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Topic Started: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:11 pm (5,621 Views)
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Yeah, I've heard that clones are exactly the same as their originals, but.. If DK were to be the same as SB, it should be exactly the same sans the translation from Japanese -> English, like keep the Sengoku setting and cherish maps, no? :)
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This topic = dumb. Those rules = dumb.


It's almost like saying that since one changes the title and makes a few face changes to a novel, that the underlying plot, principles etc etc are completely unrelated to the original work.

Zabiis from SB = Q-ball from DK.
Masamune Date from SB = Azure Dragon from DK.

Devil Kings is just an upgraded SB with a few face changes.

Don't like it, ban me sucka.
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lolmizzle.

You're blind, I'm afraid.
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Sarutobi Sasuke
May 20 2006, 01:52 AM
lolmizzle.

You're blind, I'm afraid.

Pffh..

DK Red Minotaur will always equal SB Shingen Takeda, in my books. Why? Because I was one of the few NA gamers who tagged SB1 when it was first announced.

What's more, I say it is you two; yes both Honda and Alex, who are blind.

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May 19 2006, 10:39 PM
Sarutobi Sasuke
May 20 2006, 01:52 AM
lolmizzle.

You're blind, I'm afraid.

Pffh..

DK Red Minotaur will always equal SB Shingen Takeda, in my books. Why? Because I was one of the few NA gamers who tagged SB1 when it was first announced.

What's more, I say it is you two; yes both Honda and Alex, who are blind.

No no, goodsir.

You are the blind one. You cannot see the specifics of DK and SB, which make them completely different things.

We're anti-blind, technically.
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May 20 2006, 04:43 AM
MizzleSunBizzle
May 19 2006, 10:39 PM
Sarutobi Sasuke
May 20 2006, 01:52 AM
lolmizzle.

You're blind, I'm afraid.

Pffh..

DK Red Minotaur will always equal SB Shingen Takeda, in my books. Why? Because I was one of the few NA gamers who tagged SB1 when it was first announced.

What's more, I say it is you two; yes both Honda and Alex, who are blind.

No no, goodsir.

You are the blind one. You cannot see the specifics of DK and SB, which make them completely different things.

We're anti-blind, technically.

I do not ignore the differences, but they themselves do not register as significant-- in a grand sense.

1) Priming. Although I liked the idea, that feature alone doesn't make the games in their entirety 'different'.

2) Changed names. So what? Let's take you for example, Sasuke. You are still a royal, a lurker, a jerk and a noob-killer named Honda in my books >_>.. regardless of how many times you change your facade. I will continue to call you Honda, for the stated reasons.

3) Changed storyline lines/ Settings. Wrong. There isn't any storyline in either DK or SB. Why? Because there isn't a scripted narrative to draw from. There are, however, character relations...such as the Brambe/Lark---Toshiie Maeda/Matsu Maeda connection. Again, I ask you, why are Bramble/Lark husband and wife(butt-buddies) in as disgusting a manner as Toshiie Maeda/Matsu Maeda? Why do both sets of characters look, act, fight.. and share similar character relations?

The setting has changed, but does that really matter? The setting didn't essentially reflect character relations, and therefore has little, if any, relevance to the issue.


Conclusion: DK and SB are technically not the same, but they aren't radically different either. They aren't different enough as to where they require seperate message boards(as shown here), and the gameplay, character relations.. and basically everything else save a few obscure changes actually make them technically different.

DK is nothing more than an updated SB with a few face changes. Red Minotaur = Shingen Takeda etc on the most base of levels. End of discussion.
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MizzleSunBizzle
May 19 2006, 10:57 PM
Sarutobi Sasuke
May 20 2006, 04:43 AM
MizzleSunBizzle
May 19 2006, 10:39 PM
Sarutobi Sasuke
May 20 2006, 01:52 AM
lolmizzle.

You're blind, I'm afraid.

Pffh..

DK Red Minotaur will always equal SB Shingen Takeda, in my books. Why? Because I was one of the few NA gamers who tagged SB1 when it was first announced.

What's more, I say it is you two; yes both Honda and Alex, who are blind.

No no, goodsir.

You are the blind one. You cannot see the specifics of DK and SB, which make them completely different things.

We're anti-blind, technically.

I do not ignore the differences, but they themselves do not register as significant-- in a grand sense.

1) Priming. Although I liked the idea, that feature alone doesn't make the games in their entirety 'different'.

2) Changed names. So what? Let's take you for example, Sasuke. You are still a royal, a lurker, a jerk and a noob-killer named Honda in my books >_>.. regardless of how many times you change your facade. I will continue to call you Honda, for the stated reasons.

3) Changed storyline lines/ Settings. Wrong. There isn't any storyline in either DK or SB. Why? Because there isn't a scripted narrative to draw from. There are, however, character relations...such as the Brambe/Lark---Toshiie Maeda/Matsu Maeda connection. Again, I ask you, why are Bramble/Lark husband and wife(butt-buddies) in as disgusting a manner as Toshiie Maeda/Matsu Maeda? Why do both sets of characters look, act, fight.. and share similar character relations?

The setting has changed, but does that really matter? The setting didn't essentially reflect character relations, and therefore has little, if any, relevance to the issue.


Conclusion: DK and SB are technically not the same, but they aren't radically different either. They aren't different enough as to where they require seperate message boards(as shown here), and the gameplay, character relations.. and basically everything else save a few obscure changes actually make them technically different.

DK is nothing more than an updated SB with a few face changes. Red Minotaur = Shingen Takeda etc on the most base of levels. End of discussion.

...Uh.

1. It's not just priming. New moves/some taken out, Furys, etc.

2. Comparing a forum user changing names to a game doesnt work and is illogical. El silly.

3. "Zebra A =/= Zebra B" destroys that whole point. >_>

And I notice Alex is viewing the topic. Dont want him to go ura mode on yer ass, El Mizzle.
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SRS
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Waitwaitwait, you say Devil Kings is an UPGRADE from Sengoku BASARA, mizzle? :o
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Grape is right!!!!!!!!!!1111

O_o
If I buy the rights to Superman in another country, and change his name to "Strongman" in that country, is he not still Superman?
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May 20 2006, 08:06 AM
Grape is right!!!!!!!!!!1111

O_o
If I buy the rights to Superman in another country, and change his name to "Strongman" in that country, is he not still Superman?

Change his name? No.

Change his background, story, etc.? Yes.

Really not that hard to understand.
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But he is still superman no matter how you spin the story.
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May 20 2006, 11:09 AM
But he is still superman no matter how you spin the story.

No he isnt.

You guys really fail in trying to see this. (Except Gooseh. I LOVE MAH GOOSE)
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WE fail to see it? I think you do... DK is SB no matter what you say. They are listed under one topic in the forum, when you get two... let me know, then we can say they are not realted.
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May 20 2006, 11:42 AM
WE fail to see it? I think you do... DK is SB no matter what you say. They are listed under one topic in the forum, when you get two... let me know, then we can say they are not realted.

..XD.

Tell me, thatzhot798548ghkhjf;, how do I beat Nagashino campaign in Devil Kings? :/

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:lol: your funny! how you change subject like that! thats a hot way of avoiding! (PS: I doubble posted cause I forgot to quote you just in case you decide to change what you said)
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May 20 2006, 09:55 PM
thatzhot2141990
May 20 2006, 11:42 AM
WE fail to see it? I think you do... DK is SB no matter what you say. They are listed under one topic in the forum, when you get two... let me know, then we can say they are not realted.

..XD.

Tell me, thatzhot798548ghkhjf;, how do I beat Nagashino campaign in Devil Kings? :/

Tell me, how you cannot read my # when it is staring you in the face. I think I proved my point babe, you fail to see what is in front of you case closed zebra boy.
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How the dimwitted still thrive. You failed to see the blatantly obvious point. NS.

lolx2.
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May 20 2006, 10:36 PM
...EcksEffFugginDee.

How the dimwitted still thrive. You failed to see the blatantly obvious point. NS.

lolx2.

Same to you ;) muah

PS: I have another analogy for you, if you take Santa Clause, name him St. Nick, and chage the story, does he not do the same thing? (figurtivley of course :))
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How the stupid never cease to amaze.

Answer the question, darling.


Santa: No. His name isnt Santa, the stroy isnt Santa. GG.
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May 20 2006, 10:48 PM
How the stupid never cease to amaze.

Answer the question, darling.


Santa: No. His name isnt Santa, the stroy isnt Santa. GG.

You are amusing, you think very limitedly. They are the same game w/ a diff. name... deal w/ it! lol and yes i recognize gamplay differences, character names and storyline changes. But it's still the same thing... it's just wrapped in a different packaging! look at the screens and tell me you don't see the same thing.

PS: If u wanna talk about stupid... lemme bring up the zebras again! lol they crack me up babe! :lol:
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Wowies.

Thinking limited would mean thinking like you, hun. You're seeing nothing more than the same game. You take no notice of details. That's limitation.

I have loked at the screens. They arent the same thing. Sengoku BASARA has no devil armies. No Egyptian castles. No Devils.

PS: lol u wan talk bout stoopid den read ur posts *lol* they crck me up, rose.


And also, you've still failed to answer my question, hunny. That in itself has already proven anything you say now as insights to your stupidity.

:/
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May 20 2006, 08:02 PM
Wowies.

Thinking limited would mean thinking like you, hun. You're seeing nothing more than the same game. You take no notice of details. That's limitation.

I have loked at the screens. They arent the same thing. Sengoku BASARA has no devil armies. No Egyptian castles. No Devils.

PS: lol u wan talk bout stoopid den read ur posts *lol* they crck me up, rose.


And also, you've still failed to answer my question, hunny. That in itself has already proven anything you say now as insights to your stupidity.

:/

Then why does DK have Samurai?
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May 20 2006, 02:07 PM
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May 20 2006, 08:02 PM
Wowies.

Thinking limited would mean thinking like you, hun. You're seeing nothing more than the same game. You take no notice of details. That's limitation.

I have loked at the screens. They arent the same thing. Sengoku BASARA has no devil armies. No Egyptian castles. No Devils.

PS: lol u wan talk bout stoopid den read ur posts *lol* they crck me up, rose.


And also, you've still failed to answer my question, hunny. That in itself has already proven anything you say now as insights to your stupidity.

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Then why does DK have Samurai?

Is it illegal to have Samurai in games?

Onimusha? Shinobi? Kessen? Samurai Warriors? Shogun Total War? Any other damn game with Samurai in it?

That point isnt valid, El sizzle.
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This whole argument is stupid. Sengoku Basara and Devil Kings are not really that different but they still are different and therefore if Sasuke wants to decree that people should not talk about one in a thread about the other then he has the right to do so.
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May 20 2006, 08:24 PM
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May 20 2006, 02:07 PM
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May 20 2006, 08:02 PM
Wowies.

Thinking limited would mean thinking like you, hun. You're seeing nothing more than the same game. You take no notice of details. That's limitation.

I have loked at the screens. They arent the same thing. Sengoku BASARA has no devil armies. No Egyptian castles. No Devils.

PS: lol u wan talk bout stoopid den read ur posts *lol* they crck me up, rose.


And also, you've still failed to answer my question, hunny. That in itself has already proven anything you say now as insights to your stupidity.

:/

Then why does DK have Samurai?

Is it illegal to have Samurai in games?

Onimusha? Shinobi? Kessen? Samurai Warriors? Shogun Total War? Any other damn game with Samurai in it?

That point isnt valid, El sizzle.

Why does Azure Dragon (and every other character, for that matter) have the exact same FMV as Masamune Date in SB? Why do they look the same? Why do they fight similarly? Why do their similarities outweigh their differences? Again, DK and SB are not technically, given face value, the same.. but they aren't different enough to be touted as seperate series'. If anything, DK is just an updated spin-off with EXTRMEMELY close ties to it's progenitor. And that's only counting the superficial changes.

The point is, the rules you two have set here are elementary, at best. A person shouldn't get in trouble for 'confusing' Red Minotaur with Shingen Takeda from SB(heaven forbid they act, look, fight.. and have the same horns and axe.. the only difference being something as frivilous as names).

We can go back and forth forever, but know that every SB character is connected with their DK counterparts, and it isn't as simple as names.. Honda. They share more than looks and moves, they share souls. On a soul-level DK=SB, and most people realize this- me included.
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