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Final Fantasy VIII-2; idea for a spin-off of FFVIII
Topic Started: Fri Jan 4, 2008 7:29 am (930 Views)
shodrive
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Ok... so well, I actually posted my idea on the Final Fantasy VIII thread but then decided to create a topic here... You can read what I've written so far on the thread... of here. XD

Well, for once, players could actually discover the truth on why Ultimecia turned evil, and what the Centra civilization was like before it got destroyed. Centra wasn't originally destroyed by the Lunar Cry as thought. Ultimecia destroyed the city itself. Centra was actually a city from the future, but Ultimecia destroyed it when she was over come by he darkness and used up the last of her power to send Centra and all the people that was left back 4000 years into the past (around the time the centra civilization began) so the people could start over.

Players also learned that Ultimecia was actually a good sorceress, but the death of her husband (should be Odin, because you find him in the Centra ruins anyway). She began to be stricken with grief and she fell into a state of depression. As she was becoming evil, she sent her daughter (LOL!) back into time and left her in the care of Edea at her orphanage, hoping one day, that even if she should become and evil sorceress, she would be able to be reunited with her.

Yeah, so anyway Squall and all do make their appearance. -_- Ultimecia's daughter (I named her Crystal), was part of the orphanage gang, she had special ties to Squall until he left for Garden. When Ellone left, Squall began to distant himself from everyone right? Well, Crystal went up to him to make him feel better, and they became good friends.

Now all of you'd be like; "But no one remembers her, why?" right? Well you see, since her dad's a GF, she has special ties with them too. Here we also find out that it wasn't the GFs that made them forget, it was her, because she doesn't want people to remember with their minds, but with their heart. The only thing is, while she erased everyone's memory of their past at the orphanage, except Irvine's, she also managed to erase her presence and image from their minds, thus she is never mentioned by Irvine. (Crystal is also a sorceress, as her mother was one.)

I'll take your questions before continuing on. XD
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Hmm... your story idea is getting interesting, more like a piece of writing than an idea.
Anyways, I'm glad most of the main cast is returning, but what of Laguna and the other two guys next to him?
With those improved GF's, are there also gonna be like some weapons fancier than the gunblade?
While your ahead with your plot, care to explain some battle system you've got in mind?

P.S. You spelt "Irivne" wrong. ;)
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So long as Trabia is rebuilt and also becomes a mobile base.... Im happy ^_^

I'm guessing from these ideas, you dont believe Ultimecia to be Rinoa
It has been claimed false by the FFVIII official Ultimania... but Ultimecia=Rinoa gives Ultimecia many more dimensions than any backstory ever could

I still believe U=R untill proven other wise (who knows maybe dissidia may clear things up)
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shodrive
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sorry for the typo. XD

Actually... i want it to be a movie.. like FFVII: AC :unsure: XD But if it turned into a game... I guess I'd want the battle system to revert back to 'old-school' to give it a feeling y'know? XD For the weapons... I never... really... thought of them. -blank-

Well, the GFs will be returning... because they sort of play a role in the spin-off... Bahamut, mainly. You see, Crystal can interact with GFs, and at first Bahamut will refuse to help Squall& co by saying; "What's the point of helping an extinct nation when there is no more hope? (He refers to the Centra civilization)"

Adel will be returning too. It seems that, Adel wasn't truly defeated, but badly wounded. She managed to recover, and is out to seek the most powerful sorceress that ever lived so she can use her power to take over the world.

Well, this movie also proves would that the U=R theory is wrong because towards the end, Rinoa realizes that even is she and Squall loved each other, their hearts belonged to two different people (thus, you know the theory where Rinoa became Ultimecia because she went mad over Squall's death? Yeah... it would be proved wrong. XD).

Ultimecia re-appears too. While her body died, her soul still remained... and thus Ultimecia was reborn. XD

Ok, as usual... questions before continuing on.. ^_^

@Tactitian: Yeah... I don't believe in the U=R theory... :unsure:
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Things I would like to see addressed;
~The Great Hyne
~The Trabia crater (I have recently played the game and It was never addressed! The lunar cry happened at Centra but what about the Trabia crater?
~Is Seifer Cid and Edea's son?
~TRABIA GARDEN reconstructed
~ Are there other centra shelters?
~What are the ocean ruins and who made them?
~ Is Ellone a sorceress?
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shodrive
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Answering Tacticians questions...

- Yes, Hyne will be in this spin-off. It will be revealed that Hyne's an entity, and he not only bestowed his power to the sorceresses, but he also was the one who created the GFs.

- The Trabia crater... maybe the Galbadian missile saw a monster and killed it? lol. jk! XD The Trabia crater would most probably be where the Centra people found the Crystal pillar (Lunatic Pandora), and decided to move it to Centra.

- No. He's just an orphan that lives there, although Cid and Edea adopted him as their own child. Crystal too, was adopted by Cid and Edea, and she lives in the orphanage with them, and therefore, they're adopted siblings.

- yes, yes, Trabia Garden will be re-constructed. Happy? XD

- The Deep Sea Research center was a shelter. It was destroyed during the Lunar Cry (and it's then revealed that Centra was actually a very big continent, but the Lunar Cry destroyed the entire terrain and it became what it is now). Bahamut resides there because he was protecting the place from intruders who wish to destroy the place. :mellow:

- You talkin' about that place below the Deep Sea Research Center? :mellow: Well, the Centra people did, while the top floor was the Research Center, the ruins below was also a shelter. Well, more like an underground city, it was like a pit stop for the Centra people who were migrating out of Centra (to Esthar and Galbadia).

- Yes, when Ultimecia was passing her powers Edea, she passed one of her powers to Ellone, being able to send people consciousness into the past.

Hope that answered your curiosity. X3
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I'd rather have a Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors spin-off on Final Fantasy X-2.
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Does it have anything to do with the Qiao sisters? Because I'm pretty sure they have weird and interesting adventures.
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I don't mean this to sound mean, it's meant as a warning to try and avoid a contrived sounding plot. It's going to come across harsh anyways I suspect.

But my biggest problem with this idea is your pivotal character in 'Crystal.' Her being randomly sent back in time, making close friends with Squall and then being 'forgotten' sounds a LOT like your typical self-insertion I-want-to-be-Squall's-girlfriend fan fiction. Especially with breaking Rinoa and Squall up at the end. I mean, even if their romance is REALLY BADLY WRITTEN (imo) it's still established cannon and MUST STAND for any official re-makes/continuations/etc.

I think she, and her motivations, will need to be fleshed out considerably, as well as her reasons for not joining SeeD like everyone else before she's believable and not just a romantic plant.

Does she know she's from the future? Does she know Ultimecia is her mother?

It is POSSIBLE that Ultimecia is still possibly Rinoa who knows how things pan out so BADLY initially and sends her daughter in a hope of altering/preventing that history?

What is Crystal's purpose in being sent back? Does she know it?

What, of course, happens after Squall goes off to join SeeD and forgets about her?

If Centra is from the future and it's people and buildings were sent into the past, do the survivors remember this? What do the people who were ALIVE in the past (if any) think about highly advanced people and buildings just showing up?

The game states there's supposed to be only one sorceress at a time. If Crystal is one, and Adel wasn't truly defeated, then there would be two. How are you going to get around that?

You said Ultimecia would be reborn--would she have memories of her past life because it's the same SOUL, or would it be a clean slate?


Juuuust a lot of logistical issues to think about.
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Just a point on U=R, I always thought Rinoa received Edea's power as Edea lost Ultimecia's control at the same time Rinoa went nuts and freed Adel? Then again wasn't Ultimecia the first sorcress? @_@ ah I can't remember it's been too long since I've played it @_@

I do like this idea, though kuni_izumi has some good points too (even if I disagree about bad written SquallxRinoa! It was good enough to get me hooked enough to cry with the whole spaceship+sealed away forever issue so I say it's good xD but that's not important, I suppose... xD)
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Sep 6 2008, 07:12 AM
I do like this idea, though kuni_izumi has some good points too (even if I disagree about bad written SquallxRinoa! It was good enough to get me hooked enough to cry with the whole spaceship+sealed away forever issue so I say it's good xD but that's not important, I suppose... xD)

It's been a while, but I seem to remember Adel being the first sorceress from the war, and then Ultimecia came back through time and gave her powers to Edea, who ended up passing them to Rinoa....so yeah. One sorceress at a time because one supposes Ultimecia got her powers from Adel somewhere along the way.

At least that's what I think I remember, it's been a while.


As to the writing--what you see is VERY GOOD, both before coma and after coma it's the change over that Squall has from "God she's annoying" to "Omg I'm in love with her" that seems trite and rushed. There just wasn't a lot of development (probably because of time/story flow issues) of Squall's feelings. It's just like they got flipped like a switch from annoyed to in love. That's my problem with it.

Once he IS in love though, it's very well written between his struggle to remain objective and his desire to save protect her.

To me, one of the SINGLE most important things to me is character development so that substantial gap bothers me.

And trust me, I used to HATE LOATHE AND DESPISE Rinoa for being weak/always in trouble, hanging all over Squall until I came to terms with well...she's a fangirl...in a game. I NOW think Rinoa is a very interesting and compelling character because she's the closest there's ever been to a NORMAL girl like me or others in a FF game. She didn't have the SeeD military training, she doesn't have special powers (until later where she's already grown and matured substantially) and she's knows she wants to HELP but she's not sure how.

Her utterly human portrayal makes her appear weak--but she overcomes a lot and doesn't give up and that's really worth admiring. (Doesn't hurt I left Ifrit on her the whole game so she became one of my hardest hitters XD Yay Strength Up.)
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I still say Ultimecia is Original Timeline Rinoa before Ultimecia interfered with the
past. Ultimecia is the result if Rinoa was sealed and sent into space like what
Esthar did with Adel. eventually when she is somehow freed, her emptiness and despair
would turn her into a completely different person for years to come.


they should make a FF8 game that's based on Balamb Garden's forces vs.
Galbadia. :) there could have been many campaigns going on. even after Edea
no longer leads Galbadia after FF8, Galbadia could have chosen a new leader and
decide to try to take revenge for their losses during the Garden War.


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kuni_izumi
Sep 6 2008, 01:45 PM
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Sep 6 2008, 07:12 AM
I do like this idea, though kuni_izumi has some good points too (even if I disagree about bad written SquallxRinoa! It was good enough to get me hooked enough to cry with the whole spaceship+sealed away forever issue so I say it's good xD but that's not important, I suppose... xD)

It's been a while, but I seem to remember Adel being the first sorceress from the war, and then Ultimecia came back through time and gave her powers to Edea, who ended up passing them to Rinoa....so yeah. One sorceress at a time because one supposes Ultimecia got her powers from Adel somewhere along the way.

At least that's what I think I remember, it's been a while.


As to the writing--what you see is VERY GOOD, both before coma and after coma it's the change over that Squall has from "God she's annoying" to "Omg I'm in love with her" that seems trite and rushed. There just wasn't a lot of development (probably because of time/story flow issues) of Squall's feelings. It's just like they got flipped like a switch from annoyed to in love. That's my problem with it.

Once he IS in love though, it's very well written between his struggle to remain objective and his desire to save protect her.

To me, one of the SINGLE most important things to me is character development so that substantial gap bothers me.

And trust me, I used to HATE LOATHE AND DESPISE Rinoa for being weak/always in trouble, hanging all over Squall until I came to terms with well...she's a fangirl...in a game. I NOW think Rinoa is a very interesting and compelling character because she's the closest there's ever been to a NORMAL girl like me or others in a FF game. She didn't have the SeeD military training, she doesn't have special powers (until later where she's already grown and matured substantially) and she's knows she wants to HELP but she's not sure how.

Her utterly human portrayal makes her appear weak--but she overcomes a lot and doesn't give up and that's really worth admiring. (Doesn't hurt I left Ifrit on her the whole game so she became one of my hardest hitters XD Yay Strength Up.)

yeah, i think that's how it went...

ohh I get what you're saying (about squall's feelings). Now that you point it out... that's a good point indeed. And about Rinoa too, though oddly I never found her annoying initially o.o maybe because i was such a fan? I'm not sure... but she's definitely a fave FF character of mine.

Personally I don't mind weakness showing up (as long as it's not too much!); it points out they are in fact human and well the character becomes better to relate to, imo.
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