| Welcome to KOEI Warriors (Forum). We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. As a member you will also have access the exclusive Members Only Section where you will be privvy to a wide range of KOEI Warriors Renders, OSTs and Videos. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free! Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features! |
| (Huang) Yue Ying; I will stand up in this time of need! | |
|---|---|
| Topic Started: Oct 2 2007, 04:15 PM (7,784 Views) | |
| T.e.n | Oct 2 2007, 04:15 PM Post #1 |
Obsessive Yue Ying Fan OMG
  ![]](http://209.85.122.85/static/1/pip_r.png)
|
So, Huang Yue Ying. I pretty much loooove her character as it was presented in Dynasty Warriors 4. I think she's a wonderful addition to the cast, although there are some problems I have with her portrayal. This mostly come into play with her protrayal post DW4, specifically DW5. In her own Musou Mode, the English translation repeated 'My husband' ad nauseum as her motivation for doing anything I wanted to kick the TV. Yue Ying's only action that wasn't compeltley motivated by Kongming was when she created the Juggernauts in Nan Zhong, and that's moot anyway since it was Kongming's campaign. EDIT: Alright, I forgot about the scene in Wu Zhang Plains. That's an awesome scene, but I wish we had more of that - vocal belief in Shu's ideals alongside love for her husband. Along with her (then) poor voice actress, there was a total lack of sincere emotion - it sounded, to be blunt, stepford wifeish. And that's scary considering she's arguably one of the most badass looking women in the game gameplay-wise. I'd love for her to acknowledge that she goes alongside her husband because she believes in Shu's ideals; whereas in DW5 it looks as though she's just going because Kongming is. (Her ending history summary alludes that they go as a couple, but her dialogue and narrative support the motivation of Kongming so much more.) This is also a crying shame compared to the lines she recieved in DW4 - when she was defeated or killed, she would reference Kongming and that's understandable and sweet. When you're in danger of dying or dying, you're going to think of those people you leave behind and love. Otherwise, it appeared as though she joined because as an intelligent person, she joined Shu alongside her husband because she believed in them. I mean, the CG cutscene just before Wu Zhang Plains alluded to that enough. My problems were sort of... addressed but not really in Musou Orochi. She had a clear little subplot going on and I adored that the big Shu guys bar Zhao Yun were out of the picture so she could get some screen time. Plus, while Kongming was clearly a sore situation for her, she fought with Shu anyway. Her faith in her husband is absolutely wonderful, but she also knew that she had to fight him in order to gain an explanation for what was going on. It's nice to see that sort of perception, and to see her interacting with other people (I love that they refer to her as 'My Lady'). Also, I ganked this from wiki - Her "housewife" demeanor, which some deem inappropriate for a general, has led her to be criticized by some as being a forced character, for the sake of inserting a female character into Shu's ranks (since Shu was the only kingdom by Dynasty Warriors 3 not to have a female character). Do you guys agree with this? I tend not to, mostly because Generals can have a large range of personalities and she possesses the traits to be one - motivation to fight and the skills to do so. I do find it funny that they mention her being housewifey mostly because looking at her outfit... she looks like she's wearing a big poofy dress with an apron (sort of). Clear Warrior-Maiden-Valkyrie inspired, but also like a wife in the kitchen. I don't know, there's a rant for then (while at work). I hope she gets a good design for DW6. |
 From the moment of birth, every human being wants happiness and does not want suffering. - Tenzin Gyatso | |
 |
 
|
| Tesouken | Oct 2 2007, 04:28 PM Post #2 |
Han's Unifier
|
I dont think she is a waste of space, she is actually a decent char and in orochi she is still great at crowd clearing, so far for the technical side. Of all the women in DW series i liked her the most because she is alot more serious and on earth than the others, the qiaos are to playfull and zhen ji hardly has any info on her in the game apart from fleeing to cao pi's side and thats it. I never liked diao chan either. Call me crazy but i think Yue ying should have some glasses in dw6 just to make it complete. She is a inventor after all 
|
|
|
|
| T.e.n | Oct 2 2007, 04:32 PM Post #3 |
|
Obsessive Yue Ying Fan OMG
|
Oh, isn't she a bloody mosnter in the games she's been in? : D Not nessecarily top tier (bar MO), but oh my god it's so fun playing as her.
Ha, that'd be so awesome! Or goggles. Goggles that do nothing. Speaking of that, the design that CLAMP gave her for Sangokushi Taisen was so cute. I wish I could find a bigger image, that's exactly what I think of for 'Inventor Huang'. |
|
From the moment of birth, every human being wants happiness and does not want suffering. - Tenzin Gyatso | |
|
|
|
| Moonstar Flower | Oct 3 2007, 01:03 AM Post #4 |
|
Tiger General
|
I do. I hate Yue Ying. |
|
|
|
| Jiahe | Oct 3 2007, 01:12 AM Post #5 |
|
Yue Ying is okay but she isnt my favorite. I find her to be a bit annoying. I have a hard time using her moveset. |
Thank you Qing Long for the sexy avatar~ ❤ 
| |
|
|
|
| TheRyanHimself | Oct 3 2007, 01:20 AM Post #6 |
The children of Evil are truly insane.
|
I like her moveset...and she's got an alright personality. But her..fangirl attitude towards my least favorite Three Kingdoms character makes me kinda lose respect. |
| |
|
|
|
| Will | Oct 3 2007, 01:29 AM Post #7 |
God of Death in Gundam Wing
|
I like Yue Ying, I like her c6, in warriors orochi she is good and her musou has a 360 spin and not allowing any officers to get near her. Her story was pretty good, she makes all sorts of machines for Shu and transport wooden oxes and makes Juggernaunts, she doesnt have too much cutscenes though. I dont believe anything wikipedia says. There is more to Yue Ying than meets the eyes. She was a good parent too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yue_Ying her wikipedia... it doesnt say that.. |
|
|
|
| MitsunariIshida | Oct 3 2007, 03:28 AM Post #8 |
Perfected Mastermind Of The Secret Sechemers
|
Despite having trouble with her moveset,i still like her due to her relationship to Zhuge Liang.But her moviation has to be something else.Saying that,"i might be able to surpass even my husband." |
I cant take pride in such megear Endevaors.
| |
|
|
|
| Astus | Oct 3 2007, 03:56 AM Post #9 |
|
Frakkin' Toaster
|
I absolutely love Yue Ying, shes such an awesome character and my favourite female along with Zhen Ji, but they stuffed them both up in DW5, they're both basically completely reliable on there husbands (Cao Pi this, Zhuge Liang that), that even is further illustrated in DW5 XL, from both in DW4 fighting for their ideals, kingdom and to better themselves, its a crying shame that they changed them, hopefully in 6 this will be amended, they can both still and cherish their husbands but to an extent (in Ji's case not at all), I believe Yue Ying can be portrayed as so much more than she is and hopefully Koei will send her on the right track. |
  Click to view the KOEI Warriors FAQ. | |
|
|
|
| san-shin warrior | Oct 3 2007, 04:53 AM Post #10 |
|
General
|
I don think she's relly waste of space, I admit that sometimes she could get annoying whenever had a fight with her, (probably her spear keep swinging out) but overall, she a nice chacerter. Well, if wasnit for her, where would jaggernaut came from??? |
|
|
|
| Seraphil | Oct 3 2007, 08:26 AM Post #11 |
The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
|
Yue Ying is far and above my favorite female character in the DW series, alongside Sun Shang Xiang. I feel her US voice was pretty good in DW4, and faltered a bit in DW5, however it still doesn't really capture her character. The use of the bland and overly doting "my husband" instead of the respectful "Koumei(Kongming)-sama" in reference to Zhuge Liang changes her from a wise devotee to Shu's greatest mind to just another "wife character." If I could only have her DW5 looks(best looking female in that game!) combined with her DW4 or MO self, things would be much better. But why stop there? They could make her a more matriarchal character, acting as a sort of empathic foil to Zhuge Liang's coolheaded leadership in relation to Jiang Wei, Wei Yan, Xing Cai, or any other late-era Shu characters they add to DW. And I have big hopes for her weapon/moveset in DW6... though I think my idea of a gatling crossbow might be a bit of a stretch. :lol:
Aha... You go on the list. :mellow: |
| These are the Forum Rules. They are there for you to read and abide by them, not to ignore them. | |
|
|
|
| Qing Long | Oct 3 2007, 10:31 PM Post #12 |
青龙
|
Yue Ying is the favorite female character of my (real) brother. She's very bright, and I find her pretty even if they describe her not pretty. She's one of the female character with a good weapon and good moveset (The first female character of the Shu ^^) And no, I think it's the contrary she has an important place (to answer to the waste of space question) She has circular moveset, it's very useful ^^ And I watched a video in Youtube of Huang Yue Ying in Dynasty Tactics (I believe, I'm not sure) she's very funny when she talk lol (I didn't understand anything what she said, but her voice and action are funny) 
|
☆ o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|   Sorry for my bad English (English isn't my first language), forgive my mistakes, please, thank you ~ Family o Gallery o KW Addict o KW France o SOTW #43 o WO Avatar | |
|
|
|
| XiaoChan | Oct 3 2007, 10:32 PM Post #13 |
SHAWTY
|
I like her moves somewhat she's strong she's smart She gives girls in the DW series a good name! 
|
 Thank You GoW for letting have the same banner as you!!!  Husband- Sanada ♥ | |
|
|
|
| T.e.n | Oct 4 2007, 01:52 PM Post #14 |
|
Obsessive Yue Ying Fan OMG
|
Well, barring whether the information is real or not - her Wiki doesn't say that, the Wiki for DW characters does. Wow, it's so amazing to see such positive responses. And that the women of DW get lots of love (I never in a million years would have thought the Qiao's would be as popular as this!).
Awesome! And OH MY GOD, I know. My first long term DW exposure was DW5 on XBOX which had the Japanese voice track. I was listening and kept going 'Wait, she said Koumei-sama not 'My Husband' that's danna and what the hell she introduced herself as Getsuei not 'the wife of Zhuge Liang!'! Koei! Stop that!'.
Agreed and agreed (on that note, I couldn't believe how downgraded Zhen Luo and Shang Xiang's designs were - I was very sad). One note in DW5 that I missed was that her outfit resembled cloth more than anything; In DW4 they had practical armor and in DW5 they removed the stomach/chest plate and put in cloth. See, I think that's a great idea too. It reminds me of what I've read/seen in Japanese DW fandom (I think that in DW4, they started a trend where everyone called her Mama or something) and that would be a great addition. I've always hoped that they'd have her acting as more of a mother to Xing Cai, Guan Ping and especially Jiang Wei who I'd imagine she feels very very maternal towards (as well as prodigalish). Especially since I doubt they'd add Zhuge Zhan, seeing as how he didn't do much of anything. Oh man, that'd be amazing. Or hell, have them raid Japan and give her guns. <3
YES~, yes they did. And even Zhen Luo got better writing (In her Musou, she at least kept noting that Cao Pi met -her- standards and that he was -her- equal). And that cat fight was amusing in a shallow way, but really didn't do much for me either. So yes - total agreement with you there!
Bwahahah, I know. I think she needs to stop that too. |
|
From the moment of birth, every human being wants happiness and does not want suffering. - Tenzin Gyatso | |
|
|
|
| M.O.G. | Oct 6 2007, 07:19 AM Post #15 |
Michael on my right, and Raziel on my left
|
I really like her. She's my 2nd fav girl. She's got a nice moveset and good voice but her musou mode is just bad. I wish that she would forget about Zhuge. Maybe she could try to prove tht her strategies are better or something. And tood bad for her because Zhen Ji won me over when she talks down to Pi in DW5.
|
 Thanks GLP, deepdrive, zenkokuku, G.O.W., Jsun, PoW, and nenemeia for the sigs and avatars. "This...is my Tashinkou Shinden: Gaou Sôryu Enrenshô" - Mitsuomi Takayanagi | |
|
|
| zenkokuku | Oct 10 2007, 06:44 AM Post #16 |
|
I don't think shes a waste of space, the more playable characters the better. |
|
|
|
| Mike4DOA | Oct 20 2007, 11:47 AM Post #17 |
Sergeant
|
I agree, she is the best playable character in DW series and she uses a weapon that matches her prowess in combat. SSX is also a good char but the rest of them is rather negligable. what i've seen from DW6 makes Diao chan a better char with her whip and all. i'm not pleased with SSX getting a bow. an i hope the won't do smt stupid with yue ying. I also loath the tacky translations and personality they gave her. in warriors orochi she at least could make hert own choises based on her personality there. She was quite an independant woman and Zhuge Liang kinda relied on her skills in engineering and tactical warfare. (She made him look good) He might have had great knoledge about people and the universe an running things. But she was the real warrior. it's quite a thing starting in the year 500 AD that war became just a male thing and even than a lot of women fought in wars.  So it's not because the novel didn't mention them as people going to war they didn't participate. (note that the one who translated the novel from chinese was both a sexist and a homofoob, since he diminishes the role of women and the bisexuality of those times).In short, I like Yue Ying and don't you dare to touch her KOEI!! :angry: maybe improve on her move sets and outfits...... <_< Speaking of which. Does anyone else think her outfits make her look toooooooo much like a housewife than an inventor or general? :wacko: |
| Last year i paid with a smile, this year they want cash | |
|
|
|
| StrikeForce9 | Oct 23 2007, 11:03 AM Post #18 |
Is That All You Got?
|
I don't think she's a waste of space b/c her personality is great and her moveset is good. She's the first and best woman in Shu (although my fav woman is Zhen Ji). Koei only needs to change her outfit a bit and perhaps her weapon... then Zhuge Liang wil have a perfect wife in DW6
|
 Game Wishlist: God of War III, Final Fantasy XIII KOEI Warriors Clan (Killzone 2) | |
|
|
|
| T.e.n | Oct 23 2007, 05:51 PM Post #19 |
|
Obsessive Yue Ying Fan OMG
|
Just saying that I agree with you 100%. Well, alright - I'm not sure about if she actually was involved directly, but with your main points and the fact that the writer was both sexist and homophobic in a direct as well an institutional way. I really do worry for Yue Ying in DW6, but here's hoping Omega Force and KOEI do something that sweeps us off our feet. |
|
From the moment of birth, every human being wants happiness and does not want suffering. - Tenzin Gyatso | |
|
|
|
| PostalOrder | Oct 23 2007, 07:44 PM Post #20 |
Tiger General
|
I love Yue Ying. She's gorgeous and strong and her personality WAS great. They butchered her in DW5... still had some awesome moves and musou, looked lovely but her personality... ugh. I like Zhuge Liang and all, but there was no reason for her to go crawling around sniffing after his scraps all through the game. She was someone to be feared and respected in DW4 now she's just another mindless wimp. |
     
| |
|
|
|
| Kimmy | Oct 24 2007, 05:28 PM Post #21 |
He's bringing sexy back! :3
|
I really dont like Yue Ying at all. I generally dont like warrior girls though. Its her personality i find that it gets quite annoying and boring at times and her voice ugh i cringe whenever she says "now is the time for proper strategy". Her husbands a stategist for crying out loud! I admit her moveset can be alright at times and good on her for standing up to Zhen Ji and Cao Pi ..well...kind of. |
  Thank you, Jiahe for the sigs! :3 KW Family l Region Banner l Cao Cao Addict l Present From Cao Pi :3 | |
|
|
|
| T.e.n | Oct 24 2007, 06:56 PM Post #22 |
|
Obsessive Yue Ying Fan OMG
|
Well, she is too. They're both tacticians and strategists. They just focused on different things and had different strengths - Kongming on politics, grand scale battle strategy, and traps/decieving people. Yue Ying on ground tactics, geography and engineering, and astrology. |
|
From the moment of birth, every human being wants happiness and does not want suffering. - Tenzin Gyatso | |
|
|
|
| tonsofun | Oct 24 2007, 09:34 PM Post #23 |
Officer
|
I loved playing as Yue Ying. Her move set was one of the coolest looking in the game. All this talk of yy makes me wanna get dw5 out again |
|
|
|
| T.e.n | Oct 25 2007, 03:59 PM Post #24 |
|
Obsessive Yue Ying Fan OMG
|
Just to throw this out there since I think it's really fun to see other interpretations of the Sangoku characters. Here's one from the game Sangokushi Taisen; Huang Yue Ying (Kou Getsuei) by the famous CLAMP. I think it's one of the only cards they did, too. (Thanks greatly to Satsu Ryu for finding the image!) Now, I'm not saying I love this interpretation - I wish CLAMP had made her one of their more trademark older ladies - but this is really neat and the design sense is pretty cool. Plus, I don't want to punch her in the face like KessenMonster!Yue Ying. Some of the ideas here (the glasses, the LOTS of robots, etc.) are pretty neat and wouldn't be the worst idea to incorperate. Here is her other card from the game, done by Kazama Raita.  I can't actually tell what's going on very well, but I think she's holding a potion alluding to her being a chemist or something. Which would also be very cool. |
|
From the moment of birth, every human being wants happiness and does not want suffering. - Tenzin Gyatso | |
|
|
|
| T.e.n | Oct 26 2007, 03:06 PM Post #25 |
|
Obsessive Yue Ying Fan OMG
|
Following up on a point that was brought up by Sengoku Robo Samuraioh -
I believe I've seen this appear in alot of 4-Koma for SSM as well; Yue Ying being played as a matriarchial figure. And considering SSM5 seems to be focusing quite a bit on character interaction, I'm excited to see what steps they take. Her maternal instinct showed up quite a bit in Musou Orochi, to many people whom weren't even in Shu - most interestingly, in my mind, was her unique dialogue with Masamune Date in Jie Ting. Yue Ying: The ignorance of youth is no excuse for your actions! Masamune: You are the ignorant one, for not seeing Orochi's greatness! Masamune seems to lash out quite a bit, and while I can see her being angry with him and not excusing what he did - she's also one of the people I'd imagine to openly forgive him and begin to nurture some of his more explosive tendancies. It was also nice to see Jiang Wei and her openly caring about each other ina familial way; especially since he's played as their son quite often in 4-Koma and fanart. For example, ganked from a fanart site -  And I know there was a 4-Koma that had Jiang Wei calling her 'Mommy', and then everyone started calling her 'Mommy'. The family unit here - Zhuge Liang, Yue Ying and Jiang Wei - is sort of a nice 2nd generation family unit of 3 that forms the heart of Shu (first you had the brothers of Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei, and then you have Zhuge Liang, Yue Ying and Jiang Wei). But even beyond that, what do you guys think her relationship with other Shu officers would be like? I'd imagine that she'd be more of a teacher and considerate figure to Guan Ping and Xing Cai since they have their own Mums. I'd imagine Xing Cai would find some sort of comfort in the fact that she's not the only female officer in the troop; but more so that the other one there is very competent and an excellent fighter. Her relationship with Wei Yan is interesting; since it's pretty evident that Zhuge Liang doesn't like him but she is at least fond of him (In Warriors Orochi, in the Goemon Shu stage - if you chase him as her, she goes 'Stop! Think of poor Wei Yan!'). I can see her berating Zhuge Liang for sticking his mouth in his foot when it's quite aware he's devoted to Liu Bei's cause. Anyways, any thoughts? Or something? :lol: |
|
From the moment of birth, every human being wants happiness and does not want suffering. - Tenzin Gyatso | |
|
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Character Specific Discussions · Next Topic » |
7:38 PM Nov 23
