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| Topic Started: Apr 6 2007, 08:37 PM (3,530 Views) | |
| Jiahe | Apr 6 2007, 08:37 PM Post #1 |
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This has been bugging me for sometime now and I wanted to know why people hate Lu Meng so much in the game. I read that people think he is weak. I have used him numerous of times and his attacks seem very powerful to me. I can understand that his musou isn't the best one in the game because he can't clear crowds good but it's better then Taishi Ci's or Lu Xun's imo. Do people hate him based on his character in the game series? or the novel? and if so what is it? Discuss it all here. |
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| Sun Ce of East Wu | Apr 6 2007, 08:48 PM Post #2 |
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I think Lu Meng's a great character. He has a great attack string, and he has a good balance of defense, attack, speed, and musou. I think the only reason certain people hate Lu Meng, however, is because he humiliated and killed Guan Yu. Just my personal opinion. |
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| Wei General Xu Huang | Apr 6 2007, 08:49 PM Post #3 |
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I like Lu Meng, personally. He doesn't have a particularly bad move, but no particularly good ones. His charge 6 was a personal favourite of mine on DW4, but the wide swing on 5 isn't as useful. However, on 5 his, Evo-string is the greatest, in my opinion, which is a more worthy trade. |
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| Will | Apr 6 2007, 09:03 PM Post #4 |
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Like I said before and looking at guides how to use him. He is hard to use and Im not going to go into this since Bofu knows how I feel about him over all. I just like him in rtk 4 where he does nothing against shu. |
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| PostalOrder | Apr 6 2007, 09:05 PM Post #5 |
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I like Lu Meng... he was kinda... gross in DW4, but he improved a lot in 5 (looks, outfit, easier to use). He and Sun Jian are the only 2 I can tolerate from Wu now anyway! |
     
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| Red Knight | Apr 6 2007, 09:26 PM Post #6 |
1948-2009: THE GRAND SLAM DREAM LIVES ON!
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Lu Meng's alright. He's not great but he's better than Lu Xun and Ling Tong. He is one of the tolerable characters of Wu, along with, Sun Ce, Taishi Ci, Gan Ning, Sun Jian and Zhou Tai. |
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| LoW | Apr 6 2007, 10:58 PM Post #7 |
This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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I thought Lu Meng looked best in DW4 >_>. The costumes he has in DW3 and DW5 are too simple and perhaps that's one of the reasons why players often associate him with NPCs (besides his moveset). Overall, he's great character but lacks an interesting story. |
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| Will | Apr 6 2007, 11:00 PM Post #8 |
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Really now? I dislike his moveset and musou. His c3 reminds me of Guan ping and Zhang fei. his reach is pretty okay. he is okay. eh yeah It's a love-hate relationship with me and him |
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| LoW | Apr 6 2007, 11:16 PM Post #9 |
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This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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What's wrong with his moveset? Both S string and Charge attacks are suitable for crowds. Even though they don't look that impressive, they're actually quite powerful just like his Musou >_>. |
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| Will | Apr 6 2007, 11:29 PM Post #10 |
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"8.21 - Lu Meng ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ "It comes down to this" Similar to Zhang Liao, Lu Meng has very good reach and range in his normal attacks, but Zhang Liao is way better. His charge attacks aren't too impressive. Probably the biggest downfall is his weak attack. In terms of fighting style, Lu Meng is a bad version of Yue Ying, and Yue Ying is a bad version of Guan Yu. Both Lu Meng and Yue Ying have medium weight weapons without attack bonuses; both have third normal attack with terrible range, and similar range with the rest of their normal attacks. Yue Ying is much better than Lu Meng because she attacks faster. She also recovers from her normal attacks much faster than Lu Meng, which enables her to resume attacking (very much like Guan Yu). Lu Meng is also capable of doing this, but it is generally much harder with him to abuse his normal attacks. Lastly, her true musou is by far better, and more useful than Lu Meng's. From Guan Ping to Lu Meng can be an individual, more specific tier. All three of these characters, with Guan Ping being the first character in the tier list so far, have very dependable crowd clearing skills, but they lack either consistency or effectiveness in fighting generals in crowds. This is due to a poor arsenal of charge attacks, and weak damaging musou. In Lu Meng's case, he is decent against crowds, but lacks both consistency and effectiveness. _____ Items ŻŻŻŻŻ Tiger Amulet Green Scroll Wind Scroll Herbal Remedy Ginseng Fire Orb / Ice Orb ___________________ Tips and Strategies ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ The standard item configuration. No Way of Musou because it lifts enemies off their feet. The Ginseng is a good item to equip since his attack is relatively weak. Ice or fire orb. Fire will give an edge of safety when using Lu Meng's scattering charge attacks, but Lu Meng does not need to rely on charge attacks, and shouldn't, because his normal attacks have long reach, good range, and fast recovery. The ice orb still doesn't do very much, but the more important advantage for the ice orb is that it will let Lu Meng deal full damage, with his true musou instead of half damage, because it turns into a juggling musou. The ice orb would prove very useful when Lu Meng is in red health, or in a musou rage. As mentioned above, Lu Meng is capable of continuously attacking with his normal attacks. This is very useful since his charge attacks aren't very good. Although Guan Yu and Yue Ying are much better at this, Lu Meng can still pull it off. Stopping at his second or fourth normal attack is the safest. Lu Meng's normal charge is very useful for entering crowds. Since his third normal attack has minimal reach and range, it is often impossible to pull off his third charge attack without getting hit. However, if you deploy the fire projectile with his normal charge directly before attacking, the fire projectile explodes just as you do your third normal attack. This strategy changes his third charge from practically 10% success, to 100% success. No exaggeration either. The timing is so perfect that the fire projectile acts as if it were his third normal attack. Also if you are equipped with the ice orb, you have in a sense, a double elemental attack in his third charge. In any case his third charge doesn't activate the ice, the fire will still be present. His second charge is much slower than Zhang Liao's, but still is a useful move. It's probably more practical to use his normal attacks to deal damage, rather than his second charge though. The execution time for his fourth charge is too slow, and generals are able to attack you in the process. But it's a good move to use when generals at blocking. Since he moves forward quite a bit during the execution time, if you are close enough to a blocking general, it's quite easy to land the charge attack behind the general. This is a good way and the only way to hit blocking generals. His fifth charge is probably an overrated move. Sure, the reach and range is very good, but the attack is aerial. Like Guan Ping's fifth charge, enemies will like to do a jump attack on you. The execution and recovery time is also mediocre. When doing it against a general as part of an attack combo, turn away from the general as you execute the fifth charge. This way, the general will not block it. Normally, the execution time is too slow, which allows generals to block in time. Knowing this is very useful because then, his fifth charge is practically his only useful charge to serve as a finishing move to a safe combo against generals in crowds. His first charge, like Jiang Wei's is really useful, because of the awesome reach and range, but probably practical only for small groups, where you don't have to worry about enemies hitting you during your recovery time. The range in Lu Meng's air charge is likely too useless to be of any use in all circumstances other than fighting against one foot soldier. Never use this move. His musou is not bad, an average one. Try to stay in good health, because once in true musou, it is half damage. It's however up to you, because there is a fatal down fall in his regular musou. The timing of the ending of his musou is sometimes long enough that it allows generals to block. This will give an opportunity for generals to attack you directly after your musou. (which they pratically always do). What makes him such a poor character against generals in large crowds, is his poor musou, horrible true musou, poor charge attacks, and absense of an unblockable attack. Similar to Yue Ying, his fourth charge can be used to hit blocking generals, but you have to work your way and creep around the general, from the side. So there is very little consistency in the unblockability of his fourth charge. Similar with Yue Ying's fourth charge, it lacks reliability and consistency. Lu Meng is a decent character with a good normal attack string, which makes him a good character against crowds. His many disadvantages prevent him from being effective against generals in large crowds." From Calbee chaosmode guide in youtube and gamefaqs |
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| LittleDragonZ | Apr 6 2007, 11:45 PM Post #11 |
Behold the spear of Baby Dragon!
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I don't think many like him solely because his moveset has been practically untouched since the beginning. And his appearance looks rather ''basic'' or ''normal?? I am really unsure how to put it to be honest. 
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| Diao Chan's Angel | Apr 6 2007, 11:47 PM Post #12 |
The Diva of the Dance
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Well, I'm not so sure about 'normal,' but basic seems more like it. I like Lu Meng on the whole as a character, even his moveset. Although I will admit, I like a couple of moves better than others. I think his C3 is great, his C4 is decent, his Jump Charge is also nice, and his normal Musou is wonderfully non-juggling. As a plus, he got a better voice for DW5. I HATED the DW4 one. |
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| LoW | Apr 7 2007, 08:08 AM Post #13 |
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This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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I don't know about you Repentdarkness, but I don't let tier lists make my decisions. Even though the writer is an expert and knows what he's talking about, it doesn't necessarily mean he's right about everything. Like, he may say that Zhang Jiao sucks on Chaos mode but I'm sure there's at least one player who thinks he's better than Lu Bu. Tier lists are just bunch of opinions and while they have good points, you shouldn't allow them to affect your opinions. |
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| Will | Apr 7 2007, 02:11 PM Post #14 |
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Sorry he is the same person that hosts chaos mode videos on youtube. I survive in chaos mode because of him. he has evidence about it and a clear good arguement |
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| LoW | Apr 7 2007, 04:37 PM Post #15 |
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This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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You can't be serious >_>? Are you seriously saying that you let tier list make your decisions? |
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| Will | Apr 7 2007, 04:38 PM Post #16 |
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yup only in chaos mode. I really don't like lu meng as much anyways his musou is like a npc musou. I watch most of his videos |
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| LoW | Apr 7 2007, 04:40 PM Post #17 |
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This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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Well, I suppose it's useful to follow his advice on Chaos if you're not that good player >_>. |
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| Will | Apr 7 2007, 04:43 PM Post #18 |
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:mellow: Yeah I guess so. If I don't listen to it I die. I've been successful so far in using that guide and most of the moves I play with is moves he recommends. I thought of using lu meng c3 but it sucks compare sto guan ping and zhang fei. Why don't you host videos of your chaos mode? :huh:. Read carefully. He explains how the reach is bad, which characters are almost the same and the pros and cons. Xiahou jia from the sosz forum reads it also. |
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| LoW | Apr 7 2007, 04:48 PM Post #19 |
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I'm unable to host vids because I'm lacking the necessary equipment. Secondly, my controller is piece of crap and playing on Chaos is quite hard for me. Always when I do the Musou attack the controller goes nuts and I can't control my character or sometimes the analog goes off and I'm unable to move. That's when I'm in serious trouble. But yeah, on Chaos mode it's best to stick with few effective moves. With Lu Meng it would be his S string and Musou. |
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| Will | Apr 7 2007, 04:52 PM Post #20 |
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I mean basically the guy is saying Yue ying is a bad version of Guan Yu. and Lu meng is a bad version of Yue ying but all 3 of them can have good recovery time. I can never beat chaos with lu meng. Yup Musou away! but I don't think his true musou is that great either |
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| Mingchan | Apr 7 2007, 04:56 PM Post #21 |
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I DESPISE Lu Meng. He's too slow for me, and his musou...the less said, the better. |
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| Will | Apr 7 2007, 05:01 PM Post #22 |
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I mean basically his attacks are same to Zhang Liao but Zhang Liao has more reach, Better musou and kills more crowds |
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| LoW | Apr 7 2007, 05:28 PM Post #23 |
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This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore....
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I also avoid using Lu Meng's True Musou. It juggles and halves the damage. The finisher also sucks. I've never thought Zhang Liao to be better than Lu Meng. Zhang Liao's Musou attack may have more reach, but IMO Li Men has stronger Musou. |
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| General Liang | Apr 8 2007, 12:50 PM Post #24 |
KW War General - The Sleeping Dragon
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Lu meng was known for is wisdom and knowledge throughout the land. In the game he seems more like a brainless warrior for Wu. In my opinion, Koei could of made him better. His moveset is ok but it's nothing special. |
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| LittleDragonZ | Apr 8 2007, 03:13 PM Post #25 |
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Behold the spear of Baby Dragon!
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Thats a very good post :). |
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