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Warriors Orochi (Musou Orochi); DW and SW combined!
Topic Started: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:28 am (43,739 Views)
Hanzo Hattori
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Insp. Chin
Mar 11 2007, 01:36 PM
Your idea is so cool and I like it very much!

BTW the storyline of the Musou Orochi can be found here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%84%A1%E5%8F%8COROCHI

Then translate it here (2nd option is to convert JP to EN): http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/

I'll update this to the site soon as well!

Thank you, and thank you for the translation too!
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Shandrah
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Hello to all,

I've seen the movie and was speechless. I can't wait til it is here. Only 10 days of waiting.... I hope

My friend can't wait too and we both say thanks for the information abaout the game.
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XthemastaX
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I don't like the opening and only the part with Da Qiao and everybody think shes strong alot
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XthemastaX
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Insp. Chin
Mar 8 2007, 06:10 AM
For your information, the 77 characters are:

48 - DW5 characters (no Fu Xi and Nu Wa from DW3)
26 - SW2 characters (no Sasaki or anyone from SW2: Empires)
3 - SW characters (Kunoichi, Goemon and Imagawa)

(Hope I'm right!)

Thats a ripoff
sorry for the double post
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BlackKite
Mar 9 2007, 08:13 AM
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Mar 9 2007, 02:18 AM
Nah, I was wrong  :(. I just remembered that Yoshimoto, Goemon and Kunoichi are counted as SW characters while Hideyoshi, Ina and Tadakatsu are counted as SW2 characters

Hmm... As you can see in the character selection screen, SW1 characters only covers pure SW1 characters up to Ranmaru, and thus Yoshimoto will be considered in the SW2 bar.

My lovely football samurai player is back huh, my Yoshimito Imagawa is here... I can't wait to buy this game >.<!
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Hello to all,

I've seen the movie and was speechless. I can't wait til it is here. Only 10 days of waiting.... I hope

My friend can't wait  too and we both say thanks for the information abaout the game.


^ I definitely second that, Shandrah. ;)

Even if this game ends up possibly a bit lean on the "frivolous" side of things (no individual Musou stories, Sudoku or Empires-esque modes, I presume?), this game looks to be going all out on the gameplay engine end.

I suppose the only real question I have is: How indeed are they planning to do the Story mode, this time around?

To me, there's only 2 main schools of thought I could think of:

1) DW4-style/Faction-based mode: Obviously, there's too many characters, and too little space on the PS2 disc medium, for there to be an individual story mode for each character. Therefore, it may be divided under the different factions that exists, between the Three Kingdoms cast that opposes Orochi, the Sengoku cast that sees it likewise and then Orochi and his followers. I wouldn't have a problem with this, assuming that there would be such things like possibly branching story paths (implying alternate endings), and that there was plenty of replay value there-in.

2) The other way I could see it would be for this game to take a cue from the likes of SRPGs like Super Robot Wars and its ilk (which would be a bit ironic, considering Gundam Musou was just released recently!). What I mean is that, there may be only "one" main storyline, but there would be a lot of different branching paths you could take, which could imply such things like certain characters being unlocked for play may only come if you go a certain route, or possibly open up the possibilities for divergences in the overall storyline. I dunno, maybe the fight we're all waiting to see
(Lu Bu vs. Honda Tadakatsu), may only transpire in one route, while it may not happen in another...


Bottomline though, is that they could definitely create an interesting story, even though (or especially) because we're in the confines of a "Dream Match Crossover". With this being the first game in the Musou series were they can actually stretch their creativity a bit more, I hope Omega Force is up to the task...
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Seirio
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Since I never got to play Yoshimoto,what type of character would he be best with?
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Wo Long
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(New post because this is completely irrelevant to my previous.)

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Since I never got to play Yoshimoto,what type of character would he be best with?


I doubt it matters. As far as I know, the characters don't really have an effect on each other (I could be wrong). So really, the only thing I would suggest is choosing some of your better characters with him in case you suck with him. That way, you're not screwed over with having to play a level with a bad character.
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Hanzo Hattori
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To recap for everyone...


I ended with Story ideas. (Please feel free to post your own!)

We began with character questions and complaints. (I think enough has been said)
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Seirio
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How do characters get to where they are?How did Zhao Yun end up at the Battle of Anegawa?
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SadXuHuang
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Perhaps Japan smashes into the mainland and fuses to China???

Why Katsuie Shibata and Kojiro Sasaki shouldn't be in the game:

Have you seen SW2:Empires yet? Kats and Koji can only join the roster once they get a TRUE moveset. In Empires Kojiro has the moveset roughly broken down as:

Kenshin: S1~S6, C4, C6, Musou, and Horse combat
Mitsuhide: S7~S12, C2, C3, C5, C7, and C8
Nagamasa: C1

Special 1=Issen (Mitsuhide's quick slash)
Special 2=Horse whistle

While Kojiro is a combination of those three characters, Katsuie is a mix of Tadakatsu Honda, Yukimura Sanada and Keiji Maeda. Lame x 1000!

So once they become real, sure, add 'em. (Koei should also finish Kennyo Honganji while their at it too...)

As for characters being sucked into vortices:

I like your cinematics Hanzo, but I see Orochi being more subtle when he (it?) folds the eras into one. Such an open display of force would either A)Kill everyone (ever get sucked into the sky at high speeds?) or B ) traumitize them severely (I'd be a little upset)

I picture a sudden snap of weirdness... like there is some palpable unease as different "things that shouldn't be" start happening.

Like Chinese peons with Japanese weapons. Or battlefields merged freakishly. You know, little inconsistencies made by this rupture in the time-space continium. Like the universe is glitching...

... like Dw_Angel stealing my banner <_<

*cough*

Back to Orochi...

With these new Attack Types announced, does anyone know the fate of the SW2 cast's special moves? Where would Nene be without her ability to morph? Nobunaga and his sword and shield charges?
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Seirio
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I think it was dw angels sig first.She was here longer with the sig and you joined last month.
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Seirio
Mar 13 2007, 02:25 AM
I think it was dw angels sig first.She was here longer with the sig and you joined last month.

Yeah but look at its photobucket name: sxhguvnor

sxh = SadXuHuang I think..
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Seirio
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Oh,I got another joke.Or the original with a little extra with a nod from the bad voice acting of SW2E

Tadakatsu: Tentacle Head boy!!!
Lu Bu: Deer horn head!!!
(Keiji comes in)
Tadakatsu and Lu Bu: Go away freaky haired guy!!!
Keiji: Oh yeah,well both of you are large eyebrowd weaklings!!!
Tadakatsu: You have large eyebrows also!!!!
Keiji: Oh yeah,well your uh....yeah uh,your both stupid!!!
Keiji: < _ < >_> (rides away with Matsukaze)

Oh and I see now.Thanks for correcting me.
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Kairal
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I'm about 90% sure that they're including SW2 Specials. We can see Nene transform in on SS I"m pretty sure and we also see Ina using what looks like a massively upgraded special in the promo movie.
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SadXuHuang
Mar 12 2007, 01:42 PM
I like your cinematics Hanzo, but I see Orochi being more subtle when he (it?) folds the eras into one. Such an open display of force would either A)Kill everyone (ever get sucked into the sky at high speeds?) or B ) traumitize them severely (I'd be a little upset)

I picture a sudden snap of weirdness... like there is some palpable unease as different "things that shouldn't be" start happening.

Like Chinese peons with Japanese weapons. Or battlefields merged freakishly. You know, little inconsistencies made by this rupture in the time-space continium. Like the universe is glitching...

I like this a lot and I know exactly where you're coming from.

I can picture Zhao Yun riding to Liu Bei's side at Chang Ban. He crosses a bridge and finds himself someplace else or vise versa. Or, he sees ghostly images of foreign soldiers going a different direction and what not.

It's a great idea!
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Well, at neoGAF, this week's Famitsu news came in today.

First, the score:

PS2
Musou Orochi 9,8,8,8


Then, a link to a new(?) scan:

Posted Image

Unless I'm wrong, I'm guessing that the chica pictured may be one of the "new" characters. Is she "pro" or "anti-Orochi"? I dunno, but the scan isn't that good, so I can't hope to read anything more. Any body got the mag, or possibly has vision better equipped to read this scan? :D

But yeah...I'm definitely going to be all over this game, as soon as my import comes in...! ;)
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mayahabee
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wow, she's pretty....i bet she is with the orochi....maybe...perhaps not. from her looks, she is quite the innocent type.
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Maybe the new characters are ones Orochi created. Who knows.
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Probably so.

In any case, I hope these guys not only stand to be original character models, but also stand to have mostly distinctive movesets, as well. That would ideally make them better opponents...and also better characters to play as (assuming they could be unlockable). ^_^
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maybe that girl is orochi's trusty assistant....perhaps she is the one who capture liu bei and zhao yun (based on the story, but i dont know if i'm correct). hahaha, silly ideas...
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SRS
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The name of that woman is Dakki in Japanese, Daji in Chinese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daji

A Chinese fox spirit, Huli Jing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huli_jing

A servant of Nu Wa, sent to destroy the Shang Dynasty of China for a grave insult Zhou Xin made towards Nu Wa.

It's not really definite what side she'll be on...

Oh, and Daji's far, far from being innocent, being quite the seductress.
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Seirio
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Well,think then.Orochi is a japanese demon if we read our mythology as it seems Potato Samurai has.Orochi seems to have a negative influence and is evil in mythos.And Daji destroyed the Shang Dynasty China as soon as the noob was dead.So we can assume,(QUOTE: ASSUME)that she is teaming up with Orochi so she can go unopposed in destroying China after getting rid of China's heroes,i.e. DW characters.

Plus she is seductable and based off the fox the destroyed the dynasty.Todays modern culture,men normaly call seductive women foxes so lol.

And whats this?Dynasty Warriors PSP style speech?
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Mar 14 2007, 04:52 AM
Oh, and Daji's far, far from being innocent, being quite the seductress.

Well, I guess KOEI and Omega Force definitely decided to capitalize on that feature... :D

But any way, this only serves to make this game all the more interesting...if not possibly very busy, too.

Of course, now that we know that other mythological beings are also taking stage in this game besides Orochi, I wonder who else is ripe for to make a re-appearance? Fu Xi and his beau? Susano (with the Kusangai Sword as his final weapon)? Amaterasu?

Again, "curiouser and curiouser"...I'm still eager to see how many of these may end up as also being playable.

Ah well....only like 9 more days, at least...

EDIT:

I guess the only thing I wonder about, though, Serio, is why would Daji go out of her way to make trouble for those who probably have faint links to the dynasty of legend, if at all? Unless Cao Cao or the other 2 main heads of the other 2 Kingdoms may have done something to piss NuWa off, I doubt that Daji has that much reason to specifically target them.

My guess? She's either acting on FuXi or NuWa's orders to try and "clean up the mess" that Orochi's made, or she's simply a girl, going out there and doing it for herself...all the while checking out the "manly samples" that are present. :P
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Daji destroyed the Shang because they were led by a horrible tyrant that insulted the goddess Nu Wa. So, she was fighting against evil, seirio.

But then she was said to not really be all flowers and sweets herself either...

I see as she's going to be a loose cannon, sorta like Zuo Ci in DW and Kotaro in SW, doing her own agenda.
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