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| Topic Started: Oct 2 2007, 04:15 PM (7,817 Views) | |
| Manji | Oct 26 2007, 04:10 PM Post #26 |
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You know, I always thought Yue Ying was just an average character. Her move set is decent, and her personality is very normal (it's a good thing), albeit, a bit boring. She is one of the more truly "human" characters in DW, which is something I do respect about her. But I always got the impression that she suffers from the stereotypical "wife" attitude that is pasted on some many female characters in Koei's games. She basically goes about supporting Zhuge Liang to an obsessive extent. However, I haven't played Musou Orochi, but from what I've read, she seems to adapt more for herself in that scenario. I think it's wonderful that she is maternal to the other Shu officers and always insists the best from them, despite how Zhuge Liang may feel towards them. ((Just one question about your post, Tennoarashi, what is 4-Koma?)) Anyways, I have to agree with your character analysis, you always have such a wonderful grasp of the character's personalities... are you a literature teacher, or something? I'm looking forward to seeing Yue Ying's new design in DW6. Hopefully she will be able to stick up for herself more, like in Warriors Orochi. I'm afraid she was a bit of a pushover in DW5. (Maybe I'm wrong though, I haven't played as her since the game came out). |
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| Will | Oct 26 2007, 04:22 PM Post #27 |
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Nice pictures of Yue Ying. Moree please. Im glad to see that people like him, I thought I was the only one here in the forum that likes her. |
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| T.e.n | Oct 26 2007, 05:31 PM Post #28 |
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It's pretty interesting that you bring that up, because that actually tends to be popular fandom opinions of her, because she wasn't any form of extremist when she first showed up to make her personality 'notable'. 'She's ok, pretty boring...' 'Not much personality...' 'Fun to play as, but sort of plain...'. It's not bad, it's just interesting to see. :lol: Then... yeah. She becomes part of the Zhuge Liang fandom that sacrifices Wei Yan every chance they get in order to praise the holy Zhuge Liang. And I like Zhuge Liang - I actually like them as a couple - but holy crap, he's not god. And it's such a shame so many women in the games are like that. Oh, if you like a more independant Yue Ying - you'd enjoy it. She's actually a major supporting character in Shu's story, introduced early on. It's not perfect - she does sort of change demeanors almost entirely when she meets him - but it's great to see her interacting with people who aren't them. Oh! 4-Koma are those 4 panel gag comics that are released in anthologies in Japan.
Oh, thanks! That's really sweet of you to say. I wish I was a teacher, but actually I do Data Integrity & Research for this conferencing company. I'm... actually at work right now; not doing any. :ph43r:  I'm looking forward to it, too. Though I do have pretty strong reservations about actually liking it, considering what I've seen of Shang Xiang and Diaochan. And I wholeheartedly agree with you about sticking up for herself; she's her own person OmegaForce - let's have her act like it! Ha~, thanks. I can't take credit but I do find some nice stuff once in a while - but I have trouble finding Japanese fanart for SSM, oddly. And there are quite a few people who like her! You aren't alone. It's just that most of us are so dissapointed with her personality in DW5, and the people who didn't like her before didn't really start to now. On a side note, I'm actually beginning to look at very shallow week-based astrological profiles based on one of these books I bought recently.... I'm going to place Yue Ying's date of birth somewhere between July 3-10th (my SSM3 databook didn't list it), which makes alot of sense thematically. |
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| T.e.n | Oct 26 2007, 06:04 PM Post #29 |
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Alright, here's another topic that I need to bring up as well - the notable change in Yue Ying's design. Now, this post is not attacking KOEI or the like. The company is great for even coming up with this wonderful series. But as a purchaser and buyer and a human being, I have a right to criticize as well. Firstly, we must look at Yue Ying's original design. Image ganked from Yue-Ying.net~...  Here, let's look at it. Yue Ying's overall shilllouette - the outside shape of her design - is pretty distinct, but it lacks a sort of flair. You can tell she was inspired by alot of Valkyrie designs (Battle Maiden's, etc.) in that her skirt actually appears armored and her shoulders have large bicep protectors. Importantly, she has stomach armor. This was pretty important in warefare because well.. if you got gutted, you're dead. Granted, this is a dramatization of war so you have characters that notable get away without it (Gan Ning, Zhuge Liang, etc.) but with her it doesn't make much sense to not have it as it lets the viewer visually infer that she is serious about phsyical battle in a practical way. You can easily tell from the design that she's practical, she's prepared, but she also has her own unique flair - a battle dress is pretty unique to see in the middle of battle, and there's a clear sense of durability (sensible footwear!). Now, we'll compare this to her DW5 design.  Noticable difference, right? The shillouette/outer shape of her design has been given more dramatic line - the outside of her dress has a clear flare (think the bottom of women's jeans or so, triangle shape) and everything is more pointed. The first thing to note is her hair - it's slightly longer and less frayed than before. A bit more 'in place', as it is. The second part to note is the accentuation of pink on her design at the ends of her sleeves and dress. Pink is an excellent compliment to green. Finally, we get to the armor. Her shoulder armor looks tougher! That's good, it's more decorative, visually notable AND looks like it would offer great protection. However, her stomach armor looks gone. Wait... No. It just has been made so it looks like a corset more than anything. With a sash around it and a bow flowing at the back! Only one of her breasts is covered with thin armor, compared to previously when both where. There is a large peice of cloth draping in front of her crotch; it's pink and yellow toned. It doesn't serve much purpose. Her dress has been changed to a more deliate layered peice; pretty and flows nicely. However, the top layer now looks like cloth whereas before the top layer resembled metal (sheet or otherwise). Her tartus guards (front of her hand, opposite side of palm) guards are gone. And while I love them, she has heeled boots now. So, let's compare - DW 4; - Easily identifiable armor that was practical - Shillouette that appeared as a dress - Flat footwear - Basic color scheme of white, green, yellow DW 5; - Armor identified on shoulder and lower arm - Shillouette that appears as a dress - Heeled footwear - Basic colour scheme of pink, green, white and gold I'm just going to throw this out there and you guys can draw your own conclusions. |
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| zenkokuku | Oct 26 2007, 11:09 PM Post #30 |
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Wow nice analysis, I never realised these small differences of her until now. If your asking me which 1 is better, I'd go for her DW5 design, she also looks skinnier there too. And I agree with the allusion to Valkyrie designs. The ear plate on her headband resembles the helms of the Valkyries. High heels... Yeah, I think it might've been better for her to wear flatter footwear since heeled footwear makes her look more like a lady than a warrior. It might also be inconvenient for her on the battlefield (but obviously they haven't taken footwear into consideration). And no, I still don't think she's a waste of space as she is an addition to the playable officers available and that's a bonus. |
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| quocthai | Oct 27 2007, 03:56 AM Post #31 |
Prince of Jiang Dong.
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I think her desire not good. She pretty, no offend. She maybe a sexiest woman in the game. But she sopport to but less atracttive, and more interligent. |
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| T.e.n | Oct 27 2007, 09:01 PM Post #32 |
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I actually would like that too, if she was less conventionally attractive. I understand that she is noticeably different looking compared to the other DW women, but the game outright says that she was attractive and lied so she would find a husband who was interested because of her wits instead of her looks. While that's smart within the era contextually, it still would have been nicer if they hadn't said she was 'hot, too'. Rather, people can find her attractive on their own and she can look different from the cultural understanding of beauty at that time - which is why I tend towards her DW4 design. She's less 'pretty' there. And yes, being openly more intelligent and assertive with that intelligence would be awesome as well. |
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| T.e.n | Oct 29 2007, 06:16 PM Post #33 |
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Alright, no random social critique or analysis today - Just random fanart/comics I'd scoured featuring Yue Ying. Since most of these are Japanese and my reading comprehension is **** D:, anyone who can - feel free to translate these. I'll also be crediting them soon (I'm just actually doing work at work today, sadly). First of all, this just needs to be linked because bwahah. :lol:         
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| Rydain | Oct 30 2007, 01:49 AM Post #34 |
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In response to the title question, Yue Ying definitely isn't a waste of space. I can't say I've mastered her, but she does have a nifty set of attacks. I'm really liking all this artwork from fans and other games. That Sangokushi Taisen card is my favorite because of the entire genius mechanic vibe. As a dorky eleven-year-old kid, I idolized Gadget of the Rescue Rangers, and that card reminds me of her. I'll have to direct my Yue Ying fangirl friend to this thread.  Where do you even start looking for all this cool fan art? My initial Google searches didn't turn up much. |
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| quocthai | Oct 30 2007, 01:53 AM Post #35 |
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You are crazy about Yue Ying hah. |
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| T.e.n | Oct 30 2007, 02:30 AM Post #36 |
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They're pretty interesting; not insanely innovative ALA Pang De or Cao Ren, but it's essentially a softer more fluid version of spear attacks. Which is what a scythe like her's leads to. I'm glad. :lol: Oh! Wasn't Gadget awesome? She was the only one to actually get them out of trouble with her brain, while Monty was all 'I'm Huang Gai! RAAAaAH! =walk through stuff='. Oh, please direct. The more fans the better. <3 As for looking for the fanart, well - YueYing.Net has Japanese fanart links. So what I do is sift through those galleries, and then I make sure to check out those site's link pages and so on and so on. @quocthai - Oh yes. <3 She's by far my favourite character in the game; I wasn't even going to bother playing if it weren't for her. |
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| quocthai | Oct 30 2007, 02:35 AM Post #37 |
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You Know. I Hate Kongming but if you are Yue Ying than I will be Zhuge Kongming |
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| T.e.n | Oct 30 2007, 02:46 AM Post #38 |
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Oh, that's - that's very sweet of you and a large compliment, but no thank you.  Besides, I think you enjoy being like Gan Ning much more - wouldn't you say? |
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| quocthai | Oct 30 2007, 02:51 AM Post #39 |
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yeah carefree personal and Pick up the girl anytime really my real persona. Not to philosophy like your husband |
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| T.e.n | Oct 30 2007, 02:54 AM Post #40 |
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Oh, big stud aren't you. :lol: It's nice to see you settling in with a KOEI warriors family, though. And yes, philosophy, sociology, psychology, astrology.... I find all of those things fun. Yue Ying being a smart person who's more importantly educated; it's almost debilitating how much you need other people as smart as you to be with on a close level. |
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| quocthai | Oct 30 2007, 02:57 AM Post #41 |
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philosophy, sociology, psychology, astrology. That what I giving up. Eatology, Gamelogy, Babelogy, Jokelogy is my style |
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| T.e.n | Oct 31 2007, 02:33 AM Post #42 |
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Since I hadn't posted anything during the day - long story - I have some raw gifts for you all/me. Scans from the Shin Sangoku Musou 3 Databook. I know the awesome YueYing.Net has scans from it, and some of these are just higher resolution quality images that they have, but there's some scans of stuff that isn't there. So let's begin. These scans are mine. You can take them and use them, but please don't take credit for the scans themselves. First are Yue Ying's alternate models from DW4. Sorry about the blurry; the actual image is pretty small.  Anyways! Since this is backpedaling from my design analysis thingy from before, I'll just continue from that and say that while the dress design looks awkward on the model - it looks great on paper. But that cannot beat my absolute favourite designs on the page which are model 3 and model 5, whereas in the game nothing really beats model 6. Model 3 probably edges out model 5 since it's exactly what I want in a design for her - it creates pointed angles that were prevalent in her DW5 outfit, but it still has all of the armor PLUS a unique colour scheme that seperates her. I would have used this alot more in the game if the model didn't come with blue/black hair; that just looked odd. Model 5 did that as well. Model 6 looks strange, but in the actual game it looked like gold. We have to remember, for the most part we're going to be looking at these models from the back and while they're running/attacking. And model 6 shined there; the skirt colour was GOLD rather than just a yellow; so it looked much more in tune with the green shirt. And when she ran, the skirt created a nice billow that WASN'T like a cape; so it looked consistent. So basically, model 3 (followed closley by model 5) is my favourite art wise - but in-game model wise, model 6 all the way. Interesting note - in DW5, models 3 & 4 are previous ones. Now, her model 4 - which is generally everyone's DW model 4 - is coloured differently. The purple is recoloured as brown. It makes a HUGE difference, and looks great. Next, we have a clipping from her data page.  Just some basic data... in Japanese, for those who want to read it. My reading comprehension went down to 0, so all I can say is that the 4 stats list her name (in Hanzi/Kanji and Hiragana (Getsuei)), her age (Kongming is 22 in this), her height (which is around 5'7 for you Americans I think, Kongming is 180CM), and her weapon. It also lists her voice data during fights - just lots of 'Watashi wa kokomade desu' and 'Ahh' 'Fu' 'Uwaaaa'. Her voice clip during her Musou was 'Maerimasu!'. Most interesting though, is her nickname. This is pretty common in Japanese games with lots of characters (Street Fighter had it all the way through, almost) so it's just another fun peice of trivia. Since I can, here are everyone's in the game. Wei Cao Cao - The Majestic Premier Sima Yi - Brain of the Darkness Xiahou Dun - Mighty Commander Xiahou Yuan - The Swift Vanguard Zhang Liao - The Prussian Blue Trooper Xu Huang - The White Knight Zhang He - Dance of the Deadly Butterfly Cao Ren - The Heavy Metal Matador Xu Zhu - The Silent Tiger Dian Wei - The Loyal Bodyguard Zhen Ji - The Violet Queen Wu Sun Jian - The Lion-Hearted King Sun Ce - The Red Cyclone Sun Quan - Deep Green Eyes Sun Shang Xiang - The Angel of Wrath Zhou Yu - Passion of Crimson Huang Gai - Gentle Heart Cyclops Lu Meng - Stormy Warrior Lu Xun - Sonic Swallow Gan Ning - The Courageous Brawler Taishi Ci - The Rising Thunder Zhou Tai - The Silent Fencer Da Qiao - The Innocent Mermaid Xiao Qiao - The Angelic Doll Shu Liu Bei - The Lord of Virtue Guan Yu - The God of Battle Zhang Fei - The Strength Zhuge Liang - The Wizard of Fortune Zhou Yu - The Blue Dragon Ma Chao - The Justice Avenger Huang Zhong - The Shooting Star Wei Yan - Murder in the Battlefield Pang Tong - Intellectual Black Bird Jiang Wei - Gallant Unicorn Yue Ying - Ms. Moonlight Other Dong Zhuo - The Demonic Ruler Lu Bu - Violence Hurricane Diao Chan - The Fatal Lady Zhang Jiao - Miracle Sorcerer Yuan Shao - The Sword of Honor Meng Huo - The King of Woods Zhu Rong - The Empress of Blaze Last, we have Yue Ying's weapons - which we may have to say goodbye to considering DW6.  From Left to Right - Sanka / War Spear, Butouka / Martial Spear, Sougetsu / Horizon, Koteisougetsu / Oblivion. Things to take note of include that they are all 'taller' than her, the name for her 4th weapon in Japanese is something I like far more than her English one ('Pale Moon at the Lake's Bottom' VS 'Oblivion' and 'Pale Moon' VS 'Horizon') and that this is another peice of evidence that the Japanese interpretation of her really has these Moon allusions in place (her name, her nickname, her weapon, the silver, etc.). |
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| GoW | Nov 6 2007, 02:16 PM Post #43 |
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I'm bumping this up now, because I know everyone is ga-ga over her new look, even more so than than the main "hotties". I guess KOEI just couldn't picture a woman wielding that wicked weapon anymore so they gave her a bow as well. But that will be 4 bow users now, assuming Xiahou Yuan keeps his. |
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| Will | Nov 6 2007, 02:24 PM Post #44 |
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Blue Dragon is Guan Yu's weapon and you spell Zhao Yun wrong... lol... are you japanese? I dont get why people call Zhuge Liang a Wizard. |
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| Occult | Nov 6 2007, 02:46 PM Post #45 |
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WTF... I thought they were trying to stick to the book/ history Yue Ying is UBER HOT!!! Im certantly not compaining! Not even that she uses a bow cos whos to say she wasnt given the bow before SSX? You all probably wouldnt like me here cos i thought she was mediocre previously but man... JUST LOOK AT HER! |
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| Will | Nov 6 2007, 02:49 PM Post #46 |
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woah this is nice! thanks alot! avatar update!
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| quocthai | Nov 6 2007, 02:51 PM Post #47 |
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Red hair yue Ying with a bow. What a odd outlook |
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| Occult | Nov 6 2007, 02:52 PM Post #48 |
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Was her hair not red before? just concealed more? |
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| quocthai | Nov 6 2007, 02:58 PM Post #49 |
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She use to be charming but not anymore with her hair now. I hate Koei now. |
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| Occult | Nov 6 2007, 03:52 PM Post #50 |
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Youre kidding right. Koei has turned Yue Ying from a boring housewife into kick ass elf princess (without the pointy ears) and they still managed to make her more defined than the likes of other kick ass females (eg Zhen Ji is evil b!tch kick ass but yue Ying is "I may be good but I take no crap from anyone-kick ass) YEY KOEI I am definatly not dissapointed!
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