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Warriors Orochi (Musou Orochi); DW and SW combined!
Topic Started: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:28 am (43,746 Views)
SRS
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I (usually) only import things I cannot get domestically.

And yeah, I see the staff board.
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Sho-saka
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Mitsunari Ishida: Superb Strategist?!
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What about us, Europeans and Brits?! How can Koei forgets us?! T_T

Okay, so Koei UK gave us the Disgaea and Atelier Iris series (and praying to get Ar Tonelico soon), but if they start to forget us by not releasing M.O. to the UK and European stores, I'm never going to buy another Koei title again!

P.S. Is it me of does Musou Orochi remind me of Onimusha mixed in some Super Sentai teamup, e.g. that Boukenger vs. Super Sentai thing?
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Divine Justice
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Rau, we had this very same argument when I first joined about SW2. Please realize that they are going to release it here, whether or not the localization is good, if only based on the following:

1) Musou Orochi on Koei's Forums
2) These games do have a fanbase, especially DW, and to not release this game here would be rather stupid as they'd be missing out on some cash. And this is an assumption, but I'd personally say that DW and SW are Koei's most popular titles in NA, unless you can point out another popular series they bring over.
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Seirio
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Yeah.Combining SW and DW games together will attract people who ove only one of the series and at the same time,get the chance to play as the other series.Besides,most of those reviews were made by people who want hard and fast pased games,not hack-and-slash games like DW and SW.Those reviewers expect things like Gears of war,not SW or DW.SInce there are so few reviewers,there will be oh so many people who love the series that complain to the reviewers.

Look at the user reviews for SW2 at Gamespot.They love it and want more.I hope MO doesn't end up like.hack FRAGMENT.
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Some updates (thanks to Nouhime), you can see some posters here - http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070205/orochi.htm

I won't be added them to the site because there's a watermark so I'll wait until I got the bigger and better images first, you can check it btw.
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lmay19
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Whats new?
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And so his first commander and boss has left this site.
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I think this is merely an attempt for people who know jack about SW, but are obsessed with DW to see what else KOEI has to offer them.

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AznSniper
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It will be at least 100 days before it would be released everywhere else so expect it by summer just like Gundam Musou for North Americans.
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Seirio
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The only new thing on the page is the Lu Bu vs Tadakatsu.Still awesomeness though.
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lmay19
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I just had a not-so-good theory. What if the special attacks have been turned into "character switch" buttons?

Take for example, this screenshot. See in the bottom left corner it show Oichi (yellow) and Zhen Ji (blue)? Maybe R1 + square = switch to yellow and R1 + triangle = switch to blue.

But this could be wrong because not all the partners are yellow and blue... unless you can only make teams of blue + yellow + orange. Maybe you can assign which characters are summoned by which 2 buttons. This is just speculation.
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Seirio
Feb 6 2007, 12:41 PM
Look at the user reviews for SW2 at Gamespot.They love it and want more.

You're joking, right? Giving it a horrible rating and thrashing it means they love it?
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SRS
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Feb 7 2007, 03:43 AM
I just had a not-so-good theory. What if the special attacks have been turned into "character switch" buttons?

Take for example, this screenshot. See in the bottom left corner it show Oichi (yellow) and Zhen Ji (blue)? Maybe R1 + square = switch to yellow and R1 + triangle = switch to blue.

But this could be wrong because not all the partners are yellow and blue... unless you can only make teams of blue + yellow + orange. Maybe you can assign which characters are summoned by which 2 buttons. This is just speculation.

I doubt it. Changing the R1's purpose alters drastically how several SW characters play.

Likely scenario is either we swap on the pause screen, or they'll finally give us a use for the Select button again. ^_^
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Simihe
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It'll be on the west, or else the KOEI site wouldn't of added Musou Orochi to the US and UK fourms. Besides, there is still a CRAPLOAD of people that don't have have PS3's or Wii's so bringing it to the US/UK/CND shoreline would be a smart move.
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lmay19
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Well then Potato, Koei sure has their work cut out for them :lol: ; changing all 48 DW movesets to SW's level. And Yoshimoto & the others.
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aaron485
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i cant w8 till it comes out in the UK :lol: but i dont know if it'll still be called musou orochi..will it?
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Seirio
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The USER reviews,not the official Gamespot guys.Most gave over a 9.
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It's good to be smart yeah ^_^
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How the game is going to be called in NA and Europe?
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Seirio
Feb 7 2007, 01:25 PM
The USER reviews,not the official Gamespot guys.Most gave over a 9.

Sadly that doesn't count. User reviews RAVED about Gotcha Force, but look what happened to it.
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.....very true.But feh.Mostly everyone loves the game.The reason that SW2 got that score because it has the same gameplay.The reviewers expect something different,the users expect the same because its fun.
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Feb 8 2007, 03:13 AM
Seirio
Feb 7 2007, 01:25 PM
The USER reviews,not the official Gamespot guys.Most gave over a 9.

Sadly that doesn't count. User reviews RAVED about Gotcha Force, but look what happened to it.

Um, no offense Rau (honestly), but that is probably one of the dumbest comments i have read on this site. I will play a game in a series well rated by the people who play it as much as i do LONG before i will consider TOUCHING a game given a good review by an "official" critic. It's much the same thing with movies. Every review of pirates 2 said the movie was a flop. well more that 2/3's of the people ive talked to loved it. it was the best selling theatrical release of 2006. It was the best selling dvd of 2006 (and it came out at the start of december, so it topped 90% of the other movies in less than a month.) User reviews are ALL that matter. That said....


i think it would make more sense for the character switch button to be L3. I havent yet seen a good use for this button in any game in the series and it would make for quick changes in desperate situations, but thats just my opinion. My only question is will all 3 characters be on the map at once or will the characters transform. (hope all 3 are always there, so in those lulls when one character is trying to find more people to kill you can just switch to another and let the lonly one autopilot to more fighting.)

also i'm glad to see there is still a 2 player mode. i was afraid there would be so much info with this many characters that they wouldnt be able to include it in a sw vs dw. (Crosses fingers in hopes for a TRUE vs. mode)
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Feb 7 2007, 06:51 PM
Rau Le Creuset
Feb 8 2007, 03:13 AM
Seirio
Feb 7 2007, 01:25 PM
The USER reviews,not the official Gamespot guys.Most gave over a 9.

Sadly that doesn't count. User reviews RAVED about Gotcha Force, but look what happened to it.

Um, no offense Rau (honestly), but that is probably one of the dumbest comments i have read on this site. I will play a game in a series well rated by the people who play it as much as i do LONG before i will consider TOUCHING a game given a good review by an "official" critic. It's much the same thing with movies. Every review of pirates 2 said the movie was a flop. well more that 2/3's of the people ive talked to loved it. it was the best selling theatrical release of 2006. It was the best selling dvd of 2006 (and it came out at the start of december, so it topped 90% of the other movies in less than a month.) User reviews are ALL that matter. That said....



You apparently just jumped to a huge conclusion right there. Don't know if I should correct you or not..
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The conclusion i jumped to was that you think that the opinions of the people who actively play Musou games because they LIKE the games matter far less than the Official Site Reviews. If i came to the wrong conclusion i apologize and as i said no offense was meant. I just (personally that is) believe the only people fans of the Musou game series should listen to are other fans opinions of the game. To me it is a given that Magazine and Site Reviewers are going to say that Koei is beating a dead horse deader. Which is why i stopped reading reviews for Koei games long ago.

I happen to like being able to see how this series evolves in small steps because it gives me more ideas for changes that COULD be made to the game. (I've got a rather long post in the "ideas for Kkoei games" forum under the dynasty warriors topic, some of which never would have come to me if it weren't for there being small changes rather than overhauling the game every time a new one comes out.) But no matter how many changes Koei makes to an installment of the Musou series i've come to understand that it will NEVER be enough of a change for the "Professional" reviewers. As such i've come to believe that it is the "Professional" review that doesn't count and the Players reviews that DO matter. However this is not the place for me to debate the philosophy of whose opinion matters when. If you would like to continue the discussion, by all means PM me. In the meantime however, back to the topic at hand.....





Dont discount Fu XI, Nu Wa, Kojiro, Katsuie and Kotaro from this game yet. I wouldn't even count out new characters yet (i doubt they will be there, but there is a chance as far as im concerned for the same reason im not counting out the other three.)

Someone (I forget who) said that they wouldnt be because of something about exceeding the 15 character wide screen limit. I really dont see how that would be a problem. (Please excuse the length of the list, i was using it for something else, but its great for counting characters for each force and comparing numbers.

Shu

Pang Tong - 1
Yue Ying - 2
Guan Ping - 3
Xing Cai - 4
Zhao Yun - 5
Guan Yu - 6
Zhang Fei - 7
Zhuge Liang - 8
Liu Bei - 9
Ma Chao - 10
Huang Zhong - 11
Jiang Wei - 12
Wei Yan - 13

Wei

Cao Cao - 1
Cao Pi - 2*
Cao Ren - 3
Dian Wei - 4
Pang De - 5
Sima Yi - 6*
Xiahou Dun - 7
Xiahou Yuan - 8
Xu Huang - 9
Xu Zhu - 10
Zhang He - 11*
Zhang Liao - 12*
Zhen Ji - 13*

Wu

Da Qiao - 1
Gan Ning - 2
Huang Gai - 3
Ling Tong - 4
Lu Meng - 5
Lu Xun - 6
Sun Ce - 7
Sun Jian - 8
Sun Quan - 9
Sun Shang Xiang - 10
Taishi Ci - 11
Xiao Qiao - 12
Zhou Tai - 13
Zhou Yu - 14

Other

Diao Chan - 1*
Dong Zhuo - 2*
Lu Bu - 3*
Meng Huo - 4
Yuan Shao - 5
Zhang Jiao - 6
Zhu Rong - 7
Zuo Ci - 8

SW-1
Keiji - 1
Nobunaga - 2
Mitsuhide - 3
Goemon - 4
Kinshen - 5
Oichi - 6
Okuni - 7
Kunoichi - 8
Magoichi - 9
Shingen - 10
Masamune - 11
Noh - 12
Hanzo - 13
Ranmaru - 14
Yukimura - 15

SW-2
Nagamasa - 1
Yoshihiro - 2
Tadakatsu - 3
Ina - 4
Kanetsugu - 5
Sakon - 6
Hideyoshi - 6
Nene - 7
Musashi - 8
Ieyasu - 9
Mitsunari - 10
Ginchiyo - 11
Yoshimoto - 12
Kotaro - 13*

Obviously Kotaro Fits very easily in the SW-2 list without going over the 15 character limit. Kojiro* and Katsuie could be 14 and 15.

Nu Wa and Fu Xi Would very easily fit in the "Other" character category at a measly total of 10 characters. Taking the thought one step further (i know im looking into things i shouldnt be right now, but its a theory, so just deal with it) I think it's very likely Orochi himself will be a playable character (fitting under other at 11) and i think he will also end up bringing a couple of his buddies from the demon realm (2 unknown characters making the "Other" total 13.)

leaving the final forces count at a relatively equal....

Shu - 13
Wei - 13
Wu - 14
Other - 13
SW1 - 15
SW2 - 15

The 7 characters with a * next to them are characters i feel (mostly for obvious reasons) will be in Orochi's army. (conveniently replacing the hypothetical 7 "Other" characters NOT in Orochi's army. No i did NOT intend for that to happen when i was trying to figure out who would be in the orochi army, but i did think it interesting to note that it keeps Orochi at 13 characters, which is pretty much even with the rest of the armys.)

Note that this entire post is pure speculation and there are no links to support anything i have said.

Questions, comments, crits and insurrections very much welcome.
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OBJECTION!!

There is a flaw in your list...

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Nagamasa - 1
Yoshihiro - 2
Tadakatsu - 3
Ina - 4
Kanetsugu - 5
Sakon - 6
Hideyoshi - 6

Nene - 7
Musashi - 8
Ieyasu - 9
Mitsunari - 10
Ginchiyo - 11
Yoshimoto - 12
Kotaro - 13*

That, is clearly a contradiction. the SW2 section is actually 10 new SW2 characters + 4 SWXL characters = 14.

That means, if the 15 character limit is present, only one of the SW NPCs (Kojirou/Katsuie/Kennyo) will fit, and that's unlikely. Besides, Kojirou & Katsuie aren't original in SM2E: They're using CAW weapons, and their movesets are mixed from other character's movesets.
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Yesasia and Playasia is now accepting pre orders. They both have different release dates............... :huh: $60!!!! *Pre Orders anyways*
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How the heck is Zhang Liao even close to likely being in Orochi's ranks? :huh:

Wanna do lists? I can do lists!

O denotes characters willingly fighting for Orochi. I believe some people will be forced to fight against their will or possibly brainwashed, like the missing Sun Jian (If Zhang Jiao can brainwash him in his story mode, Orochi can probably do it too. >__>) The missing will be denoted by a X, while those forced to fight will be XO.

Shu

Zhao Yun X
Guan Yu
Zhang Fei
Zhuge Liang
Liu Bei XO
Ma Chao
Huang Zhong
Jiang Wei
Wei Yan O
Pang Tong
Yue Ying
Guan Ping
Xing Cai

Wei

Xiahou Dun (defects)
Dian Wei O
Xu Zhu O
Cao Cao X
Xiahou Yuan O
Zhang Liao (defects)
Sima Yi (defects)
Xu Huang (defects)
Zhang He O
Zhen Ji O
Cao Ren O
Cao Pi O
Pang De O

Wu

Zhou Yu
Taishi Ci
Lu Xun XO
Sun Shang Xiang
Sun Jian XO
Sun Quan XO
Lu Meng XO
Huang Gai XO
Gan Ning
Sun Ce
Xiao Qiao
Da Qiao
Zhou Tai
Ling Tong

Other

Diao Chan O
Lu Bu O
Dong Zhuo O
Yuan Shao
Zhang Jiao O
Meng Huo
Zhu Rong
Zuo Ci

SW
Yukimura
Keiji
Nobunaga
Mitsuhide XO
Goemon
Kenshin
Oichi
Okuni
Kunoichi
Magoichi
Shingen
Masamune
Nou
Hanzo
Ranmaru

SWXL/2
Hideyoshi
Yoshimoto
Tadakatsu X
Ina
Ieyasu X
Mitsunari X
Nagamasa
Kanetsugu
Sakon
Nene
Yoshihiro X
Ginchiyo
Kotaro O
Musashi
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