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Gracia Hosokawa; SW2: XL
Topic Started: Jun 28 2007, 12:44 AM (8,893 Views)
Mei Ling
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Well....now we know...

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Hosokawa Gracia

Isn't she fictional? Great...now it appears we have a magical girl...and no Matsu.

Discuss her here...
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Hosokawa Tama (細川玉), usually referred to as Hosokawa Garasha 細川ガラシャ, 1563 - August 25 (by the Japanese calendar the 7th Month, 17th day), 1600) was a Japanese noblewoman, daughter of Akechi Mitsuhide. She was named Tama; Garasha, the name she is known by in history, is taken from her baptismal name, Gracia. She married Hosokawa Tadaoki at the age of fifteen; the couple had five or six children.

In the Sixth Month of 1582, her father Akechi betrayed and killed his lord, Oda Nobunaga. Afterwards, Tama became known as a "traitor's daughter." Not wishing to divorce her, Tadaoki sent her to the hamlet of Midono in the mountains of the Tango Peninsula (now in Kyoto Prefecture), where she remained hidden until 1584. Tadaoki then took Tama to the Hosokawa mansion in Osaka, where she remained in confinement.

Tama's maid was from a Christian family, and her husband repeated to her conversations with his Christian friend Takayama Ukon. In the spring of 1587 Tama managed to secretly visit the Osaka church, and a few months later when she heard that Toyotomi Hideyoshi had issued a proclamation against Christianity, she determined to be baptized immediately. As she could not leave the house, she was baptized by her maid and received the Christian name "Gracia".

In 1595 Tadaoki's life was in danger because of his friendship with Toyotomi Hidetsugu, and he told Gracia that if he should die she must kill herself, but when she wrote asking the priests about it, they answered she must not as a Christian kill herself. However, the danger passed.

The death of Hideyoshi in 1598 left a power vacuum with two rival factions forming: Tokugawa Ieyasu in the east and Ishida Mitsunari in the west. When Ieyasu went to the east in 1600 leading a large army, including Tadaoki, Ishida took over the impregnable castle in Osaka, the city where the families of many of Hideyoshi's generals resided. Ishida devised a plan to take the family members hostage, thus forcing the rival generals either to ally with him or at least not to attack him.

However, when Ishida attempted to take Gracia hostage, the family retainer Ogasawara Shōsai killed her; he and the rest of the household then committed seppuku and burned the mansion down. The outrage over her death was so great that Ishida was forced to abandon his plan. Most Japanese accounts said that it was Gracia's idea to order Ogasawara to kill her. But according to the Jesuit account written right after her death, whenever Tadaoki left the mansion he would tell his retainers that if his wife's honor were ever in danger, they should kill her and then themselves. They decided that this was such a situation; Gracia had anticipated it and accepted it.

A Catholic priest had Gracia's remains gathered from the Hosokawa mansion and buried them in a cemetery in Sakai. Later, Tadaoki moved the remains to Sōkenji, a temple in Osaka.

Reference for the 10/17/2006 version:
J. Laures, Two Japanese Christian Heroes, Rutland, VT: Bridgeway Press Books, 1959.
Laures was a major historian on that period; he know all the Jesuit sources well.
The information in the article was also in Japanese sources, and a few details were only in Japanese sources.

From Wikipedia ><
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But wait...in SWCJ her bio says she is fictional? :wacko:
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Jun 27 2007, 11:44 PM
and no Matsu.

We don't know this yet.


Anyways, I'm happy. It will be interesting to see Mitsuhide's side from a more innocent view. And her magic looks fun. Not to mention lolitanesssssssssss
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All four characters have been announced. Matsu MUST be in SW3 though...

I agree with you there Jin, the story for her should unfold quite nicely.
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Katsuie Shibata
Toshiie Maeda
Kojiro Sasaki
Hosakawa Gracia


Yeah. Shibata Katsuie, Maeda Toshiie, Sasaki Kojirou, and Hosokawa Gracia have been announced too. 8 new characters~ :)


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But wait...in SWCJ her bio says she is fictional


No it doesn't. >_>

And her name is Hosokawa, not Hosakawa. Also, I'm having trouble understanding where all this Matsu-hype is coming from. Capcom? :rolleyes:
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I think she would make a good addition purely because shes Maeda Toshiie's wife. To be honest, I didn't even know Matsu was in Sengoku Basara? (I assume thats the series your speaking of)
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So how come we don't have so much hype for Ieyasu's wife? Hideyoshi's? Tadakatsu's?

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Jun 28 2007, 01:20 AM
So how come we don't have so much hype for Ieyasu's wife? Hideyoshi's? Tadakatsu's?

No idea on that one.. I don't know of Ieyasu's wife, nor Tadakatsu's, but then I'm not "into" sengoku history, and know very little.

But then, Matsu would probably just have a generic story, exactly the same as Toshiie's, like most "related warriors" have.
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Jun 28 2007, 12:14 AM
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Katsuie Shibata
Toshiie Maeda
Kojiro Sasaki
Hosakawa Gracia


Yeah. Shibata Katsuie, Maeda Toshiie, Sasaki Kojirou, and Hosokawa Gracia have been announced too. 8 new characters~ :)


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But wait...in SWCJ her bio says she is fictional


No it doesn't. >_>

And her name is Hosokawa, not Hosakawa. Also, I'm having trouble understanding where all this Matsu-hype is coming from. Capcom? :rolleyes:

I just realized, she was real. I'm sorry I was looking at the bio of the girl who knows Kenshin. It says she is a "Fictional Character". Lol sorry for the trouble.

I actually think I am gonna like using her...if the game is on 360.

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Jun 28 2007, 01:20 AM
So how come we don't have so much hype for Ieyasu's wife? Hideyoshi's? Tadakatsu's?

No idea on that one.. I don't know of Ieyasu's wife, nor Tadakatsu's, but then I'm not "into" sengoku history, and know very little.

But then, Matsu would probably just have a generic story, exactly the same as Toshiie's, like most "related warriors" have.

Next thing you know, we will get Ieyasu's son's wife that was concieved by Nobunaga and Kitsuno. *sarcasm*
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Her story will be really cool.And she does magic!she does look like SW1 oichi.She's cool!so is Toshie!
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She looks to me that she's going to be quite overpowered. :wacko:
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I kind of wanted her magic to be like this or very Christian like...
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Jun 28 2007, 01:57 PM
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I kind of wanted her magic to be like this or very Christian like...

That looked kind of overpowered itself. :mellow:
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Interesting concept. Her costume reminds me of SW1 Oichi a lot. I'm more interested in seeing how her weapons work. o.o;

I'm also interested to see what Koei does for her religious background.. she really DOES look more European than Japanese after all.
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I don't think she will be overpowered. Zuo Ci can cast magic but he certainly isn't overpowered character. Someone like Lu Bu is much better than him and he can't cast magic >_>.

I'm extremely disappointed if they leave out Gracia's religion. Without it she wouldn't be the Gracia I know.

Now then, any suggestions for her Story Mode? I've come up with this:

1st stage: Any battle for Oda forces where she fights with Mitsuhide. Anegawa or Odani would be good.

2nd stage: Incident at Honnouji.

3rd stage: Battle of Yamazaki. If it was her first battle, we would see almost nothing between her and Mitsuhide. If it was her last, we wouldn't see nothing between her and Mitsunari. That's why it would be best to have Yamazaki in the middle of her story.

4th stage: Gracia's Escape (Osaka Castle. Wasn't that the castle where she was held hostage?). This stage could be pretty fun. Alone in a huge castle with tons of enemy soldiers and generals to kill. Fun, fun.

5th stage: Battle of Sekigahara. Well, she didn't die at the hands of Mitsunari so she could give her support to Eastern army.

Dream: Mitsuhide Unites Japan. Same as Mitsuhide's Dream except that it would be from Gracia's view.
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I'm extremely disappointed if they leave out Gracia's religion. Without it she wouldn't be the Gracia I know.


I have a strong feeling they will, though. Or if not, I think they'll kind of glaze over it in a cutscene but not really talk about it otherwise.

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Interesting concept. Her costume reminds me of SW1 Oichi a lot. I'm more interested in seeing how her weapons work. o.o;


That's what I was thinking when I first saw her too. The scan looks like she'll even start with low HP like Oichi. ._.
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Without her religeon, she isn't even that notable of a character I think. I mean her greatest definning attribute would be that she dies. And I don't think some girl committing suicide would be the great of a level honestly. Running around an Empty map. And you'd have to like... keep running into traps or something until she dies... Actually... that would be kinda funny...
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Jun 28 2007, 12:35 PM
I don't think she will be overpowered. Zuo Ci can cast magic but he certainly isn't overpowered character. Someone like Lu Bu is much better than him and he can't cast magic >_>.

I'm extremely disappointed if they leave out Gracia's religion. Without it she wouldn't be the Gracia I know.

Now then, any suggestions for her Story Mode? I've come up with this:

1st stage: Any battle for Oda forces where she fights with Mitsuhide. Anegawa or Odani would be good.

2nd stage: Incident at Honnouji.

3rd stage: Battle of Yamazaki. If it was her first battle, we would see almost nothing between her and Mitsuhide. If it was her last, we wouldn't see nothing between her and Mitsunari. That's why it would be best to have Yamazaki in the middle of her story.

4th stage: Gracia's Escape (Osaka Castle. Wasn't that the castle where she was held hostage?). This stage could be pretty fun. Alone in a huge castle with tons of enemy soldiers and generals to kill. Fun, fun.

5th stage: Battle of Sekigahara. Well, she didn't die at the hands of Mitsunari so she could give her support to Eastern army.

Dream: Mitsuhide Unites Japan. Same as Mitsuhide's Dream except that it would be from Gracia's view.

Lord of Wei, your stages seem to be the most logical, though I could see her doing more than just 3 stages with Mitsuhide. However that may tack off a bit on her own storyline. I'm afraid if they try to go on about her story, historically, that she won't see much interactivity with Mitsunari... I would love to see her confront him at Sekigahara though. >3

Mitsunari: Waaah, my army is losing T_T
Gracia: PAYBACK'S A *****, AIN'T IT?! >D
Hanzo: ..........Craaaazy womaaaaaahn.

As for her dream stage, who knows? Perhaps THAT could be the stage where she ends up fighting Mitsunari at Sekigahara.

I think we have to take new stages into account as well. Okehazama seems to be a highly likely choice for a new stage, and in SWXL the Komaki-Nagakute campaign ended up being in all of the new character's storylines (Tadakatsu, Ina, Hideyoshi, Yoshimoto).. and it would make sense for Katsuie and Toshiie, but it wouldn't make too much sense for Kojiro to be there, and only minutely for Gracia..

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Without her religeon, she isn't even that notable of a character I think. I mean her greatest definning attribute would be that she dies. And I don't think some girl committing suicide would be the great of a level honestly. Running around an Empty map. And you'd have to like... keep running into traps or something until she dies... Actually... that would be kinda funny...

That WOULD be funny. Plus it would be original. The chance of that happening is about 1 in a million, but if Koei gives her a stage like that, I'd be extremely tempted to actually get this game. O_O
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Eh, thats how I see her normal story ending anyways, with her suicide.



.....The funny thing is, she doesn't even LOOK emo. xD She looks quite the opposite, in fact.
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Heh, I don't think KOEI supports teenage suicides :P.

I can't even guess what's her ending going to be like. First I would need to know her stages >_>.
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I think her ending will be something soppy. Possibly it could be her cuddling with Mitsuhide and thinking to herself (although the thoughts will be loud so the player can hear them):

"Oh daddy, this world is all nice and pretty thanks to you. I'm so happy..."

If Mitsuhide's dead by her ending [very probable], it could be something more along the lines of her seeing Ishida Mitsunari getting executed and then going back home. Then she'd say something like, "Oh, the land is at peace finally. I was able to accomplish your dream...father." And then it would show an image of Mitsuhide flashing on screen and she'd enter some random room and the ending would end.

If we're lucky, her ending will be Ishida Mitsunari trying to crucify her. Then she'd say something badass like, "Christ died for our sins asshole, but I won't die for your's!" Then she'd jump off the crucifix and shoot some unholy magic spell at him and the rest of the Western Army. She'd suddenly lose her spirit energy and fall, dead. Then a memo would flash on the screen saying, "Gracia did a lot of damage to Ishida Mitsunari and the Western Army. Several generals, inspired by her courage, went and joined Tokugawa Ieyasu. Also largely encouraged by her unwavering spirit, Ieyasu would win the Battle of Sekigahara against Mitsunari, and the land would be at peace for over 2 centuries."

Sure it would be Koei taking a sh*t all over what historically happened, but you have to admit that seeing Gracia do that would be totally badass.
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