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Who Should Be In The Next Sw Game
Topic Started: Feb 21 2006, 09:05 PM (10,088 Views)
Seraphil
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Updated previous, added Akechi clan and buffed up all rosters. Yes, the Takayama were originally Miyoshi retainers.

And no, I don't want Matsu. Like I said, this list is if I went off what I want, and all the undeserved praise and hype Matsu continuously gets puts me off her completely.
Edited by Seraphil, Oct 25 2008, 01:12 AM.
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Seraphil
Oct 25 2008, 01:10 AM
And no, I don't want Matsu. Like I said, this list is if I went off what I want, and all the undeserved praise and hype Matsu continuously gets puts me off her completely.
You can't judge someone like that. Did she asked those people to praise her? No. She originally was a warrior, unlike all the other female characters. Judge the character, not the actions towards her.

I think we would also need some Imagawa retainers. Asahina Yasutomo (?) would be a good 'loyal follower' and Imagawa Ujizane would go on and continue the Imagawa after Yoshimoto's death.
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Oct 24 2008, 08:42 AM
Yagyu Jubei
William Adams

These guys falls into the same category of Mushashi, and Sasaki.
Like both their time of fame is really after the wars have ended and Japan was unified. For William Adams the man was a prisoner for 10 years before released while the battles were going on. I for one would rather have characters that live or have some involment during the time of the Warring State era.

Yasuke should be part of SW series.
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Seraphil
Oct 24 2008, 08:42 AM
Yagyu Jubei
William Adams

These guys falls into the same category of Mushashi, and Sasaki.
Like both their time of fame is really after the wars have ended and Japan was unified. For William Adams the man was a prisoner for 10 years before released while the battles were going on. I for one would rather have characters that live or have some involment during the time of the Warring State era.

Musashi? His first battle was the Battle of Sekigahara, and his last battle was the Battle of Osaka Castle. How come his time of fame was not in SW?
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Musashi? His first battle was the Battle of Sekigahara, and his last battle was the Battle of Osaka Castle. How come his time of fame was not in SW?
He mentions it in his book himself and there are no true account for him being involved in the battle. Even if he was part of it the battle he had little or no impact what so ever in the battle. He becomes a legend after Japan is unified. I would rather not have him part of the game along with Sasaki, and Okuni since they could be replaced with more important and could improve stories in SW series. In the end I do not see why add people like Mushashi, Sasaki, Yagyu, William, Okuni, and others that made the most impact after Japan was unified or something else. If they were all added I would think that should give Yasuke a chance also. I get dissed by many for mentioning Yasuke to be included in SW series and what not. Not just Yasuke (who in fact was Jinsuke something in Oda Nobunaga battle of Honnoji Revolt in SW2), but also Father Xavier who was in Japan for many years.

Anyways hope to see more info on this game come next year. Thank the heavens Wii is cheap if you got the money for it and not hit bad by the economy decline.
Yasuke should be part of SW series.
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Yasuke could also add some foreign influence into series. I didn't mind characters like Van Kyre, Sanchez and Frois in Kessen 3. Europe was pretty active in Japan during Sengoku Jidai and it's sad to see their completely ignored in SW (I thought Gracia would change things a bit since she was a Christian, after all. Unfortunetly, KOEI somehow managed to mess her up >_>).
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Okay, a bit of a late response here...

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You can't judge someone like that. Did she asked those people to praise her? No. She originally was a warrior, unlike all the other female characters. Judge the character, not the actions towards her.


I sure as heck can. Why should I want a character that people fap to in excessive amounts more than other deserving characters? It's the same reason I'm adverse to having Toyotomi Hideyori, Baba Nobufusa or Cheng Pu instead of other more interesting figures that can add as much and/or more.

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These guys falls into the same category of Mushashi, and Sasaki.
Like both their time of fame is really after the wars have ended and Japan was unified. For William Adams the man was a prisoner for 10 years before released while the battles were going on. I for one would rather have characters that live or have some involment during the time of the Warring State era.


And your point being? Yagyu Jubei can just as well be an amalgam of Sekishusai, Munenori, and Jubei himself. It's not like Koei hasn't done that before.

I understand wanting only characters who lived during the time, but limiting the choice so narrowly is something I don't care for. I'm already limiting myself by not picking out tons of guys from the early Sengoku era that I'd want in.

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Musashi? His first battle was the Battle of Sekigahara, and his last battle was the Battle of Osaka Castle. How come his time of fame was not in SW?


His last battle is likely to be the Shimabara Rebellion in Kyushu, actually. In his book, he states that he participated in five battles; if we start with Sekigahara, there's five major battles(among a few smaller ones) from then until the Shimabara Rebellion for him to have fought in.

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He mentions it in his book himself and there are no true account for him being involved in the battle. Even if he was part of it the battle he had little or no impact what so ever in the battle.


It's still a notable folklore about him. SW(and DW for that matter) is not a purely history-based game, it draws material from legend and folklore as well.

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I would rather not have him part of the game along with Sasaki, and Okuni since they could be replaced with more important and could improve stories in SW series.


Improving stories is up to the writers' ability, not necessarily the characters included.

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In the end I do not see why add people like Mushashi, Sasaki, Yagyu, William, Okuni, and others that made the most impact after Japan was unified or something else.


Because they are all major cultural figures associated with the time period.

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If they were all added I would think that should give Yasuke a chance also. I get dissed by many for mentioning Yasuke to be included in SW series and what not.


How does this give Yasuke a chance? He has nowhere near the notability of the others mentioned, and is mainly a minor, interesting footnote about Nobunaga.

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Not just Yasuke (who in fact was Jinsuke something in Oda Nobunaga battle of Honnoji Revolt in SW2),


Yuasa Jinsuke Naomune was an Oda retainer who served Nobunaga since the Battle of Okehazama, I believe fought under Takigawa Kazumasu at Nagashino, and was killed at Honnoji.

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but also Father Xavier who was in Japan for many years.


I would have picked Francis Xavier, however he was another guy who lived before the current timeline in SW. I may make additions to my list to include these guys from early Sengoku era.
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Well I think that all of these are great ideas. Especially yours Seraphil. As I keep forgetting exactly how many different important clans there are that aren't represented in the game. Though I do think it would be interesting to have Yasuke in the game. And I'm personally hoping that Musashi, Kojiro, and Okuni make it back in. They add a little more spice back into the game.
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I've heard that SW3 might really be putting Ujimasa Hojo in, and I hope that it's true. The Hojo clan is a decently sized clan in history and someone's gotta lead them.
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i want more chars from imagawa(the story is bad in sw2 xl with only yoshimoto)-takeda(let us see katsuyori's defeat by at least a third guy's angle)-uesugi(the civil war on the uesugi viewed by at least a thrid guy(kageie,for example) view point)-date(it's expansion in oshu)-mori(come on,they were the strongest in western honshu)-hojo(kotaro was not the only great officer in hojo's ranks)
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With the current Yoshimoto, no matter how much officers they put for him, he will still be boring.

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i've got a great storyline for yoshitatsu saito:
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saito
description:a great daimyo,who gave his father a coup d'etat.his weapons are two guns
stages:
1st:rebellion in mino(saito rebels vs oda-saito)
saito rebels:
yoshitatsu saito
tatsuoki saito
hanbei takenaka
morinari ando
bokuzen ujiie
ittetsu inaba
reinf:none
saito-oda:
dosan saito
noh
nobunaga oda
katsuie
toshiie
hidetoshi
nobumori
yoshinari mori
nagayoshi mori
morishige sakuma
hideyoshi
hidenaga
nagahide
koroku
reinf:none
field:north:castle west:2 bases east:a valley center:river with 3 bridges
south:your main camp
conditions:victory:defeat dosan
defeat:tatsuoki or yoshitatsu is defeated,or main camp is taken
simple.morinari will charge from west,bokuzen from the center,ittetsu in the east.help them,and everything will be fine.defend your main camp from hashiba and niwa.then destroy dosan.good stage to lvl up(you will need)
now,i'll say his weapons and the first 2 cutscenes
weapons:
1st:mino's guns
2nd:saito's guns
3rd:guns of greed
4th:legendary guns
5th:guns of legacy
cutscenes:
1st:prove of might(before mino)
2nd:heavy expectations(after mino)
3rd:expected betrayal
4th:sensing danger
5th:an adequate decision
6th:mighty alliance
7th:moving to the capital
8th:turned tide
9th:settling a score
10th:worthy of a legacy
1st cutscene:prove of might
yoshitatsu is at mt inaba.he remembers a talk he had with his father...
Yoshitasu Saito:father,why should we help nobunaga?he is just a weakling.
Dosan Saito:listen son.from your words,you would ally with imagawa.but i see bigger picture.
YS:i see.nobunaga has potential,but the tides are with imagawa.
DS:my son,when you see,you'll be the greatest os saito.for now,i give you mt inaba castle.take care of it and farewell.(ride off with his horse)
(fflashback goes down)now i see father.i see nobunaga's potential and mine too.(calls his men)hanbei,mino three,my son.i know you won't approve what i will do,but our enemy is at mino castle
2nd:heavy expectations:
yoshitatsu now talks with morinari ando,one of the mino three...
YS:morinari, my father is down.tell the others that i'll need their service.
MA:well master,we want to serve you,but you must fulfill master dosan's wish.
YS:what was my father's wish?
MA:your father saw nobunaga as a threat,and he had a vision that only one of these three could stop nobunaga:shingen,kenshin,and you,my lord.but he said that if you die,we should serve nobunaga.
YS:i see.i will fulfill his wish morinari.and i know where to start.let us go and regroup at inabayama.(his men start to increase their pace,and they head for mt inaba)
2nd stage,and 3rd and 4th cutscenes coming soon!
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ZZ, please use space and i don't think this is the right thread to post about stories.
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where is it then?and i am using spaces,but i only use one space.but, give me a sincere opinion.was my story good or bad?
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Maybe a thread like that has been locked. You better ask a mod.

And maybe space wasn't the problem, it's just that you may have to use capital letters.

EDIT: Your idea of Yoshitatsu's story was pretty good.
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tell me where i can put my storylines for future sw(not sw3,as it would be useless),and i will give ya worthy stories,like stories for toshimitsu saito,the continuation of yoshitatsu's,that i wrote in a sheet paper,and many other guys storylines.also,i will make stories for the old chars too
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@Zhuge Zhan: I did make a topic for that. I don't remember where it went though. Perhaps the mods put it in the SW3 thread.

Forgot the list on the former page. This is just what I want for the next SW:

- Sorin Otomo
- Takanobu Ryuzoji
- Dosetsu Tachibana
- Dosan Saito
- Yoshitatsu Saito
- Chokei Miyoshi
- Hisahide Matsunaga
- Otani Yoshitsugu
- Naomasa Ii
- Toyohisa Shimazu
- Ekei Ankokuji
- Takeyoshi Murakami

That's it. Focus less on Nobunaga: he was just another lord like Shingen, Kenshin and Ujiyasu. He doesn't deserve such high praise when there were so many other great lords around.
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Yoshikage Asakura
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Those would be my top suggestions. Might have forgotten some :unsure:
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