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| Mitsunari Ishida; Like him or not? | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 1 2006, 03:59 AM (6,062 Views) | |
| SlickSlicer | Dec 1 2006, 03:59 AM Post #1 |
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So right now I'm playing Ishida Mitsunari on Samurai WArriors 2. I played Kenshin first because I love the Uesugi, but I like Mitsunari way better. After talking to Jin, I thought Mitsunari would suck major ****, but really he kicks ass. HIs musou takes out tons of soldiers every time, and his square+square+triangle+triangle attack is pretty good too. I don't really like the mines all that much, but despite this I think he's an excellent character. His arrogance also makes him much more interesting than all the other warriors. I love how much of an asshole he is, and I also think that 'reason' is a better value than justice or honor anyways. Question though-Why the **** does he not have Sekigahara as a level? It looks like his last is Kusegawa. GTFO Koei! You didn't give me a chance to defeat the Tokugawa as Mitsunari? Well I haven't played Kusegawa yet, so maybe I'm wrong. That level better be playable on the Western Army side though... |
 
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| lmay19 | Dec 1 2006, 04:05 AM Post #2 |
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1] Mitsunari has six normal stages like Ieyasu. His last one is Sekigahara. 2] Mitsunari sucks all around except maybe his C4. 3] I like the way he talks to Nene and Okuni the most. <3 |
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| SlickSlicer | Dec 1 2006, 04:13 AM Post #3 |
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Again, I think his square+square+triangle+triangle attack is powerful. His square+square+square+triangle is also a good crowd-clearer, and Ishida Mitsunari himself has good skills on a horse (and I like riding on horses a lot in Samurai Warriors games...). I didn't realize that Mitsunari had 6 stages, but that's good to know. It's always nice when he gets pissy at Nene.
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| lmay19 | Dec 1 2006, 04:20 AM Post #4 |
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But in comparison to other Special types, his C3 is just too slow.  And there are others with more powerful C3s than that, that arent slow. ;/ He sucks. He really, really sucks. I like his attitude but he's just @_@;;; I hope they improve his moveset A LOT for SW3. |
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| LoW | Dec 1 2006, 10:32 AM Post #5 |
This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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Moveset: Let's face the facts... he's awesome in crowds but worst in duels. C1 is extremely good against generals though, because the white cloud breaks guard and floats in the air for some time. C2 is not the most useful, kinda slow I would say. C3 is a bit slow, but that's why he usually hits to enemies with his 360 degree attack in the end. C4 is his best attack because it's strong against generals (although it's hard to hit them with it) and works well in crowds. Mitsunari's S string is pretty slow and that's why duels can be hard with him. But his first three S attacks are quite strong and he is able to juggle opponents with last 4 attacks. His Musou attack is ok. And like most of his other attacks, his Musou is best suited for crowds. IMO, Mitsunari has one of the best level 3 Musou attacks (the explosions don't toss enemy generals away). Special Attacks... well they are fun to use and mines are powerful, but he should be able to place them faster. Still, I like to use them when fightning against tough generals like Tadakatsu. Almost forgot... after Tadakatsu, Musashi and Keiji I think Mitsunari is best character on mounted. His attacks are really fast and strong. Personality: It's awesome. It's pretty much close to his historical version and he looks so handsome. English VA does good job and really makes Mitsunari sounds as arrogant and rude. However, I find the friendship with Yukimura and Kanetsugu unnecessary. He should have sticked with Sakon only. Overall, one of the best new chararacters in SW2. Perhaps his moveset isn't perfect, but personality is close to it  .
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| SlickSlicer | Dec 1 2006, 11:55 AM Post #6 |
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I agree with you about your mounted comments. When I first played Mitsunari I was surprised by the fact that he's really good on a horse. So far neither of the other two characters I've played, Kenshin or Hideyoshi, are better than him on one.
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| Divine Justice | Dec 1 2006, 04:21 PM Post #7 |
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Disagree, he easily has one of the best special type movesets. His C3 is supposed to be slow, that's why it almost always connects. The only time I haven't had it connect is when I was hit from behind. By the way, he's my second favorite character in the game. |
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| Sho-saka | Dec 1 2006, 05:54 PM Post #8 |
Mitsunari Ishida: Superb Strategist?!
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Don't ask me, my lil sis absolutely uses him for many reasons...and I was so close on nabbing Edgewort-er, I mean Ishida. |
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| Blue_Eyes_Oni | Dec 1 2006, 08:27 PM Post #9 |
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Mitsunari is...like what Jin said...he sucks... And his personality is somewhat fake. |
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| Sixx | Dec 1 2006, 08:53 PM Post #10 |
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Cool personality, but his moves suck. |
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| LoW | Dec 1 2006, 10:19 PM Post #11 |
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This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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I don't understand how people can hate a character who is excellent in crowds
 . Well, he actually isn't easiest character to use and requires some skills >_>.
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| SilVerNaZ | Dec 1 2006, 10:29 PM Post #12 |
My momma don't let me boogie boogie in the house O_o ...
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He's actually quite good, and no one say anything about his personality, it's the complete contrast to Hideyoshi and fits him amazingly well, he's one of my favorite new characters. |
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| Red Knight | Dec 1 2006, 10:49 PM Post #13 |
1948-2009: THE GRAND SLAM DREAM LIVES ON!
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He is reserved in contrast to Hideyoshi's hyperactivity. His specials are completely useless. His moveset is slow. A charge moveset would have been a better idea in my opinion. |
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| LoW | Dec 1 2006, 10:59 PM Post #14 |
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This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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I found his Special Attacks useful when he still was between level 1 - 20. When he's maxed out, then you don't need the mines anymore, except if you want to cover your back from hyper generals. But then again, aren't most of the Special Attacks useless on higher levels? Only those which increase your stats temporarely or deal high damage to single enemy (Nobunaga's and Ginchiyo's sword charge, Yoshihiro's and Ranmaru's attack up - defense down, Shingen's grab attack etc.) are still worth of using when character is maxed out. |
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| Red Knight | Dec 1 2006, 11:22 PM Post #15 |
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Some of them, eg Tadakatsu's, Keiji's, Yoshihiro's and Ieyasu's are really useful regardless of what level they're at. |
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| lmay19 | Dec 2 2006, 12:06 AM Post #16 |
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I only like this about Mitsunari: -Attitude -Looks -C4 -Horse C4 -Gets 6 stages!  He gets interrupted too much with his C3 if the first part (which can only hit 1 or maybe 2 enemies) doesnt connect to all the enemies near him. So you pretty much have to hope that the first slash of the C3 connects to ALL NEARBY enemies so they cant openly hit you while you're opening the fan after that slash. So I guess it's useful against 1 or 2 peons/generals that are standing in front of you. Just hope they dont block. There are plenty of other characters with C3s that start with a one-direction/enemy charge, but just about all of them DONT have slow recovery afterwards. His C1 is average, good against incoming enemies but not that strong and isnt very safe, so it's better if you just spam C4. |
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| Radical Japanese XXXX | Dec 2 2006, 01:44 AM Post #17 |
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I have not had that much trouble using his C3, in fact, I don't really have that much trouble with any of his moves. Why? You say that are too slow, which may be true, but it's all about timing. Although I can see why someone wouldn't like his moveset, I just love his little fan! Especially when you are on a horse and he twirls is around! Funny thing is, on most Samurai Warriors 2 boards Ishida Mitsunari usually becomes the character, "Do you like him or not?" And reading his biography it seems he was not well liked...except I love him! 
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| Reaper Mitsuhide | Dec 2 2006, 02:46 AM Post #18 |
It's good to be smart yeah ^_^
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Mitsunari has a cool moveset and a cool personality, althought his clothes are terrible
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| Radical Japanese XXXX | Dec 2 2006, 06:23 AM Post #19 |
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You don't like his clothes? I think they fit him! I like the armor on his head. |
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| Jsun | Dec 2 2006, 07:13 AM Post #20 |
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I really can't stand Mitsunari, specially how Koei made SW2 based mostly on him and Sekigahara. He sounds depressing and how they make his death as if he Vanished is pretty bad(Angry villagers decapitated him). Reminds me of a depressed Sima Yi/Zhang He. |
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| Hondam | Dec 2 2006, 07:46 AM Post #21 |
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Mitsunari's personality is exactly like mine. Why dont you guys love me. :[ |
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| Divine Justice | Dec 2 2006, 07:49 AM Post #22 |
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Because you're not hot, dummy =( |
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| Radical Japanese XXXX | Dec 2 2006, 09:25 AM Post #23 |
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I did not see SW2 being centered too much about Mitsunari. I mean, yes they do mention him in others' stories, but it isn't like he's in every single level. Hmm, maybe it's just me. And to Honda...I'll just say it. I love you!
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| LoW | Dec 2 2006, 10:15 AM Post #24 |
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This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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I think SW2 focus more to Battle of Sekigahara itself and not to any character. But if I had to choose a character, it would be Hideyoshi. I agree with Radical though, Mitsunari's C3 requires some timing because it's slow attack. It's often effective against enemy generals if they block the first part. Then they let their guard down and 360 degree attack, which Mitsunari releases a bit later stuns opponent. Doesn't work when you're on lower levels though, because you stagger from basic attacks.
Correct, but if enemies block the first part, they can often guard 2nd and 3rd part too (except if 2nd part has guard breaker, like Yukimura and Honda have). |
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| Shizu | Dec 2 2006, 04:09 PM Post #25 |
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Movesets : like LoW said, good for crowded but bad for duels. and weak. but his movesets are cool i guess. personality : i love him, his VA's both in JPN & English do a great job for his expression less, arrogant personality :rolleyes: i love when hideyoshi spills some rice on his face =D |
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