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Mitsuhide Akechi; Good guy, Bad guy; he's still cool
Topic Started: Jul 14 2007, 11:33 PM (3,328 Views)
foomin
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Mitsuhede is one of the more consistant male characters for me(barring his tangled stories). i like his moveset just fine, but i always find myself wishing that his MS was a little bit more like Ranmaru's(easily my favorite sword characters from ANY Warriors game). i'm hoping Mitsuhede gets a less "busy" Musou in SW3 and maybe a sword breaker, as well as his Katana, just a little something to make him more special. and get rid of the big legged pants, i liked his SW1 costume's bottom half better.
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Apr 23 2008, 06:43 AM
I tend to spam his R1 Square attack for the Death effect.

Too bad the Shura element got nerfed in SW2: XL :angry:

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Apr 22 2008, 01:02 AM
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Apr 21 2008, 08:09 PM
Though his moves do look appealing to me, I would like to see somewhat of a change. I have been playing with basically that move set for a long time now and I think its time. Probably because I've used him so much though.

You've got to love his C5 whirlwind though. That move just made me  act gobsmacked when I saw it for the first time in SW2.

Mitsuhide was the first ever Koei character that I used. I say that because SW2 was the first ever Koei game I had the pleasure of playing. Anyway, I liked his C5 as well when I first saw it. In retrospect, however, I think he (and Hideyoshi since their C5s are virtually identical) would benefit more from a C5 that's similar to Kenshin's and Nagamasa's (ground pounding).

Two reasons for this:

1) Mitsuhide goes airborne at the same time his opponents do. Although you can technically perform a jump charge or hit square to continue hitting an officer, Mitsuhide is also quite vulnerable against opponents that do not get hit by his C5. This is critical especially against groups of hyper generals (e.g., Survival Mode missions vs. all of Oichi's bodyguards or all of Nagamasa's men including Nagamasa himself).

2) Ground pounding (in the manner Kenshin and Nagamasa do in their respective C5s) allows for more juggle opportunities and can make better use of the special skill called Preparation (you'll see me mentioning this skill a lot)

While Mitsuhide is one of the more versatile characters in the game thanks to his ability to circle opponents, I would definitely change some of his charge attacks. I find his C1, C2 and C3 useless (as is the case with most normal-types). As far as his C4 is concerned, I'd like it more if it were his R1 from Warriors Orochi --- a quick draw with an air wave similar to Jubei's signature move in the Ninja Scroll series.

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His C1, C2 and C3 are useless I agree. His C3 is nearly as useless as Yoshihiro's in fact. Well, not that bad haha. Though with a speed upgrade he can travel quickly with his C1.

Thats what I tend to do with his C5 - I do his C5 then continue on with a square followed by whatever is the situation I suppose.

You can use both of his specials but for a different goal rather then trying to kill someone. His R1 + S can be used to knock the officer down. So if he blocks the first, the second should go straight through him. This is also useful for a fast strike attack when you see an officer plunge at you. Whereas his other special is just a counter that has quite a decent time limit to it.

Anyone else find his new C9 useless? It's hard to connect to an officer and does very weak damage also. His C8 is far superior, though not as cool. :P
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his C9 deal BIG damage! If you can't aim just release the analog stick to get the job done :P
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Apr 24 2008, 02:57 AM
his C9 deal BIG damage! If you can't aim just release the analog stick to get the job done :P

His full moon attack? I basically spammed that at one point and it was doing nothing but sometimes breaking the officers guard. Though his C8 does that anyway and has much more range.
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use it when you already juggle an officer :mellow: it automatically became my favourite finisher :lol:
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Mitsuhide seems to be so very outshined in this game. Since Nobunaga himself is taken out of the spot light, it seems that Mitsuhide's most noteworthy deed (killing Oda) isn't even all that important. I like him plenty, but he just doesn't stand out at all. He doesn't appear in many battles and I tend to simply associate him with an early antagonist to Toyotomi.

In SW1, with so few characters, he really felt like a linchpin and in SW2 he feels like a bonus character for nostalgic sake.
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Just like with the previous incarnations of Zhou Yu, he doesn't really give a player anything to talk about. Not much anyway. And since Zhou Yu now has been given a fresh new exciting look, I would hope for Mitsuhide to be give the same.

Like I said, his appeal is rotting a bit and he's becoming too dry.
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Apr 24 2008, 01:43 PM
Like I said, his appeal is rotting a bit and he's becoming too dry.

Yeah but that is only taking into consideration two installments, with that said i would like Mitsuhide to become once again a major player in SW3, someone that makes an impact, appearance wise i'd like him to be more similar to his SW appearance...

However i do not have much a problem with his SW2 storyline, while it may seem a little less 'colourful' than his SW one, it was pretty good, i liked his whole conflicted emotions and it portrayed his relationship with Nobunaga a lot better than in the the first one, they thankfully got rid of the weird relationship he had with Ranmaru which frankly should not have existed to the extent that they had it in SW1, I guess both stories had their merits and hopefully the best elements of both are combined for SW3....
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I think I started liking Mitsuhide the moment I saw him perform that quick draw special :lol:

Personality wise, I don't have much to say here. It's passable, I did like how Samurai Warriors 2 went into deeper detail about his emotions and his turbulent relationship with Nobunaga. Though it really disappointed me in the Honnouji scene where he just totally crumpled under the pressure...I mean if you're going to go THAT far, why the hell would you turn back? All the people that have died in the rebellion, friend or foe, would've done so for nothing. I also felt he could've performed better in his final battle, I thought he was being a bit lax considering that his life and followers were at stake.

Moveset-wise, Mitsuhide is one of my favorite characters to use. He's one of the true master-swordsman characters, alongside Musashi (I don't count Sasaki Kojiro due to his "extra-dimensional blades"). Both his specials have great use. His counter move especially, as it makes for an effective defensive tool. His quick draw was especially powerful in SW2, though it's weakened a bit in XL. His C1, C2, C3 are pretty useless as many have mentioned. His normal string is pretty good, since you can use it to circle around an officer's guard. His C4 is passable, but it's totally outshined by his other moves. His C5 is great when you've got a wall to your back, or you're being hasseled by multiple foes. His C6 is just plain fantastic, as it could deal a huge amount of damage upon officers and is a great followup for juggling combos. His C7 is not bad, and is especially useful against officers since it's a throw move and ignores guard. His C8 is a great move as it guard breaks and possesses formidable range...though officers tend to roll under the attack in higher difficulties. His C9 just adds flare to his overall moveset, it's not bad, but it's not great either. To add to his strengths, he's also capable of some tricky infinites. Overall, he's a solid character and has tools that allow him to excel in any situation. I really don't see any detrimental weaknesses. Overall, if any, his weaknesses are pretty minor. He's not the best character in the game, but he's one of the better ones.
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Yeah, since the shura element has been weakened then that made his quick draw much less effective in killing. Its only real use is for getting out of tough situations, such as performing it when you expect the enemy to get the first touch. So in fact, it's basically a quick draw and slash from the weapon; just as the description implies.

So in other words, it's still useful.
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I don't think he is outshined in SM2, he has much more focus instead.....and he is one of the few character has all 5 unique CG movies(it all unique and you can't find in anyone else story) long with Nagamasa and Sakon.
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For some reason, when I read his 4th weapon requirements, I noticed something strange - it must of changed over the years? I thought it was to keep the allies alive near Okuni, Keiji, Katsuie and stop those defecting near Masamune. However, even though keeping them alive would've helped and resulted in the same outcome, it made me struggle to keep those allies alive and not just any 4.

It was actually quite simple to keep 4 alive near the main camp. So it was much simpler.

It was 2 years ago when I last got the weapon, so perhaps during the time, someone found another solution to it?
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I vote for GREAT MOVESET AND PERSONALITY

He is my favorite character in SW1 because he is handsy XD, but not much liking him in SW2 eventhough he has Combo set (my favorite set)

Oh well, he has better outfit in SW2 :)
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He's my favourite, in terms of personality AND moveset.

His personality is one that I really adore, especially the SW1 version. You will find me able to argue on this for ages, just because I adore him that much. I guess I should not expand on this because I could go on and on. :3
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May 27 2008, 10:21 PM
has nice personality and has 1 of the the best movests ^_^
love his hair

a tiny bit off topic, but you do know that historically Nobunaga taunted Mitsuhede for his baldness. it seems ironic that KOEI gave Mitshuhede all that hair..
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Mitsuhide is a baldy in the history?! o.O
very funny

His new C9 is a cool one,but often missed and hard to control :)
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In history everything is different including the characters. Mitsuhide is very good i play him most of the time because his moveset is so quick and his personality is smooth. kinda reminds me of mitsunari.
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Gracia- What was my dad good at?

Mago- He had the best hair. No question.

Find that line kind of funny knowing he was bald.
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Gracia- What was my dad good at?

Mago- He had the best hair. No question.

Find that line kind of funny knowing he was bald.

No way, that's a line in the game? That's hilarious. XD

And yes, in response to the bald Mitsuhide, I think historically Nobunaga actually called Mitsuhide "Kumquat head" (to his strong dislike, I'm sure).

Ah, regardless, Mitsu's one of my favorite SWers. Excellent moves and the good looks don't hurt either. I'm also very fond of his True Musou quote, "Why do you rush to death? ... I suppose it is fate!"
I wouldn't mind if he lost all the purple clothing though... in SW1 I preferred his navy and white hakama, I wouldn't mind if it was brought back. I thought the wide pants with the body armor just looked odd on his SW2 model.

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they thankfully got rid of the weird relationship he had with Ranmaru which frankly should not have existed to the extent that they had it in SW1


Nooo! The awkward Ranmaru, Mitsuhide, and Nobunaga LOVE TRIANGLE SHALL REIGN AGAIN!
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EDIT: @ Rock- I don't have SW2 XL... but thanks.

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It's around the start of Gracias dream.

Also something I found interesting while watching the History channel yesterday. They said the person to kill Nobunaga was Hashiba Hideyoshi not Mitsuhide. Idiots.
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Also something I found interesting while watching the History channel yesterday. They said the person to kill Nobunaga was Hashiba Hideyoshi not Mitsuhide. Idiots.

Chances are, they looked at a summarized report..

-Hashiba Hideyoshi succeeded Oda Nobunaga

Then they assumed that Hideyoshi killed him. That's my best bet. Either that, or they're just, quite simply..stupid.

Ah, so does that mean Mitsuhide is already dead in Gracia's story? :( I still haven't got SW2XL..should I even bother?
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Nope, Mitsuhide still alive up to her 5th stage, which was after Mitsuhide died. Won't spoil what happened to torture you, though this most likely won't :D
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Great moveset, great personality ^_^

I consider Mitsuhide a very special character to me because he is the reason I decided to try SW (plus his voice actor in SW1). He is very agile and fast when he fights and his added charge attacks in SW2 are very strong and impressive.

As for his personality, I like it because he's proud (without being arrogant) noble and sophisticated. The dilemma he faces during the second game makes him appear more humane and interesting, I believe. It's not always easy to draw a line between good and evil.

And I agree with Manji, his true musou quote is awesome! :)

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