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Samurai Warriors 2: Empires; Japan is in your hands!
Topic Started: Tue Jul 4, 2006 9:43 am (49,566 Views)
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Aug 20 2006, 04:25 PM
Did they put in a new character?!

i doubt it.
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Isn't the new characters are Koujirou & Katsuie?
Or maybe KOEI will add Nobuyuki Sanada and Yoshikage Asakura!! :lol:
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The new characters are Kojiro, Katsuie, Hojo Ujiyasu, and Chosokabe Morichika, after I looked up the births and deaths of the characters on Gamecity site, then went to Wikipedia and found their names.
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Anybody have pictures of the latter two? I thought they were just regular generic characters (meaning you can play them but they look and have the same movesets as generic NPCs; kind of like Yuan Shu and Yan Gang can be played in DW5: Empires but they are just generic officers).
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look here http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/07...,57772,0,0.html i think Hojo and Chosokabe are in the info.
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Again, those just look like the generic officers that you frequently see in Samurai Warriors. In other words, many other officers in the game share that appearance I think.
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Aug 22 2006, 02:07 AM
Again, those just look like the generic officers that you frequently see in Samurai Warriors. In other words, many other officers in the game share that appearance I think.

Yep thats means only Kojiro and Katsuie will have a non generic moveset. Unless Koei decieds to add some new characters in the game.
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Aug 22 2006, 07:14 AM
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Aug 22 2006, 02:07 AM
Again, those just look like the generic officers that you frequently see in Samurai Warriors. In other words, many other officers in the game share that appearance I think.

Yep thats means only Kojiro and Katsuie will have a non generic moveset. Unless Koei decieds to add some new characters in the game.

like Kennyo and Yoshimoto or Motochika and Motonari in they're unique looks Sir?

Karl, stop typing in the american order. It;s pissing off alot of people, me included.

Warned next time you do it.
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Aug 22 2006, 06:25 AM
Lord_Dragon
Aug 22 2006, 07:14 AM
Lord Red Cloud
Aug 22 2006, 02:07 AM
Again, those just look like the generic officers that you frequently see in Samurai Warriors. In other words, many other officers in the game share that appearance I think.

Yep thats means only Kojiro and Katsuie will have a non generic moveset. Unless Koei decieds to add some new characters in the game.

like Kennyo Honganji and Yoshimoto Imagawa or Motochika Chosokabe and Motonari Mouri in they're unique looks Sir?

Pfft, we can only wish.
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Karl, stop typing in the american order. It;s pissing off alot of people, me included.

Warned next time you do it.


For the last freakin' time dude, you can't warn somebody for that. The western order is the order that is used in English Koei games so technically, since Karl could be talking about Samurai Warriors 2: Empires when it hits American shores, Karl could be stating the characters' names in the right (game-wise) order. Just because it's erroneous to post in the first name and then surname order when speaking about historical characters, doesn't mean you can persecute somebody for doing it. It's not against the rules to say Nobunaga Oda rather than Oda Nobunaga and, moreover, many people besides Inspector Trout prefer saying the names in the former order.

Edit-Look above. Shizu did the same thing and nobody's blaming Shizu for it, as nobody should. :/
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Wow, you're really into it, HT... Even myself wouldn't do something like that, and would rather counter with writing Mengde Cao and Bei Liu than editing the post itself... :o
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Aug 21 2006, 09:11 PM
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Karl, stop typing in the american order. It;s pissing off alot of people, me included.

Warned next time you do it.


For the last freakin' time dude, you can't warn somebody for that. The western order is the order that is used in English Koei games so technically, since Karl could be talking about Samurai Warriors 2: Empires when it hits American shores, Karl could be stating the characters' names in the right (game-wise) order. Just because it's erroneous to post in the first name and then surname order when speaking about historical characters, doesn't mean you can persecute somebody for doing it. It's not against the rules to say Nobunaga Oda rather than Oda Nobunaga and, moreover, many people besides Inspector Trout prefer saying the names in the former order.

Edit-Look above. Shizu did the same thing and nobody's blaming Shizu for it, as nobody should. :/

A) For the last time, dont get on my case about everything I post, ok? :o
B.) It's not a matter of 'omfg american order I MUST PURE UR ASS!!!1!'. You, slick, have not been here as long a Alex, Karl, or I have. You, Slick, do not know how many times Karl has been warned both through PM and an actual warning level since before you got here. You, slick, can't defend him any longer. The fact is that he IS doing something wrong. Is it cussing? No. Is it going to destroy the forum? No. Is it that he's going against the limitations we have asked him repeatedly to follow? Yes. Is it him constantly saying ' im so sorry dont warn me again sir im sorry i wont do it again sorry sir sir sir Tadakatsu honda sir' then goes against what we, as a staff BEFORE YOU Slick, have asked him to kindly stop? Yes.

So in short, whatever past bickering you have with me slick, dont get on my case. I'll handle the situation. ok? You, good sir, dont have a need to be an uptight ass at everything I do anymore. How about examine some of the other staff before me? :o

It isnt a matter of 'omg das so wrong honda Y U DO DAT U CANT OMFG STAFF RULEZ! U CANT DO DAT!'. This is not your matter to handle. It is mine, and it will be dealt with accordingly.

No hard feelings, though.

And Alex, ura doesnt work on Karl. At all.

Edit: You'll probably see this as an incentive to try and kick my ass. But as I said, no harm meant.
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A.) No k.

B.) Yes I do know how many times he's been warned Honda. He actually was at 25% when I first came here if I remember correctly. It was either that or 50%. In any case he was not at the 100% level, which he is at now. But that doesn't matter anyways. Whether he's at 100% or at 25%, he should be treated the same way as other members. If he's doing something that will neither hurt the forum or anybody else, then you should not be getting on his case. Moreover, you should be applying the rules you've made up to all other members. On the same page you warned him, I pointed out that there was at least one other member who used the 'western naming order.' Just because you have a rocky history with Trout doesn't mean you can make up new rules that you apply only to him. Once more, if you ARE going to warn him for such a thing then you have to warn all other people for breaking that rule, not just people who have a 100% warn level and/or you don't get along with.

C.) I'm not trying to stalk you and hunt down any errors I feel that you are making, I just happened to be browsing this subject (which is as interesting to me as most of the other members curious about Samurai Warriors/the Sengoku era) and noticed your warning threats. I don't feel they are justified for the aforementioned reasons and that is why I am arguing with you here and now. Now that I am equal in staff rank as you, I feel that I can challenge your decisions, just as you can challenge mine.

D.) Finally, as bad as Karl may have been in the past, you cannot just make up new rules as a pretext to give Karl more warnings/eventually get to ban him. The only people I know who blatantly loathe the 'western ordering' of Japanese names are you and Blackkite/Athrun Zala/Alex Dino. Most members just shrug it off. :/

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The fact is that he IS doing something wrong. Is it cussing? No. Is it going to destroy the forum? No. Is it that he's going against the limitations we have asked him repeatedly to follow? Yes.


If what he's doing isn't hurting the forum (which it really isn't) then there shouldn't be limitations against what he's doing, which MANY, MANY other people do.
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Aug 21 2006, 09:55 PM
A.) No k.

B.) Yes I do know how many times he's been warned Honda. He actually was at 25% when I first came here if I remember correctly. It was either that or 50%. In any case he was not at the 100% level, which he is at now. But that doesn't matter anyways. Whether he's at 100% or at 25%, he should be treated the same way as other members. If he's doing something that will neither hurt the forum or anybody else, then you should not be getting on his case. Moreover, you should be applying the rules you've made up to all other members. On the same page you warned him, I pointed out that there was at least one other member who used the 'western naming order.' Just because you have a rocky history with Trout doesn't mean you can make up new rules that you apply only to him. Once more, if you ARE going to warn him for such a thing then you have to warn all other people for breaking that rule, not just people who have a 100% warn level and/or you don't get along with.

C.) I'm not trying to stalk you and hunt down any errors I feel that you are making, I just happened to be browsing this subject (which is as interesting to me as most of the other members curious about Samurai Warriors/the Sengoku era) and noticed your warning threats. I don't feel they are justified for the aforementioned reasons and that is why I am arguing with you here and now. Now that I am equal in staff rank as you, I feel that I can challenge your decisions, just as you can challenge mine.

D.) Finally, as bad as Karl may have been in the past, you cannot just make up new rules as a pretext to give Karl more warnings/eventually get to ban him. The only people I know who blatantly loathe the 'western ordering' of Japanese names are you and Blackkite/Athrun Zala/Alex Dino. Most members just shrug it off. :/

B.) Ah, but slick, you've completely and utterly missed what I said. It's not the fact that Karl says NOBUNAGA ODA or MOTONARI MORI (That one sounds bad..). It's the fact that he's CONSTANTLY disregarding what we've ASKED him to STOP. The content included in said guidelines isnt relative. It's his behavior towards OUR guidelines towards him. If he went @ everyother word, then this would be about him constantly breaking a rule of us asking him to stop going @. Shizu hasnt been doing this for almost a year. I'm not on a crusade against every member in the SW or DW section because THEY ARENT BREAKING ANY RULES/THINGS/ETC THAT WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO STOP. Content is not relative. It's the rebel 'tude' seemingly flowing through Karl's thick-head.

C) If you try and read what I'm saying, it's perfectly justified and every damn staff member from my time should be after his ass on this.

D) Western order doesnt piss me off. It's the annoyance karl has grown to be in his constant 'yeah i wont do it anymore' to doing it right after.

Understand what I'm getting at and where I'm coming from.
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B.) Yes but the problem is: You can't ask one person to stop doing a certain thing without asking other people to stop doing it. It's not a rule that people cannot use the 'western naming order' anyways, so you shouldn't have asked Karl to do that in the first place, and if you hadn't it wouldn't have mattered how many times he used it because he wouldn't have been rebelling against anybody on this specific matter.

C.) In your opinion.

D.) I get it, but you chose the wrong issue to nab Karl for. I understand that a rebellious attitude is a bad thing, but that's only somewhat relevant to the point at hand, the point being that you can't force him or any other member to use the non-western naming order. If he posted @ after ever word it would be borderline spamming because everything he posted would be difficult to read. It's perfectly understandable when people say Nobunaga Oda instead of Oda Nobunaga. It's just a name. :/

E.) Yes.
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Yeah, besides, I never put a rule of 'eastern order is a must' in boards I modded; I'm just encouraging it, not enforcing it. Even some people in Japan have the misorder in the naming order *coughgamecitywebmastercough*

[size=1]It's perfectly understandable when people say Nobunaga Oda instead of Oda Nobunaga. It's just a name. :/

Then it should be fine too if I say Mengde Cao instead of Cao Mengde. After all it's just a name, no? XD[/size]
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Has anyone found any new info on the game?
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Aug 22 2006, 03:55 PM
Has anyone found any new info on the game?

Well well... it's been a long time since the last SW2:E info appeared. There should be a Famitsu leakage tomorrow, hopefully there'll be new ones.. :)
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Aug 22 2006, 03:55 PM
Has anyone found any new info on the game?

Well well... it's been a long time since the last SW2:E info appeared. There should be a Famitsu leakage tomorrow, hopefully there'll be new ones.. :)

I will have to check Famitsu.com out alot around midnight my time.
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Okay slick.

I'm still going to go after Karl, though. He wants to be a rebel, after nearly of year of asking him to stop, then like hell I'm just going to let him.

And Alex, again, it's not the western order pissing me off. Western order is fine with me.
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If that's the case then find something legitimate to pick on Karl for. If he's really so much of a rebel, then it shouldn't be that difficult. Threatening to warn for naming order if you don't even care that much about whether they put the first name and then the surname is pointless. :/
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Aug 21 2006, 11:29 PM
If that's the case then find something legitimate to pick on Karl for. If he's really so much of a rebel, then it shouldn't be that difficult. Threatening to warn for naming order if you don't even care that much about whether they put the first name and then the surname is pointless. :/

...he's going against a guideline set for him by naming them like that. He keeps it up and thats what I'm going after. THAT was his warning.
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Hodamn haet Karl. :3
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Uh, use the pm feature or staff section next time to discuss any and all off-topic issues. :)
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You don't have the authority to set a guideline like that. Especially since you're setting a guideline that applies only to him, something that's clearly not allowed. So your guideline for naming order is invalid.
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