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| Ike | Jan 2 2008, 06:51 PM Post #1 |
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INTRODUCTION “Do not bar the gates. Have you never heard of my exploit at Dangyang, when I laughed at Cao Cao’s many legions? Now that I have an army at my back and generals to help, what is there to fear?” — Zhao Yun ((NOTE:The above exploit is totally fake. ehehe.)) Directory: The first post has been edited by KauSu and I. Mostly because it was way out of due and several things needed addressing. Poll(s) were also removed. If anything else needs to be added, or you'd like in to be helpful let me know anyhow. Welcome, and enjoy your time here in the Romance of the three kingdoms general statistics discussion. Here you will find currently members enlightening others on their views regarding character potential and strengths. The main discussion taking place here is an officer stats. Which will later be explained. As a small index here is a list of things you may find and what you should know.
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Statistics: Stat functions of Romance of The Three Kingdoms (As of XI). Many have wondered, while looking at these stats "What are these stats for, just cool points?" No, they're not. They mainly serve on how your officer(s) perform adequately. This is also the main discussion, on what said characters need stat changes. Regarding favortism, history, general reasons. Or just discussion on given stats throughout the Romance of the three Kingdoms Series. So below, you'll find an explanation of every stat. LDR: Leadership. LDR's effect in domestic affairs is that it increases the officer's effectivity in inspecting your city. While in units, the unit's defensive capabilities is determined by the officer (and lieutenant's) LDR stat. WAR: War ability. WAR's effect is always connected to battle. It effects the drills of the soldiers, to increase their will. It also sets the attack power of your unit. Also, in personal duels (Combat duels, or duels to persuade someone to join you) the attack of your officer increases. INT: Intelligence, or Intellect. INT is pretty obvious, this stat determines how accurate your strategist is when advising you, also, it effects the making of weapons. And is used in ploys like rumoring other cities, the higher it is, the higher is the chance of succeeding. Also in units, INT gives you a higher chance of succeeding with a strategy, like say, perturb. While it also raises your chance of resisting other units' strategies. Also, INT effects debates, a duel of Intellectuals. POL: Political ability. POL effects domestic matters, like searching and building (Civil and Military facilities). And is used in diplomacy, an officer with high POL will have a higher chance of succeeding in a task like Ceasefire, than an officer with mediocre POL. CHR: Charisma. This ability determines your officer's persuasive and attractive capabilities, you attract more soldiers when recruiting with a higher CHR officer. And persuasively, you can get officers to join you, you can (When combined with INT and high rank) persuade other forces to surrender.  Officer Template: To start off this is not necessary. It's just come to my attention that we don't have one. Maybe using one can makes things more neater and organized. You are more then welcomed to use your own. Here is our discussed version: [Name: Name of the officer.][StatVer: Stat version. Original or new.][Release: Game title.] [Reason: Provide a valid reason.] LDR: WAR: INT: POL: CHR: APT: Skill: Example: Yang Song [New stats] ROTKXI LDR: 100 WAR: 150 (hax0r, lol.) INT: 100 POL: 100 CHR: 100 APT: Spears A Pikes S Bows B Cavalry S Weaponry B Navy C Skill: Cavalry General Reason: Yang Song was the true hero of the three kingdoms. With his given stats he clearer was not given any liking. (Something to these effects. Or even forms of ranting.) Feel free to debate, discuss anything stat related, participate in the Q&A related stat stuff. Or whatever. CONCLUSION 
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| the glorious sun jian | Jan 12 2008, 01:12 PM Post #2 |
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I realy want Jian stats to return to ROTK10 LED;98 WAR;92 INT;77 POL;72 CHR;91 Dont you think that Jian deserves that ? |
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| Wenze | Jan 12 2008, 02:38 PM Post #3 |
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Some stats are pretty innacurate in most of the games, and they give Shu the greatest boost usually. Some need great boosts or reductions, and some are just plain disliked by the development staff. A lot of the stats bother me, particularly in Wei and Wu. A few examples: Current Cao Hong: LDR: 79 WAR: 81 INT: 44 POL: 35 CHR: 54 Projected stats: LDR: 85 WAR: 87 INT: 61 POL: 56 CHR: 72 Current Cao Chun: LDR: 75 WAR: 71 INT: 60 POL: 35 CHR: 72 Projected stats: LDR: 85 WAR: 80 INT: 65 POL: 54 CHR: 75 Current He Qi: LDR: 83 WAR: 78 INT: 72 POL: 64 CHR: 73 Projected stats: LDR: 92 WAR: 83 INT: 77 POL: 84 CHR: 76 Current Zhu Ran: LDR: 79 WAR: 69 INT: 71 POL: 60 CHR: 75 Projected stats: LDR: 88 WAR: 81 INT: 77 POL: 87 CHR: 76 I'll do some more later. And those stats for Sun Jian and Cao Zhang seem reasonable to me. |
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| Ike | Jan 13 2008, 07:27 AM Post #4 |
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Sun Jian did die pretty early, and only proved what he was able to do against Dong Zhuo. But I know if he had his life extended he would have done greater things. I think those stats are fine. But maybe his INT would be better at 79. And I agree with you Zhou Tai. But I'd find Zhu Ran more reasonable with his WAR at 77. |
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| KauSu | Jun 5 2009, 10:07 PM Post #5 |
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Current Zhang Liao: LDR: 93 WAR: 92 INT: 78 POL: 58 CHR: 78 Projected Stats: LDR: 98 WAR: 96 INT: 76 POL: 53 CHR: 88 Reason: He Fei should be enough, he has lower stats than people who haven't done anything better than he did, like Guan Yu for an example, Guan was "Said to be equal to 4123141men" and stuff like that, but all he did is get butchered @ mei castle. Zhang pulled off He Fei, he deserves higher LDR than Guan Yu, higher WAR so he's more on par with Zhao Yun/Guan Yu/Zhang Fei's WAR ability..etc. Current Yu Jin: LDR: 84 WAR: 78 INT: 70 POL: 57 CHR: 53 Projected stats: LDR: 82 WAR: 83 INT: 72 POL: 42 CHR: 66 Reason: All he ever did wrong was surrender @ fan. No reason to severely underrate one of the best Wei officers. Current Yue Jin: LDR: 80 WAR: 84 INT: 52 POL: 51 CHR: 65 Projected stats: LDR: 86 WAR: 89 INT: 68 POL: 51 CHR: 72 Reason: Again, I go with He Fei... He's underrated, even though he was praised as an equal to the likes of Xu Huang, Zhang Liao and so on.. Current Li Dian: LDR: 78 WAR: 77 INT: 79 POL: 74 CHR: 68 Projected stats: LDR: 88 WAR: 79 INT: 81 POL: 74 CHR: 82 Reason: He Fei again, also an officer that kept his fellow officers in check whenever they went ballistic must have been a very good leader, or at least a very charismatic person, don't ya think? Current Cao Hong: LDR: 79 WAR: 81 INT: 44 POL: 35 CHR: 54 Projected stats: LDR: 84 WAR: 86 INT: 67 POL: 60 CHR: 78 Reason: He's Cao Hong..fer cryin out loud, go read up on 'em. Note to Wenze: I stole yer style 'cause I liked it.  Note to all: I registered a hell of a long time ago but I forgot to post....:o. Is there a RTK X (English ver) for the PC? Oh and I'll do some other force's officers later, like Wu..or maybe Han/Dong Zhuo officers, who knows?~ EDIT: Didn't notice that it was an old thread. Ohwell. /revive it, anyway. :3 Edited by KauSu, Jun 5 2009, 10:08 PM.
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SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM KAUSU: Me thinks that Ike should get ze Modship. Why so? It's pretty simple. I'll modestly point out why: - Friendliness and great charisma. - Excellent communication skills. - Is expert at using BOTH of his functional brain cells. [ End of message ] | |
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| Ike | Jun 30 2009, 06:29 AM Post #6 |
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Hahahaha I remember this thread, thanks for updating I suppose and welcome back. Awesome list most Wei officers don't deserve what they got from Koei. Would be nice if a stat editor was a feature for the PS... and to answer your question there is a ROTK X for the PC. This might be able to help you, http://kongming.net/10/ :A |
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| KauSu | Jun 30 2009, 03:20 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks for the link. Now If I got desperate enough after not finding the ps2 version near me. I'll order X online, wait a few years untill it gets to sandland(saudi arabia). And yeah, Wei's officers were underrated..and they're spammed with the skill "Bowmanship". Wu in the early/mid scenarios are ownage though. If you set the lifespan to fictional..Sun Ce's valiant general, Jian's exterminate..Zhou Yu's divine fires..etc. -end of rant. (thanksagain, I love ike(THE CHARACTER) btw.) edit: Huangfu Song is underrated too. He deserves higher int/war/ldr. not a lot, but still.. Edited by KauSu, Jun 30 2009, 03:54 PM.
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SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM KAUSU: Me thinks that Ike should get ze Modship. Why so? It's pretty simple. I'll modestly point out why: - Friendliness and great charisma. - Excellent communication skills. - Is expert at using BOTH of his functional brain cells. [ End of message ] | |
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| Ike | Jul 16 2009, 06:02 PM Post #8 |
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Revive thread. I'll use Wenze's style too Current Bao Xin: LDR: 77 WAR: 67 INT: 81 POL: 73 CHA: 78 Projected stats: LDR: 80 WAR: 74 INT: 85 POL: 67 CHA: 79 Something about his current WAR has bugged me for a long while. Might as well balance. Current Cao Zhang: LDR: 82 WAR: 90 INT: 40 POL: 35 CHA: 76 Projected stats: LDR: 88 WAR: 94 INT: 60 POL: 57 CHA: 81 Favortism and he deserves so much more then what he was given. Also, since I've always been Cao Zhang's number one fan. ^_^ Current Cao Ang: LDR: 74 WAR: 67 INT: 66 POL: 68 CHA: 77 Projected stats: LDR: 76 WAR: 77 INT: 68 POL: 71 CHA: 82 Small change but he is brave how he's potrayed. Current Cao Hong: LDR: 79 WAR: 81 INT: 44 POL: 35 CHA: 54 Projected stats: LDR: 86 WAR: 84 INT: 62 POL: 47 CHA: 69 I'd like just a small changes on Hong. Some how I missed this topic oops. Yeah Ike is awesome lol. :) With Huangfu Song I agree. I'll add him sometime when I sort that out. |
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| KauSu | Jul 17 2009, 12:53 AM Post #9 |
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Some Wu stats, because I don't want to be biased~ Zhou Tai: Goal: Up/down from: LDR: 84 / 76 WAR: 92 / 91 INT: 56 / 48 POL: 16 / 38 (Zhou Tai, in domestics or politics? Yeahrighttt.) CHR: 68 / 60 Jiang Qin: LDR: 81 / 78. WAR: Same / 84. INT: 61 / 51. POL: Same. / 46. (Arrr. Build the markets mateys.) CHR: 78. / 74. Pan Zhang: LDR: 84 / 76 WAR: 85 / 80 INT: 78 / 70 POL: Same / 28 CHR: Same / 12 Xu Sheng: LDR: 90 / 87 WAR: 83 / 81 INT: 80 / 78 POL: 68 / 65 CHR: Same / 73 Zhu Ran, Zhu Huan, Ding Feng(Mario, not the other one) need some improvement aswell. But now, I have to get my bag done, leaving for Kuwait in an hour or so. =D. TTy to the L, allofyas. Edited by KauSu, Jul 17 2009, 12:55 AM.
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SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM KAUSU: Me thinks that Ike should get ze Modship. Why so? It's pretty simple. I'll modestly point out why: - Friendliness and great charisma. - Excellent communication skills. - Is expert at using BOTH of his functional brain cells. [ End of message ] | |
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| Wenze | Jul 17 2009, 01:28 AM Post #10 |
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Well, Zhou Tai did have some governing experience, since he was made Controller of Ruxu, and was able to win the approval of his subordinates like Zhu Ran and Xu Sheng by recounting his former battles. KOEI's stats can be pretty horrible at times, which is why I love the stat editor in the PUK versions. Upset that Guan Yu has better LDR than Yu Jin? Not a problem. 
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| Ike | Jul 17 2009, 01:44 AM Post #11 |
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Yes. PUK versions are pretty legitimate. But for us PS2 users we get stuck with what they've already been given. Lots of stats in most games are messy, and officers who shouldn't be even that good. Unfortunately we have to deal with it. But meh I guess that's why we have PUK. Still hoping we may get ourselves some nice few features like that out of PUK versions. |
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| Wu Song | Jul 17 2009, 01:47 AM Post #12 |
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My stat for Liu Chan and other -Liu Chan- LDR:12 WAR:09 INT:61 or less POL:10 or less CHR:36 or less or more -Zhao Yun- LDR:97 WAR:97 INT:77 POL:74 or more CHR:96 -Zhuge Liang- LDR:95 or more WAR:40 or less or more INT:106 POL:98 CHR:97 or less -Guo Jia- LDR:95 or more WAR:39 or less INT:99 POL:97 CHR:96 it ok if you don't like them because I made these just for fun |
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| KauSu | Jul 17 2009, 02:09 AM Post #13 |
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I'm aware of that. And I think that's it's Sun Quan and that banquet thing that made him win the approval of his subordinates, the ones that were unhappy with serving under Tai, who was a former pirate. Sun Quan had him take off some of his clothing(In a non kinky matter..OR IS IT?) and when they saw the scars the got from saving Sun Quan's bearded hide many times, they approved. hence the boost in Charisma and Leadership. But really dude. Imagine Zhou Tai handling domestic affairs, it just isn't right. It's like calling someone like Lu Bu a genius, or someone like Huang Hao the "best mind under heaven" and so on. That's just my opinion anyway. Speaking of the PUK version, I didn't know that there was an English PC PUK version ;_;. |
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SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM KAUSU: Me thinks that Ike should get ze Modship. Why so? It's pretty simple. I'll modestly point out why: - Friendliness and great charisma. - Excellent communication skills. - Is expert at using BOTH of his functional brain cells. [ End of message ] | |
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| Wenze | Jul 17 2009, 02:19 AM Post #14 |
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But, the fact is that he was in charge in Ruxu for some time. I'm not saying give him a huge increase, just that he did have some experience in the area. Unfortunately, there is no English version that has the PUK features. I have the Traditional Chinese version with PUK. |
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| KauSu | Jul 17 2009, 03:14 AM Post #15 |
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I guess I'm stuck with the crappy stats. And I now officially hate Deng Ai. I was playing Zhong Hui's force and managed to snuff him out quick. His son joined me, but I had Ai locked up for a while. And kept trying to recruit him. He wouldn't join me. I released him, and tried to recruit him over and over again, still didn't work. A few turns later, He's Han Xuan's strategist. Han Xuan, having Deng Ai, Wei Yan and Huang Zhong in his forces, might be a future formidable enemy. If he SUBJUGATES Jin Xuan's force. Liu Du's force and Zhao Fan's. on the topic of stats: Xun You, in my opinion has the most well placed stats in the game, along with his cousin, Yu. (Having those two in your force is pretty much equal to conquering Zhong Yuan. Imo.) |
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SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM KAUSU: Me thinks that Ike should get ze Modship. Why so? It's pretty simple. I'll modestly point out why: - Friendliness and great charisma. - Excellent communication skills. - Is expert at using BOTH of his functional brain cells. [ End of message ] | |
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| Ike | Jul 17 2009, 03:54 AM Post #16 |
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It's a shame when either of them die. (In most games it's usually not that long before that takes place.) Stat-wise they do need some recognition. Together they usually work up the domestic stuff pretty quickly. A great help in battles too, but their place is in the cities. Actually they remind me of Guo Jia and Lu Su not just the stats.
Welcome to Deng Ai's world! I assume you are playing RoH? You're aware he won't join Zhong Hui, right? They don't like each other lol. Sounds like trouble, Liu Bei may have a word on that though. |
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| KauSu | Jul 17 2009, 04:59 AM Post #17 |
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I know that they don't like each other but, after I persuaded Deng Zhong, I had my hopes up. Deng Ai is really one of the best officers to use. It's a shame that i'm going to chop his wannabezhangliao head off, soon. p.s on Liu Bei. I'm currently at war with him. He keeps sending these crappy officers from XiangYang to my Yong An. (Yong An is really the EASIEST city to defend..) and I have the Nanman/Liu Zhang dudes stationed there. People like Zhang Ren, Yan Yan, Zhang Yi(both of them) and Ma Zhong..and-guesswho-Wang Shuang..really make my days happier. I'm on the lookout for Man Chong and Guo Huai, though. I just LOVE balanced officers. |
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SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM KAUSU: Me thinks that Ike should get ze Modship. Why so? It's pretty simple. I'll modestly point out why: - Friendliness and great charisma. - Excellent communication skills. - Is expert at using BOTH of his functional brain cells. [ End of message ] | |
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| Ike | Jul 17 2009, 06:45 AM Post #18 |
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Yeah not much you can do there. It's a shame to execute one like Deng Ai. Such a waste of skill, even if he was a Zhang Liao wannabe... I agree Yong An is way too easy to defend. You have plenty of time to get ready, as you're informed by the time they start to march. Guo Huai and Man Chong, shouldn't they be with Cao Cao at this time? Can't forget, for the topic. Here is what I'd like Cao Zhang to ascend to:(Version 2 Projected stats.) http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/IGiveNoSympathy/Random%20Stuff/CaoZhang-stats.jpg :DD Credits to ZhouTai50/Wenze for the help. |
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| KauSu | Jul 17 2009, 08:16 AM Post #19 |
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Yeah, they should be with Cao. They're on my "Never excute, always recruit" list. But still, they're two of the most balanced officers, they're just super useful. p.s Ike. On my old Liu Du game (r.i.p). My Shang Yong was under attack by Cao Pi's Chang An, via the mountain pass. The vanguard was none other than the prefect himself, Cao Zhang. Anyway, the yellow bearded man charged with like, 4-5 weak units behind him. (Mostly bow units with high INT) and one good unit (Xiahou Shang, Cavalry) Anyhoo. My units were Zhang Ren, Ma Su and Mulu Duosi(Bows), Zhu Huan and Deng Ai (spears.) and a final unit that stands between the spear and bow, Zhu Bao with spears, too. Anyhow. I challenged the big Zhang to a duel using Zhu Huan, Zhang got murdered by Huan, literally. tbh I was like "adhfskdflskdf NOOO CAPTURE, NOT KILL YOU IDIOT >:(" -A Tribute to the Ike Meister(you, the user.)an RTK character~ 
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SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM KAUSU: Me thinks that Ike should get ze Modship. Why so? It's pretty simple. I'll modestly point out why: - Friendliness and great charisma. - Excellent communication skills. - Is expert at using BOTH of his functional brain cells. [ End of message ] | |
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| Ike | Jul 17 2009, 06:49 PM Post #20 |
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Agreed, I try to not execute very much talented officers unless they annoy me. Oh wow Zhang was killed by Huan. !( Yeah thing about AI they usually charge with small amount of troops no matter if you have full in a city. Or pretty much anywhere. Silly Zhang. :( That looks freaking awesome, KauSu! Thanks for going to the trouble of doing that. I'll use it for my new personal photo right away. >:D Ike in ROTK equals ultimate happiness! His stats are pretty deserving too after all, couldn't put them better myself. |
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| KauSu | Jul 18 2009, 10:05 AM Post #21 |
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yeah, I had a lot of free time on my hands. ;p. and i'm posting from my imate in kuwait. loading speed makes me want to cry. And also, I love using Zhou Tai on water, just makes my day happier. |
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SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM KAUSU: Me thinks that Ike should get ze Modship. Why so? It's pretty simple. I'll modestly point out why: - Friendliness and great charisma. - Excellent communication skills. - Is expert at using BOTH of his functional brain cells. [ End of message ] | |
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| the glorious sun jian | Jul 18 2009, 03:21 PM Post #22 |
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IT IS TIME TO CUT DONG ZHOU,S HEAD and DRINK IT,S BLOOD
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| KauSu | Jul 19 2009, 02:29 PM Post #23 |
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I, for one, think Jian is overrated. He did perform some great deeds, in one or two battles. But then, he walked into a trap and got rocked. His RTK11 stats seem pretty fair to me. |
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SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM KAUSU: Me thinks that Ike should get ze Modship. Why so? It's pretty simple. I'll modestly point out why: - Friendliness and great charisma. - Excellent communication skills. - Is expert at using BOTH of his functional brain cells. [ End of message ] | |
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| the glorious sun jian | Jul 19 2009, 06:46 PM Post #24 |
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No , Jian is one of the underrated men .He deserves the 98 LDR without doubt . There wasn't any trap .The novel made that .Jian died in the battle . Read this and you will change your mind about Jian entirly ... Chapter 2 : http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/decrespigny/gos_index.html Simply , one of the best generals in the world . Edited by the glorious sun jian, Jul 19 2009, 06:53 PM.
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| Wu Song | Jul 20 2009, 11:11 PM Post #25 |
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Did anyone know that Zhao Yun WAR in ROT3K III was 108 and I think the sword that he took from that Xiahou(I think it was En) that got his WAR at 108 |
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