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| Fayt | Apr 28 2008, 10:00 PM Post #51 |
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I love Toshiie in Kessen III, even more-so now after seeing what a fool they created him to be in SW2XL. In Kessen III he has confidence, and loads of it, SW2XL however he is just blindly obsessed with Katsuie, it's boring. Funny though, I find several of the characters in Kessen III to be far better then SW... |
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| Bishamonten | Apr 28 2008, 10:03 PM Post #52 |
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As do I. I find the Kessen games better overall... |
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| Marwaha | Apr 30 2008, 04:40 PM Post #53 |
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i really liked Keiji myself ^^ |
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| Manji | Jun 4 2008, 04:41 AM Post #54 |
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I agree with the statements about the characters being more likable in Kessen compared to their SW counterparts. They're just so much more fleshed out in Kessen... and their relationships with other characters in the series are deeper and more sincere. For instance, after Hideyoshi sees Nobunaga for the first time after Honnouji, Hideyoshi leaps off his horse and practically knocks Nobunaga off of his with a giant monkey GLOMP. I just loved that scene, because it shows how much Hideyoshi cared about his lord. We really don't see Hideyoshi showing that deep of affection for Nobunaga in SW. You could argue to say that Kessen Hideyoshi and SW Hideyoshi are different characters afterall, but still, the character interactions in SW are pretty much limited to brief dialog and... fighting. |
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| Shogun | Sep 15 2008, 08:42 PM Post #55 |
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Tokugawa Ieyasu, for some reason, he always ends up being my favorite character in both SW and Kessen games. His story is more in-depth in the Kessen series than people think, almost as if he's Nobunaga's apprentice. In Kessen 1, he has visions of Nobunaga, so remembering this, I was amazed by how they unexpectedly continued the story. Anybody else see how cool this is? To me, Kessen III felt like a prologue of the original Kessen. |
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| Fayt | Sep 15 2008, 09:47 PM Post #56 |
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In a way, yeah I agree. I remember in the original Kessen Tokugawa Ieyasu had visions back to Oda Nobunaga, and no doubt I think those small pieces in the first Kessen just helped Kessen III be that little bit better. His character did have great depth in the third as well (as did many really). They focused on his friendship with Oda ten years ago when Nobunaga helped him escape from enemy soldiers which taught him what it felt like to be free. That scene alone (even if fictional) was excellent, and helped the friendship between the two in the game indefinitely. Then of course, we learn that the only reason that Matsudaira Motoyasu (Ieyasu's former name) was fighting for the Imagawa was purely out of threat to his family. He was relieved when Yoshimoto was finally defeated and asked Honda Tadakatsu to be his retainer - who basically collapsed crying and said "I've always wanted for this day" or something like that as they then allied to the Oda clan. I love how the game used the multiple names for some characters as well, and the depth in the characters is outstanding, such a beautiful game... |
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| Nasser | Sep 16 2008, 02:56 PM Post #57 |
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I think I didn't post here, alot of characters in Kessen III are favourite of mine. Saizo Kani is my favourite but since he doesn't appear in any cutscene due to being a secret character, mine would be Toshiee Maeda. He's hilarious, loyal and pretty cool. He got damn high stats and reminds me of myself
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| Wei-Yan | Sep 16 2008, 04:48 PM Post #58 |
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i voted for Nobunaga Oda he so cool in the game i like that he grows older in the game and he has some cool armour also Katsuie Shibata i love kicking ass with him and Saizo Kani he just so powerful and also Keiji just because i like him in the sw series and he cool to be honest i like alot of characters Kazumusa Takigawa has a very powerfull ninja attack so i like him aswell |
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| Shogun | Sep 16 2008, 05:14 PM Post #59 |
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I also admired the villains in the game, there were just so many of them I couldn't remember them all. Akechi Mitsuhide - The antagonist of Kessen III, I kind of admired this character after everything he has been through. Exiled by Nobunaga, imprisoned by Yoshiaki. He even grew a beard! Saito Tatsuoki - One of the annoying, disgusting villains in the game that manages to kill Mori Yoshinari and annoy the hell out of Nobunaga. Uesugi Kenshin - Although not really a villain, Kenshin saw Nobunaga as a threat, so he tests Nobunaga in battle and claims that Nobunaga isn't worthy to face him yet. I was hoping he'd live long enough to be defeated by Nobunaga in the game... Takeda Shingen - The first Takeda cutscene that appeared after Okehazama was creepy, his portrayal was as excellent as the other characters. Matsunaga Hisahide - Also one of my favorite, although it was annoying facing him over and over again, I don't understand why Nobunaga didn't execute him after his second betrayal. Ashikaga Yoshiaki - My favorite of them all, I know he's pathetic, but he was the one pulling the strings from the beginning. Takeda, Uesugi, Saito, Asakura, Asai, Hosokawa, Shimazu, etc. He sent them all to handle Nobunaga while still managing to live up to the final battle. "Kessen" |
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| Fayt | Sep 16 2008, 09:57 PM Post #60 |
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Agreed on that point, even if Nobunaga was portrayed as a much more settled general then in Kessen III I can't believe he let him off the hook, twice. He should have been slain right there, and he still would have been far from evil. I agree totally on Ashikaga Yoshiaki, the way he was manipulating behind the scenes, even if he acted like a total fool his plotting against the Oda was done very well, and added much more interest to the game. Another character I took a major liking to was Shibata Katsuie, as Oda tried to rise to bring the land peace one of his first hurdles was getting the strength of Katsuie to his side. He was I believe the only one in the game to use "What, that fool of Owari?". And of course challenged him believing he was not fit to lead an army. Then as the game unfolded and he joined the Oda his role become a tussle with Hideyoshi of all people for Oichi's affection - which provided a few lighter moments. But he was also clearly annoyed when the arranged marriage with Nagamasa took place, as he should be. I actually liked how some of those major generals didn't live long enough to face the Oda to be defeated by him, it just gave the game a greater sense of realism. |
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| Oblivion | Sep 17 2008, 08:24 AM Post #61 |
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Mines would have tp be Hideyoshi, the way he acts and his rivalry with Katsuie are great highlights in the game, then would come Nobunaga and Katsuie, Toshiie and Nagahide after those 2... As far as females go, I like Amalia, personality is more appealing then Kicho or Yoshino Has anyone ever used Musashi, hes hard to get but hes worth the effort... |
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| Wei-Yan | Sep 18 2008, 05:04 PM Post #62 |
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ive only got one person from betting them in rampage the first guy a kyoto not sure what he's like though |
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| Manji | Sep 19 2008, 03:24 AM Post #63 |
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Amalia, I quite liked her as well, I'd say she was my favorite female too. Kicho, I didn't care much for her, I thought she was incredibly passive. She was always leading poor Mitsuhide on too... Nobunaga should have killed her in my opinion. She could have done a lot more to prevent Mitsuhide's attack on Honnoji... if I remember correctly. And Yoshino, I didn't like her much at first, but it was kinda sweet how she was so fond of Nobunaga... but a little creepy when he started to age but she didn't.  But yeah, Amalia's pretty cool, she knows how to get what she wants, if ya know what I mean. And to answer your question... I didn't even know you could get Musashi... >_>; |
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| Fayt | Sep 19 2008, 08:21 AM Post #64 |
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You can! He looks pretty generic in the game, but he is probably the hardest character to recruit. The only way you get him is by defeating him a dual (on the The Battle of Kizukawaguchi - Chapter 8). Thing is, his stats are so flaming high. You'd have to use someone like Nobunaga to pull it off and be pretty good at Rampage mode. Also, iirc when you defeat him he says something like "I've never been defeated before, so I'll join you" or something, the game does reference to his undefeated record though in some way. Although one character I would like to have seen is "Hideyoshi's wife". During the game Nobunaga talks about how he suddenly got married, yet we never seen her. Although we did see Amalia getting rather close to him at one stage! 
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| Shogun | Sep 19 2008, 09:17 AM Post #65 |
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That's one of the things that really bugged me in this game! I thought Yoshino's character was a lot better than Kicho's. I lol'd when Yoshiaki tried to trick her, if only I could remember that conversation. 
Musashi's available? I wish I knew these things two years ago, I hate myself for rushing through this game now. Weren't there more than one "Batte of Kizukawaguchi" in the game? It makes a lot of sense now, since Musashi served the Ukita, who were close to the Mouri. |
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| Nasser | Sep 19 2008, 11:12 PM Post #66 |
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Agreed. I also wished I knew Musashi was playable at that time :-\ And no, there is only one Kizukawaguchi stage in the game. I remember it perfectly, Musashi had this special unit "Two Heavens as one" it's how I noticed him, but back then I didn't know who is Musashi, I only knew him after SW2 but Kessen III's replayability value lasted till SW2 so I did know he is there. Maybe I ask, if you unlock him, do you get his special unit? |
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| Manji | Sep 20 2008, 03:57 AM Post #67 |
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Nene? Yeah, I remember that, but I think I also remember some dialogue between Katsuie and Hideyoshi in which they both admit they have feelings for Lady Oichi, or at least they both say they want to protect her or something. I also remember Hideyoshi speaking with Oichi in a cutscene at one point, while her daughter Cha Cha is playing around them, and if I'm not mistaken, he mentions that he likes her/cares about her and she tells him something but I can't remember what it is. >_< Anyone know which scene I'm referring too? So... Hideyoshi is basically the "philanderer" he's made out to be in SW. Or perhaps "hopeless romantic" would be a better term. Darn... I'm starting to wish I still had this game... I sold it to save up some money for my PS3... Also thanks for the info on Musashi Fayt, did you ever unlock him then?
Ahhh, that sounds funny, I can't even remember! *goes to search Kessen III videos on youtube* |
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| Wei-Yan | Sep 20 2008, 04:33 AM Post #68 |
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i remeber that cutscene pretty funny |
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| foomin | Sep 20 2008, 04:38 AM Post #69 |
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i had not thought of that scene in years. it makes the historical truth a little weirder and more disturbing, since Lady Yodogimi/Cha Cha later becomes his concubine. |
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| Manji | Sep 20 2008, 05:29 AM Post #70 |
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i had not thought of that scene in years. it makes the historical truth a little weirder and more disturbing, since Lady Yodogimi/Cha Cha later becomes his concubine. [/QUOTE] Yeah, no kidding, that's exactly what I was thinking while watching that movie... and she was like 7 years old at the most! He can't have the mom so he takes the daughter... haha, well, I still love Hideyoshi regardless. :lol: |
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| Seraphil | Sep 20 2008, 05:54 AM Post #71 |
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Oichi basically responds that she thinks Hideyoshi is too good for her, if I'm remembering the scene correctly. |
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| Manji | Sep 21 2008, 01:06 AM Post #72 |
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OH! Yes, you are right, I remember it now, thanks SRS! Hahah, I remember Hideyoshi just sort of gives her this weird, pitiful look in response. It was rather sad actually. |
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| Fayt | Sep 29 2008, 02:33 AM Post #73 |
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I didn't take note of that to be honest, all I remember he was very generic with massive states, possibly boosted by the decent Katana unit he had. And I did indeed unlock him Manji, I'll admit it took a few tries though. Firstly I tried Rampaging him with I believe Katsuie and he got owned - Toshiie suffered the same fate as well, neither of those two were strong enough for me to defeat him. I could only defeat him with my highest level Oda Nobunaga in the end. Also, giving whoever is going to do the Rampage (if it's not a Warrior unit) a Bodhi Juzu, or even a Warrior one really helps, that way you get two Kessen attacks at the start then as opposed to one. As for the Oichi part, yeah I remember Oichi saying "You’re too good for me" to Hideyoshi. He was the one in the game that pushed for Oichi's rescue from Nagamasa too. Originally iirc Mitsuhide ordered to set the place ablaze using the hill and the wind. But it would have likely killed Oichi as well. Then Katsuie quickly supported Hideyoshi's plot to split the battlefield to rescue her. The way both Hideyoshi and Katsuie interacted with each other involving Oichi was rather fascinating |
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| Oblivion | Sep 29 2008, 03:00 AM Post #74 |
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His Katana unit is the most powerful unit in its class, you only see one other person use it and thats a brigand leader during the Yamazaki Arc, not sure if you can unlock the unit on that stage. I actually had my brother unlock him, he used Katsuie and Toshiie to no avail and then managed to beat him with Nobunaga using alot of Kessen Attacks to do so. He had really high attack stats, among the top you will see and his usefullnes as a Generic far surpasses the likes of Saizo Kani. Yeah, the two had great interactions with each other, though I remember a time after a battle with the Mouri that Nobunaga was thinking of marrying her to Mitsuhide and Hideyoshi jumped up about it, it was pretty funny... 
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| StrikeForce9 | Sep 29 2008, 01:12 PM Post #75 |
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Hehe... Hideyoshi was a greedy monkey. He already had Nene (if I remember correctly that's Nobunaga's respond) |
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