Why is everyone hating the CAW system?

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Why is everyone hating the CAW system?; in Empires
Topic Started: Dec 12 2006, 09:33 AM (1,680 Views)
Hondam	Dec 12 2006, 09:33 AM Post #1
轟 Posts: 4,228 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: August 30, 2005 Gender Male	Ok. Seriously. You get like what, all the models in the game, you get to change the colors, you have huge options with the names, you can select up to three movesets (Which were in SW1) plus ANY ORIGINAL CHARACTER MOVESET. You get like 9 different options with the specials, and like 4 voice options. Now seriously. This is an improvement from the first system. Do enlighten me as to how this is horrible beyond belief.
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BlackKite	Dec 12 2006, 09:37 AM Post #2
東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. Posts: 4,023 Group: Admins Member #38 Joined: August 26, 2005 Gender Male	Because people are expecting it to be vaster than the one in DW5, where you can modify the face, hair, clothes, height, etc. End of story.
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Hondam	Dec 12 2006, 09:39 AM Post #3
轟 Posts: 4,228 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: August 30, 2005 Gender Male	Well I haven't played DW5, so I wouldn't know about that. And I'm sure a lot of people here have just played SW as well, and a lot of the complaints I've seen is people drawing comparisons between the old one and the new one- the new one supposedly failing hard. I can't fathom how they come to that conclusion.
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BlackKite	Dec 12 2006, 09:42 AM Post #4
東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. Posts: 4,023 Group: Admins Member #38 Joined: August 26, 2005 Gender Male	Because they don't compare it with the one in SW1, they compare it with the DW5 one, because the Warriors cycle goes like this: DW4>SW1>DW5>SW2
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Hondam	Dec 12 2006, 09:44 AM Post #5
轟 Posts: 4,228 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: August 30, 2005 Gender Male	I understand that, Alex, but I'm saying that I've seen posts drawing comparions between JUST SW1 and SW2; something I do not understand.
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Neo Juste Belmont	Dec 12 2006, 10:55 AM Post #6
Trinity of SRW Originals Posts: 1,895 Group: Members Member #1,164 Joined: March 20, 2006	Perhaps actually bothering with DW and Chinese history could enlighten you? Just a suggestion... You don't need to follow it if you don't want to.
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Seraphil	Dec 12 2006, 11:08 AM Post #7
稲が成敗いたします！ Posts: 3,834 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	The main comparison drawn between SW2E CAW and SW1 CAW is that all models in SW1 CAW were original, and not from the guard/generic pool. Of course, SW1 did something worse, in using CLONE BODIES and just changing the head. Except for the unlockable models, thankfully. BTW, DW5 CAW was poor. You had a limited range of color choice, a lot of the "customizable" choices were shitty, the voice choice was limited and the voices themselves were bad except for like one for each gender meaning you had 10 CAWs running around all sounding the same, and you had only preexisting weapons to choose from. Not to mention there were some horrid clipping problems with some weapons like Zhang Fei's spear. And you couldn't pick things like your tactical skill or color of your troops, or even stat growth. Also, you don't get all movesets to choose from in SW2E. Several are gender-specific (Nene,) and some just aren't available at all (Mitsuhide, Shingen, Ieyasu, for example.)
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Divine Justice	Dec 12 2006, 12:29 PM Post #8
L's True Successor Posts: 1,518 Group: Members Member #632 Joined: February 9, 2006 Gender Male	What PS said. The list of movesets you can choose from: Male CAWs, in order: Generic Sword Generic Spear Generic Naginata Sanada Yukimura Oda Nobunaga Saika Magoichi Date Masamune Hattori Hanzou Mori Ranmaru Toyotomi Hideyoshi Honda Tadakatsu Ishida Mitsunari Azai Nagamasa Shima Sakon Naoe Kanetsugu Miyamoto Musashi Females: Generic Sword " " Spear " " Naganata Oda Nobunaga Okuni Saika Magoichi Date Masamune Nouhime Hattori Hanzou Mori Ranmaru Toyotomi Hideyoshi Honda Tadakatsu Inahime Azai Nagamasa Tachibana Ginchiyou Naoe Kanetsugu Nene Miyamoto Musashi
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lmay19	Dec 12 2006, 03:38 PM Post #9
;p Posts: 2,740 Group: Members Member #246 Joined: January 2, 2006	Honda Tadakatsu Dec 12 2006, 08:44 AM I understand that, Alex, but I'm saying that I've seen posts drawing comparions between JUST SW1 and SW2; something I do not understand. Can you show us these posts? I dont see why someone would compare two things that different, though. Oh and guys, DW5 and SW2 didnt have CAW.



bobsamurai	Dec 12 2006, 07:23 PM Post #10
Honor gains respect, respect earns power. Posts: 95 Group: Members Member #172 Joined: November 23, 2005	Honda Tadakatsu Dec 12 2006, 08:33 AM Ok. Seriously. You get like what, all the models in the game, you get to change the colors, you have huge options with the names, you can select up to three movesets (Which were in SW1) plus ANY ORIGINAL CHARACTER MOVESET. You get like 9 different options with the specials, and like 4 voice options. Now seriously. This is an improvement from the first system. Do enlighten me as to how this is horrible beyond belief. yea, i didnt play dw 5 either, i stopped playing dw back after 3 the new caw is a big improvement over sw1 caw..but like all things it could be improved more like they say with facial features and hair ect but one step at a time this is alot more in depth than the sw1 caw



Seraphil	Dec 13 2006, 04:06 AM Post #11
稲が成敗いたします！ Posts: 3,834 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	Well that's wierd. Why would Mitsunari's moveset be male-only? Yet Tadakatsu and Nagamasa's are open to both? Nice that all the good female movesets are available though. So, all that's missing is Mitsuhide, Kenshin, Shingen, Ieyasu, Kotaro, Oichi, Keiji and Yoshihiro? I'm fine with that.
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Hondam	Dec 13 2006, 04:34 AM Post #12
轟 Posts: 4,228 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: August 30, 2005 Gender Male	Neo Juste Belmont Dec 11 2006, 11:55 PM Perhaps actually bothering with DW and Chinese history could enlighten you? Just a suggestion... You don't need to follow it if you don't want to. This has to do with the subject at hand because...?
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Divine Justice	Dec 13 2006, 12:25 PM Post #13
L's True Successor Posts: 1,518 Group: Members Member #632 Joined: February 9, 2006 Gender Male	Potato Samurai Dec 12 2006, 11:06 PM Well that's wierd. Why would Mitsunari's moveset be male-only? Yet Tadakatsu and Nagamasa's are open to both? Absolutely no idea. I was wondering that as well when I saw it ._.
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Hondam	Dec 15 2006, 05:00 AM Post #14
轟 Posts: 4,228 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: August 30, 2005 Gender Male	Honda Tadakatsu Dec 12 2006, 05:34 PM Neo Juste Belmont Dec 11 2006, 11:55 PM Perhaps actually bothering with DW and Chinese history could enlighten you? Just a suggestion... You don't need to follow it if you don't want to. This has to do with the subject at hand because...? I'd still like to hear that answer.
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Neo Juste Belmont	Dec 15 2006, 05:23 AM Post #15
Trinity of SRW Originals Posts: 1,895 Group: Members Member #1,164 Joined: March 20, 2006	Honda Tadakatsu Dec 15 2006, 11:00 AM Honda Tadakatsu Dec 12 2006, 05:34 PM Neo Juste Belmont Dec 11 2006, 11:55 PM Perhaps actually bothering with DW and Chinese history could enlighten you? Just a suggestion... You don't need to follow it if you don't want to. This has to do with the subject at hand because...? I'd still like to hear that answer. BlackKite Because they don't compare it with the one in SW1, they compare it with the DW5 one, because the Warriors cycle goes like this: DW4>SW1>DW5>SW2 There's the explanation. Because you never try to play DW5XL, so you don't know how its CAW system compare with SW2E, which is the majority's opinion. If you would broaden your vision, not just sticking with the Sengoku era and actually bothering with the Sangoku era, maybe you could get drawn to DW and the others and see if the public is right or not. Bottom line is... on the topic title: "Why is everyone hating the CAW system?", the answer is "Because they compare it with DW5XL not SW1". And if asked "How come? It's infinitely better than SW1's." My answer is, "Go play DW5 first and judge the CAW system first.". But... ugh, the rest is too much nitpicking on predictions, so I guess I'll stop.
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lmay19	Dec 15 2006, 05:57 AM Post #16
;p Posts: 2,740 Group: Members Member #246 Joined: January 2, 2006	Jin Dec 12 2006, 02:38 PM Honda Tadakatsu Dec 12 2006, 08:44 AM I understand that, Alex, but I'm saying that I've seen posts drawing comparions between JUST SW1 and SW2; something I do not understand. Can you show us these posts? I dont see why someone would compare two things that different, though. Oh and guys, DW5 and SW2 didnt have CAW. I'd still like to hear that answer.



Hondam	Dec 15 2006, 06:23 AM Post #17
轟 Posts: 4,228 Group: Members Member #46 Joined: August 30, 2005 Gender Male	Some were on the SW2 board at gamestop, some on IGN, and one or two on another forum I've been to. I'm not going to waste my time searching through those boards, as they're most likely either long gone or way too hard to find. Quote: There's the explanation. Because you never try to play DW5XL, so you don't know how its CAW system compare with SW2E, which is the majority's opinion. If you would broaden your vision, not just sticking with the Sengoku era and actually bothering with the Sangoku era, maybe you could get drawn to DW and the others and see if the public is right or not. Bottom line is... on the topic title: "Why is everyone hating the CAW system?", the answer is "Because they compare it with DW5XL not SW1". And if asked "How come? It's infinitely better than SW1's." My answer is, "Go play DW5 first and judge the CAW system first.". But... ugh, the rest is too much nitpicking on predictions, so I guess I'll stop. I understand that, Alex, but I'm saying that I've seen posts drawing comparions between JUST SW1 and SW2; something I do not understand. And there's YOUR answer. I have not been talking about DW since this thread was made. This was strictly about SW1 - SW2. And I'm going to try and ignore your rather stupid comments about broadening my vision. I don't like Chinese history. I don't like the Three Kingdoms era. Come on. Sue me. You obviously love to find something to whine towards me about. And before you try and bring up some stupid point, I'll go ahead and say a counter: I've played and own a DW game.
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Sixx	Dec 15 2006, 12:17 PM Post #18
genocide nightmare Posts: 881 Group: Members Member #1,859 Joined: May 8, 2006	Divine Justice Dec 12 2006, 03:29 AM What PS said. The list of movesets you can choose from: Male CAWs, in order: Generic Sword Generic Spear Generic Naginata Sanada Yukimura Oda Nobunaga Saika Magoichi Date Masamune Hattori Hanzou Mori Ranmaru Toyotomi Hideyoshi Honda Tadakatsu Ishida Mitsunari Azai Nagamasa Shima Sakon Naoe Kanetsugu Miyamoto Musashi Females: Generic Sword " " Spear " " Naganata Oda Nobunaga Okuni Saika Magoichi Date Masamune Nouhime Hattori Hanzou Mori Ranmaru Toyotomi Hideyoshi Honda Tadakatsu Inahime Azai Nagamasa Tachibana Ginchiyou Naoe Kanetsugu Nene Miyamoto Musashi What the hell you can't use Kotaro's moves. :angry:
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Lao Ban	Dec 15 2006, 06:35 PM Post #19
The Boss Posts: 64 Group: Members Member #4,518 Joined: December 13, 2006	There's always going to be people who are dissatisified with the CAW system. People always expect each new incarnation of it to be hugely innovative and chock full of options. So, when you get a CAW system in a game that's only different than the last, not "better" then people whine and complain. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get a really, really involved CAW system. The character creation options in DWBB, for example, looks AMAZING in terms of personalized appearance. I don't expect it in a game like SW2 Empires, though, just because of the memory and graphic limitations of the PS2 discs. I'll admit, I was disappointed to hear that they only had set character models in SW2 Empires and basically nothing we haven't seen before. I'd also someday like to see a DW5 XL type build up system in future Empires games. I just don't think we'll see it for a little while. Maybe KOEI just needs to make a CAW ONLY SW or DW game.



Sixx	Dec 15 2006, 07:29 PM Post #20
genocide nightmare Posts: 881 Group: Members Member #1,859 Joined: May 8, 2006	Lao Ban Dec 15 2006, 09:35 AM Maybe KOEI just needs to make a CAW ONLY SW or DW game. Dynasty Warriors BB is a start. Nice avatar by the way.
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Jsun	Dec 15 2006, 08:31 PM Post #21
Site Webmaster Posts: 5,469 Group: Global Moderators Member #3,292 Joined: September 4, 2006	As long as KOEI keeps adding CAW in games I will still continue to play them. Its probably my favorite thing to do in the DW series.



Divine Justice	Dec 15 2006, 08:35 PM Post #22
L's True Successor Posts: 1,518 Group: Members Member #632 Joined: February 9, 2006 Gender Male	Lao Ban Dec 15 2006, 01:35 PM I don't expect it in a game like SW2 Empires, though, just because of the memory and graphic limitations of the PS2 discs. IIRC, SW2 took up about 4.3 of the 4.7 GB disc. SM2:E on the other hand only takes up around 1/4 of the disc. They have plenty of room, they're just freaking lazy.
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Sixx	Dec 15 2006, 09:12 PM Post #23
genocide nightmare Posts: 881 Group: Members Member #1,859 Joined: May 8, 2006	Divine Justice Dec 15 2006, 11:35 AM Lao Ban Dec 15 2006, 01:35 PM I don't expect it in a game like SW2 Empires, though, just because of the memory and graphic limitations of the PS2 discs. IIRC, SW2 took up about 4.3 of the 4.7 GB disc. SM2:E on the other hand only takes up around 1/4 of the disc. They have plenty of room, they're just freaking lazy. Saving it all for SW Empires 3.
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Samurai Warrior	Apr 17 2007, 10:21 AM Post #24
Sergeant Posts: 25 Group: Members Member #6,404 Joined: March 29, 2007	Is there a way to unlock Kotaro's and Kenji's movesets in the CAW system of Samurai Warriors 2: Empires?



Nash	Apr 17 2007, 01:25 PM Post #25
General Posts: 275 Group: Members Member #287 Joined: January 6, 2006	Having experienced Soul Calibur III's equivalent of New Officer mode, I couldn't care less about creating new ones for DW or SW. The only reason why I enjoyed DW5XL's so much was because these New Officers were actually given their own story mode that could not have been enjoyed if you play with only the default officers. Hopefully SW3 would have something more along that line if they insist on giving New Officers standalone pseudo-storylines... like in SW1.



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