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Best Officer Destroyer?; Who got the moves to take generals out.
Topic Started: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:41 am (9,087 Views)
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Of course.

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Thought so :P ... I may have already posted this earlier, but I find Hanzo to be the best officer destroyer :ph43r:

First, his C4 with Bolt, Flash, Slay, Absorb, Air, Brave, Range, Might is already ridiculously powerful ...

Now add the fact that he is a TEC character & can boost that even further by using the modified C4ex attack instead, puts him on top, IMO.

It is faster, does more damage, is wickedly desctructive against both single targets and crowds, plus it consumes very little musou, so regaining musou with Absorb is a matter of just a few normal charge attacks ^_^ This is a 1-shot and move on kind of attack, regardless of difficulty or opponent (maybe 2-shot for hyper Lu Bu/Tadakatsu or Orochi)

And I haven't even mentioned his ridculously over-powered, most destructive counter-attack in the game :blink:

Hanzo is on my team whenever I want to defeat officers as quickly as possible. :ph43r:
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here are the facts:

When all characters are maximized
Musashi emerges as the best officer slayer by far. Using double defense Lu Bu at Bai Di Castle as the target, since he has the most life in the game + double defense, Musashi is able to kill him in one C4. This is indeed three elemental strikes, but the speed and cumulative power makes him the strongest. This is without his R1 attack buff too. So Musashi's full potential doesn't get measured. Understand that when all characters are maximized, everyone is measured fairly, that is all characters are at lv99 and fully and freely customized. These results should still apply in most other situations, when all characters are evaluated fairly. But when the typical gamer is playing through the game for the first time, a tier list that doesnt include the Flash element, would be completely different. Thus unblockable and strong attacks, deserve to be the best in this situation. Yukimura is an obvious candidate. But as long as maximization is considered, and DD Lu Bu as the testing target is considered, Musashi Miyamoto is the best.

There are other interesting ones:

1) Cao Pi's C6-ex: What is needed to kill DD Lu Bu in one hit, is massive and dense crowds. This causes this charge attack to lag, and produce the same sort of glitchy sound that SSX's R1 produces in that famous Lu Bu-R1-wall glitch. This is inferior to Musashi's C4 because Cao Pi requires dense crowds, and requires a lot of preparation. However, since this move has a glitchy effect, no one will ever know the max potential of this move, so Cao Pi taking 1st place is a possibility. However, keep in mind that there should be a maximum, as the glitchy frames of his C6-ex should have a specific length. SSX's R1 against a wall cant be utilized consistently to make it worth praising. But her R1 glitch effect can still be used in regular combat, if you use a C6, and then R1, and then C1, against an officer. The C1 will cause that same glitchy effect, but only for a split second. This is enough to kill very strong officers, like Da Ji and Orochi very quickly. However, I dont mention SSX as a top tier officer killer, because this will not kill Double Defense Lu Bu. This SSX example only serves as a theory that Cao Pi's C6-ex damage has a limit to it.

2) Yukimura: Although, when both Yuki and Musashi are maximized, Musashi takes one charge attack and Yukimura takes three R1's. Many would argue that Musashi is better, but considering offensive speed, Yukimura would probably win. Suppose that Double Defense Lu Bu had about 10 times more health. Yukimura would undoubtedly be better than Musashi.

3) Kunoichi: With an R1 attack and defense buff, she can spam C2-1 all day long. The speed is very fast, and the damage is very high. Like Yukimura, she has a a series of weaker attacks but continuous and very fast. She and Yukimura, both have musou drain back setups, so they can go on until the officer is defeated. So the same thing applies to Kunoichi: if there were much stronger officers in this game, Kunoichi would be alongside Yukimura for the top tier officer killers.

4) Cao Cao: He comes close. Maximize him, and his C6 will kill DD Lu Bu. But it should be easy to see that he has just enough to kill him. Musashi and Yukimura are clearly superior.

5) Guan Ping and Ranmaru Mori: Damaging multi-hitting charge attacks, but ultimately inferior to Cao Cao, who is inferior to Yukimura and Musashi.

6) Zhao Yun: A setup with Absorb and no Bolt, will allow him to abuse R1 until he runs out of musou. But with Conserve and Focus equipped, his full potential can be realized. He kills DD Lu Bu just as fast as Yukimura, Kunoichi, and Musashi, but he would be inferior, once again, only theoretically, since he doesnt drain back musou completely. Also, the combo may be interrupted if the officer is hit against a wall.

7) Da Ji: Hmmm....I wild one she is. One C4 or C4-ex will kill DD Lu Bu in a flash. However this move is strictly a singular move, so it has no potential of getting better, or continuing. R1 spamming probably goes a long way though! But hehe...of course, she will run out of musou, in the long run.

8) Diao Chan: I suppose I'll end this off with the widely accepted god tier character. Her strategy is a series of detached charge attacks, much like Musashi, but she's completely outclassed by Musashi. Still I think she deserves a mention, because against DD Lu Bu, she is just as fast.
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:o Thanks for that in-depth analysis calbee. I've seen your work over at GameFAQs and appreciate that you took the time to post this here as well. Thanks a lot! ^_^

With that said, I have been able to create Cao Pi's C6ex glitch, but against a "wall" instead of a dense crowd. I say "wall" because I was in Kusegawa and trapped the officer at the edge of one of the platforms :P

Trying to create this same scenario against a DD Lu Bu, I would have to agree that Cao Pi would fall lower than Musashi since Musashi needs no special circumstances to demonstrate his destructive power.
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Cao Cao is good. C6, like what Calbee said. Wow, I was in the process of unlocking his PI on hard and he swept all the officers at one go!
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Since I'm so predictable and only really play with a few characters, I'll jump the gun and say my Yue Ying is the strongest officer killer out of my regular characters (Kanetsugu, Zhen, Ginchiyo, Kongming, Xu Huang). It's very simple since I'm a lazy player. Two ways.

One is to spam her C1, which is;
- a projectile
- element-activating
- juggler
- able to be directed

It's an excellent method of killing crowds or generals at a distance. But for generals, if I'm up close - then I just;

Judge the distance and before they reach a distance where they can hit you with their normal ranged attacks, release her R1. The giant orb of lightning. It juggles and is unblockable (fun fact - chain two or more together with an officer in-between for a quick 500+ hit combo).

While they are being juggled by the not-very-damaging orb, just use a quick SSSSS(R1+T). And if that doesn't kill them, then do it again because her recovery on the R1+T is fast enough that she can continue the combo.

So, again. Lazy strategy.
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Orochi himself, awsome at killing everything. no one can beat him, boss always got the best moves!
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I think Kanetsugu is the best officer killer, using his flying needle spam 7-8 times (In Chaos), i really sure that officer ripped into pieces, so do it on orochi :D, Tadakatsu using his spec attack that good too although i think Kanetsugu is the best :D, Nagamasa in Easy/Normal w/his uppersky laser is a 1 hit Officer KO too
so do why my avatar is 3 of My most Favorite Chara :D
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Well for me, my best officer Destroyer is definately Orochi..C1/Jump Charge for victory! Also, his other Charge strings can kill easily, with the exception of C2..

Other than that, yeah, he just kills for me.
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Hmm.. Orochi, sorry OOTopic, but he is the worst model w/his girlfriend Da Ji..
But he has an powerful attack when he the boss, can slay cmdr faster :o
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Well, according to the Topic..it says BEST OFFICER DESTROYER, and Orochi is my BEST DESTROYER. So yeah, on topic :P

And who is this cmdr? :P
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All Cmdr on Koshi Castle (Sun Jian, Cao Cao/Cao Pi, Nobunaga/Nobutada Oda, and Zhuge Liang/Jiang Wan), Yes little Out Of Topic, but 3 Of My Avatar is the my Best Officer Destroyer
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Ahh..no wonder..I didn't know the short form of Commander.
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My best officer killers are:

Pang Tong: love to juggle them with R1 and C3
Mitsuhide: R1 and keep dashing after them
Da Ji: R1
Zhang Jiao: pretty good C1ex and C2. After C2, i juggle them with C3 (ex)
Kunoichi: Amazing R1 :D
Magoichi: also has a powerful R1
Dian Wei: his special is really powerful and low musou consumption
Gan Ning: they've got no chance against me :D
Kotaro: C2, C3 and C4
Sun Ce: auto fire C5 and juggle them with R1 of C3
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Hmm... For me it's Nagamasa. And Zhao Yun. Because I have both man's mastery!
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IMO, Okuni would be ideal if going for a single enemy. Her attacks and charges are all targetting at one individual more, and with Tech ability, I reckon, the damage dealt is pretty high if it were allowed to be successful, is this the case?
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Okuni is much improved in this game I will admit, but she is far from the best officer destroyer. I believe calbee posted in here some time ago indicating Musashi is emerging as the best officer destroyer when fully maximized.

His C4 has multiple elemental strikes, his C3 has ridiculous range as well as being elemental, his C2 destroys single targets ... plus, he's a TEC character who can enhance his charge attacks and he can buff his attack power :wacko: (even though he doesn't need it)
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Lu Bu. Diao Chan ans Zhao Yun do alot to officers on Chaos, actualy i use Lu Bu and Diao Chan to get other charactors 4th weopons
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Mr.Honda
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Okuni is much improved in this game I will admit, but she is far from the best officer destroyer. I believe calbee posted in here some time ago indicating Musashi is emerging as the best officer destroyer when fully maximized.

His C4 has multiple elemental strikes, his C3 has ridiculous range as well as being elemental, his C2 destroys single targets ... plus, he's a TEC character who can enhance his charge attacks and he can buff his attack power :wacko: (even though he doesn't need it)

Yes I agree with you. Musashi is cool, but there's something I don't quite like about his moveset. Apparently, his movesets involved too much movement which somehow made him in attacking particular foe extremely hard if it were to go a full string charge attacks.

Moreover, certain elements seemed to make his C1 unusable too. I may be wrong, but under erm "duel single foe" circumstances, Okuni MIGHT be better though. O_O
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i'll add my two cents in here. WO PSP has made me go back to the console version, so...here are my top officer killers:

Goemon-his Sumo stumble at the end of his regular combo, with the mace-on-the-string and bolt is devastating. i was killing main generals in one combo at level 40.

Kunoichi-her regular combo eats the life right up, and once she's past level 50, one Musou is plenty to kill any officer, Slay works particularly well for her.

Zhen Ji and Ranmaru-they're easily THE BEST characters in MO, everything they do is genius.

Xiao Qiao-her special is brilliant, soup her up and watch her murder.

Ginchiyo-KILLS.

Zhu Rong-Fire Stomp special, and her moveset is just so easy to use.

Sima Yi-special and his sssst? i think? the one with the blue orb.

AND Lady Noh, of course. but really, she is great at one-on-one officer match-ups. very strong, really strong. her cross-cut special is a lovely finisher.
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Lets see:

Zhen Ji: Cheap R1, can kill officers just by spamming it
Ginchiyo: R1 attack, thats it.
Kanetsugu: Cheap R1 plus powerful C3 and C4
Sun Ce: Auto-fire C5+R1=Death
Sima Yi: Powerful R1 with auto-ice
Nobunaga: Powerful C3
Xu Huang: Powerful R1 attack, tends to multi-hit
Cao Cao: My personal favorite in killing officers, C6 with element is to powerful, other charge attacks are good to like his C4 and C5.

Don't know what to say about the characters in MO:MS.
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Cao Pi:
Aim carefully and use C6ex. If it's aimed just right, it will become into a powerful multi hit move.

Ieyasu Tokugawa:
Put Ice on his weapon, freeze an enemy and use R1. The ice prevents them from being knocked too far back while the laser hacks away at them.

Musashi Miyamoto:
R1 then C2ex makes quick work of enemy officers (The kick at the end tends not to work unless you enhance it)

Sun Shang Xiang:
C1 > C6 > Direction + R1 > R1 > C6 > Direction + R1 > R1 etc. It never fails for me
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ranmaru mori - there is a few combo if executed correctly can take out a general completely

ina - also but executing her combo is extremely hard

so yue ying- her c5 takes 3/4 of general hp but is easier to execute
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well for nagamasa pure owns most officers,but tadakatsu's C4 string is also good :D
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