tokugawa era. |
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| Karai | Feb 22 2006, 09:30 AM Post #15 |
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Yukimura never fought for the Takeda. And his name isn't even Yukimura, he's named after Takeda Nobushige. At the time of Nagashino he was roughly eight, and by the time the Takeda had been demolished he was around 15. Otherwise the list you named seems to be good. Apart from the fact that you didn't mention the Kyushu clans. |
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| LoW | Feb 22 2006, 02:26 PM Post #16 |
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That's not even sure was Muasashi at Osaka or not when Ieyasu attacked there...
I wouldn't have nothing against wooden swords with Musashi, since he used them after he won Kojiro in duel. It would actually be pretty cool to slaughter hard armored samurais with wooden bokken :rolleyes:. He probably has interesting story in game, especially Sekigahara since he was ONLY a normal footsoldier at that battle. |
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| BlackKite | Feb 22 2006, 02:53 PM Post #17 |
東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object.
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Chousokabe Motochika: Daimyo of Tosa, Shikoku Mouri Motonari / Terumoto: Daimyo of Aki, Chugoku Sanada Nobuyuki: Yukimura's brother, Ina-hime's husband Honganji Kennyo: Leader of Ishiyama Honganji which Magoichi supported Takenaka Hanbei: Hideyoshi's strategist; Said as the Zhuge Liang of Sengoku Katakura Kojuurou: Masamune's chief retainer Yamanaka Shikanosuke: Valiant warrior from Chugoku Mogami Yoshiaki: Masamune's ally and father-in-law Satake Yoshishige: Daimyo of Hitachi, Masamune's enemy. Could be effective for Suriagehara Hojo Ujiyasu / Ujimasa: Owner of Odawara Castle Ukita Naoie / Hideie: Daimyo of Bizen, Chugoku Ootomo Sourin: Daimyo of Bungo, Kyushu Ryuuzouji Takanobu: Daimyo of Hizen, Kyushu Nabeshima Naoshige: Ryuuzouji retainer Tachibana Dousetsu: Father of Ginchiyo Takahashi / Tachibana Muneshige: Ginchiyo's husband, actual leader of Tachibana Ii Naomasa: Tokugawa Shi-Ten-Ou Sakai Tadatsugu: Tokugawa Shi-Ten-Ou Sakakibara Yasumasa: Tokugawa Shi-Ten-Ou Uesugi Kagekatsu: Next Uesugi Daimyo after Kenshin Matsukura Shigenobu: Also known as Ukon, Tsutsui retainer. (U in Ukon = Right as opposed to Sa in Sakon = Left) Imagawa Yoshimoto: Daimyo of Suruga Taigen Sessai: Yoshimoto's advisor Ishikawa Goemon: The famed thief ninja Saitou Toshimitsu: Loyal Akechi retainer, could be effective as Mitsuhide's ally. Akechi Hidemitsu: Mitsuhide's cousin, could be effective as his ally. Also known as Samanosuke.... |
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| LoW | Feb 22 2006, 04:44 PM Post #18 |
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Hmm... I doubt that Koei is not going to add all of them and especially not that much at the same time, but those are good choices though. Nobuyuki could probably make Yukimura's story a little more interesting but there's already Shingen though, so he isn't that necessary just yet. And I also don't see a point adding officers to Masamune since currently, Koei doesn't seem to concentrate much to him and his battles. Also, there's no point to put Yoshimoto back in series until he actually gets more battles, in SW he only had Okehazama and rest of his story was just total fiction, they should have made it little more historical but I guess not. Hopefully in XL, if he makes a comeback. Oh, and wasn't Goemon more like bandit than ninja? I think he stealed more than spied other lords... but I agree with you about one thing though, Koei should add more characters from different clans like from Hojo, Mouri, Hosokowa and Asakura. |
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| Inspector Trout | Feb 22 2006, 07:06 PM Post #19 |
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then did he fight for the Sanada or the Toyotomi? |
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| Karai | Feb 22 2006, 07:36 PM Post #20 |
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Yes, he did fight for the Sanada (iirc) and he of course fought at Osaka Castle. |
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| Hondam | Feb 23 2006, 01:52 AM Post #21 |
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Uh, Yukimura's true name was Nobushige, but he was known as Yukimura. It's not like Koei made it up on the spot. And yes, I have no clue why Yukimura is always portrayed as serving the Takeda. He was 7 when Shingen died. His dad served Shingen, but not Yukimura. |
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Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness. Arigato to Blackkite. Kirigakure Saizo, Hattori Hanzou, Sasaki Kojiro, Ii Naomasa, and Tachibana Muneshige for SB3! | |
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| Sasaki Kojirou | Feb 23 2006, 02:01 AM Post #22 |
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Ha, that reminds me, how his bokuto in Kengou 3 is actually a boat oar. I do agree, that a bokuto Musashi would be awesome, and a lot more fitting for him, though famous for two swords, he didn't seem to like using them often. Anyway, considering Sengoku Musou is for the most part, a lot of fiction mixed with historical events. I don't see why they couldn't toss Kojirou on the opposing side of Sekigahara, that'd be a nice little fight, Musashi and Kojirou at Sekigahara. Yeah, I got the idea from バガボンド. |
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| Hondam | Feb 23 2006, 02:17 AM Post #23 |
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Idea from Bagabonto? >_> |
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Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness. Arigato to Blackkite. Kirigakure Saizo, Hattori Hanzou, Sasaki Kojiro, Ii Naomasa, and Tachibana Muneshige for SB3! | |
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| Sasaki Kojirou | Feb 23 2006, 02:57 AM Post #24 |
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The manga, about Musashi. |
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| Hondam | Feb 23 2006, 03:36 AM Post #25 |
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Ah. Never heard of it. |
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Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness. Arigato to Blackkite. Kirigakure Saizo, Hattori Hanzou, Sasaki Kojiro, Ii Naomasa, and Tachibana Muneshige for SB3! | |
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