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Characters that don't look Chinese; Outfits, and themselves
Topic Started: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:42 am (6,690 Views)
Kasumi
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Would you mean like, it's too coicidental that the majority of the characters are too handsome and pretty? (Because it can't be all the characters are good looking?)

About the Asian ones....do you mean that their facial features don't match Asians?
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More towards "to perfect" or "to unique" to be true.
Lord Crow is right that the characters appearance is supposed to catch our attention like Huang Zhong's dreadlocked hair, so they don't have to be really be that accurate.
I don't know our facial expressions very well, but chances are no one will resemble the more extravagant in appearance characters.
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I guess...afterall, it's a videogame - thought they're too good to be true I'm sure fans would go all complaining if KOEI designed them like in ROTK, alot of them looks like generics...

BTT, Wei Yan and Pang Tong looks not like Chinese (even less human), but it's more because of their costumes, not their facial looks. I guess Koei designed them more to fit their personality rather than making them closer to Chinese people at all...
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May 1 2008, 12:47 PM
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May 1 2008, 12:33 PM
yeah I agree that they look anime-ish, but I am confused about your statement that they look too manly/handsome to be Chinese men and too beautiful/sexy to be Chinese women.......how can you be too handsome/beautiful, manly/sexy, etc. to be a Chinese person (or any other racial group for that matter)?  So if the characters were supposed to be a different ethic group would there designs be more acceptable now because that racial group is "capable" of being that manly or beautiful???

The game demonstrate the characters to be "too good" to be a real human. We aren't perfect. Not everyone will look or close to look like the Handsome Zhou Yu, not every girl like Diao Chan, and definitely no one will look like Dong Zhuo 'cause his skull shape is just wrong already.

And as for ethnicity and racial, the same also goes for SW and SB, these guys are all, as I said, "too good" to be true.

And this is game.... The characters have to look good to attract player's attention.

Also, I stated that "not that I say every real Chinese are ugly, some look really decent too." So, there are good looking ones outside of the house too.

FYI, I'm Asian. I know our facial and body features.

...ohh......so you're coming from the stand point of the characters being too good looking to be a real life humans, and not just too good looking to be a certain ethnic group.......to each his own, I personally don't think the characters are that great looking and defiantly do not reach outside the bounds of human capability

---I am Asian as well lord crow and I don't think our body features very that greatly for other ethnic groups (aside from skin tone and hair texture) we're all born with generally the same anatomical structure
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May 1 2008, 01:02 PM
More towards "to perfect" or "to unique" to be true.
I don't really understand our facial expressions very well, but plenty of characters in game, no one will actually look like that.

Exactly!

Kasumi14
 
Would you mean like, it's too coicidental that the majority of the characters are too handsome and pretty? (Because it can't be all the characters are good looking?)

About the Asian ones....do you mean that their facial features don't match Asians?


The first point, yep. Everyone look too good to be true.

The second one, I, myself will say yes. I mean, they are too handsome to be too. I wish I will look like Zhou Yu, but that can't be possible is it? He's designed that way in game. Do you noticed the most common Asian's facial trait? The nose. Our noses are not like Western. The game makes the nose to look more "normal", because Asians' nose tend to be flat.

*EDIT: to prevent double posting, because I just saw ShaShou9999's message after I post...*

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...ohh......so you're coming from the stand point of the characters being too good looking to be a real life humans, and not just too good looking to be a certain ethnic group.......to each his own, I personally don't think the characters are that great looking and defiantly do not reach outside the bounds of human capability


Yep, that's what I tried to say, but because English is not my first language, the message might be wrong. So sorry about that.

It is possible indeed, for someone to look like Dian Wei. But Dong Zhuo...... I'm not quite sure.....
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May 1 2008, 12:41 PM
Everyone looks too handsome and manly, for men

Would you call Zhang He manly?.....Or chinese?


I always fail to see the chinese in Xu Zhu, and Meng Huo (does he even count as being Chinese?).
It's also kind of hard for me believe that the ancient chinese could make gundam armour at that time for Cao Ren.
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If they looked Chinese they'd all resemble this:

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Who could turn down a game with one of these sexy guys on the cover?
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Which is exactly why I prefer KOEI's take on this. I mean seriously. Half of the art you can find of the actual people doesn't look too appealing, so why would I want to play with that person? :huh:
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Yeah, would be way too dull. I would like some variety at least, and its what Koei is giving us.
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@Manji_Ninja - Did you mean to say "If they looked like their historical counterparts"? Chinese men don't all resemble middle-aged historical drawings.

Generally speaking, why is it that a more Chinese-looking cast would inherently lack variety? There would be plenty of variation in facial features, personality, and costume design. And why should a difference in ethnic group be some sort of deal-breaker for character appeal? This is reminiscent of the brouhaha when GTA: San Andreas came out. Some people apparently could not identify with a black protagonist from a gangster background although they'd been fine with the white gangster in the previous installment. And believe me, that was the only reason they gave.
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May 1 2008, 04:28 PM
@Manji_Ninja - Did you mean to say "If they looked like their historical counterparts"?  Chinese men don't all resemble middle-aged historical drawings.

Yeah, that's actually what I meant... I just didn't know how to say it in the politically correct way. Of course it would be silly to generalize all Asians as middle-aged bearded men with funny hats. Sorry if I sounded rude or offended anyone.

Also, I think another reason the characters don't look Chinese is that it probably wouldn't sell as well in Japan. Look at the anime and manga characters, most of them are Westernized in appearance.
I'm sure there could be plenty of variety if they looked more realistic, but it wouldn't appeal to the mass consumers.
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May 1 2008, 03:29 PM
Would you call Zhang He manly?.....Or chinese?

well that's an exception because he's not manly, but beautiful.


If the characters in game look like what Manji_Ninja posted, would you play the game? The Handsome Zhou Yu looks like that? (as an example)

So yeah, they should look more anime in nature 'cause that looks a lot better and also Western's features as well. Like Dian Wei, he looks like from a gladiator from Rome's coliseum. :D
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I dont mind if they look Chinese...as long as they act like it, sure....
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May 1 2008, 03:38 PM
If they looked Chinese they'd all resemble this:

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Who could turn down a game with one of these sexy guys on the cover?

I'm Chinese and I don't look like that.

-some say that the characters are too good looking to be real humans, so can I say that these ancient portraits are too simplistic to be an accurate depiction of a real human being as well (or let alone what these actual people might look like, beside basic characteristics such as having facial hair or not)
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The emperor in DW 6 looks at most chinese with his clothes. But i must it see in a game, how it feels, when all characters looks much chinese.
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May 2 2008, 02:13 AM
Manji_Ninja
May 1 2008, 03:38 PM
If they looked Chinese they'd all resemble this:

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Who could turn down a game with one of these sexy guys on the cover?

I'm Chinese and I don't look like that.

-some say that the characters are too good looking to be real humans, so can I say that these ancient portraits are too simplistic to be an accurate depiction of a real human being as well (or let alone what these actual people might look like, beside basic characteristics such as having facial hair or not)

They surely don't look like exactly like that...(I can't differ each of them! To me they look the same!)..I think it depicted more about the clothings rather than facials (even it's kinda true that the Chinese *I'm half Chinese also* has small eyes and yellow complexion...but that's it.)

Although I agree, a strategy game is one thing, but playing as a character for hours and you have to see them looks like them (and they're generics! generics!!)...that would turn most of the fans.
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May 2 2008, 09:39 AM
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May 2 2008, 02:13 AM
Manji_Ninja
May 1 2008, 03:38 PM
If they looked Chinese they'd all resemble this:

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Who could turn down a game with one of these sexy guys on the cover?

I'm Chinese and I don't look like that.

-some say that the characters are too good looking to be real humans, so can I say that these ancient portraits are too simplistic to be an accurate depiction of a real human being as well (or let alone what these actual people might look like, beside basic characteristics such as having facial hair or not)

They surely don't look like exactly like that...(I can't differ each of them! To me they look the same!)..I think it depicted more about the clothings rather than facials (even it's kinda true that the Chinese *I'm half Chinese also* has small eyes and yellow complexion...but that's it.)

Although I agree, a strategy game is one thing, but playing as a character for hours and you have to see them looks like them (and they're generics! generics!!)...that would turn most of the fans.

In this topic, when we discuss weather they look "Chinese" or not, are we relegating the term "Chinese" only to the Han majority, or dose it include the other ethnic groups that live in China as well (I'm not too certain what specific other ethnic groups were prevalent at the time of the three kingdoms, any info regarding this is welcome) ?

...and to the point about all Chinese having small eyes and yellow skin......I don't know... maybe.....maybe not...........I have "slanted" eyes (if you want to call it that........it all depends on what your definition of what the "standard" eye is.......but the whole notion of what the popular media portrays as the "standard" image is a whole other discussion/ debate in its self... <_< ...) but I know not all Chinese do, and I think my skin tone is much closer to brown than it is yellow
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ShaShou9999
May 2 2008, 01:40 PM
I'm Chinese and I don't look like that.

Yes, once again, I want to apologize for what I said, I'm afraid it was misinterpreted. What I should have stated was that if the characters where based off historical documentation, then the characters would have been interpreted in a very different way.

...anyway I think people are thinking a little too hard about this. What it comes down to is that this is how the Japanese generally portray anime and game characters.
Also the whole idea of the charcters being "too attractive" is something you find in most videogames. It's not something restricted to one ethnic group either.
Look at a game like Soul Calibur, that has characters from all over the globe. The only really unattractive characters are the humaniod creatures like Astaroth.... When you do find less attractive characters in games, they're usually American based and catered towards a totally different fan base (FPS, Grand Theft Auto, etc.).
This actually reminds me of something I read of the Soul Calibur Universe forums, about many fans complaining that Taki didn't look Asian anymore. If anything, I think some fans would LIKE to see Asian characters portrayed more accurately. If everyone is "white washed" that it makes for a very boring cast too.

Anyway, I think I'm gonna give up on this topic for now... I'm really lousy at iterating good arguments.
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May 2 2008, 02:26 PM
Yes, once again, I want to apologize for what I said, I'm afraid it was misinterpreted. What I should have stated was that if the characters where based off historical documentation, then the characters would have been interpreted in a very different way.

...anyway I think people are thinking a little too hard about this. What it comes down to is that this is how the Japanese generally portray anime and game characters.
Also the whole idea of the charcters being "too attractive" is something you find in most videogames. It's not something restricted to one ethnic group either.
Look at a game like Soul Calibur, that has characters from all over the globe. The only really unattractive characters are the humaniod creatures like Astaroth.... When you do find less attractive characters in games, they're usually American based and catered towards a totally different fan base (FPS, Grand Theft Auto, etc.).
This actually reminds me of something I read of the Soul Calibur Universe forums, about many fans complaining that Taki didn't look Asian anymore. If anything, I think some fans would LIKE to see Asian characters portrayed more accurately. If everyone is "white washed" that it makes for a very boring cast too.

Anyway, I think I'm gonna give up on this topic for now... I'm really lousy at iterating good arguments.

lol don't feel so bad. I had hard time trying to say what I mean too... It's kinda difficult because this topic is fairly broad and can be easily misinterpreted.

So yeah, you wouldn't play a character that looks like the historic drawing now wouldn't you?

Characters also influence how well it will go in the market too. Imagine if Zhao Yun is not this handsome, Koei wouldn't be able to sold Dynasty Warriors series since he is the cover boy for most series already.

Also, think back who created DW and SW....... Japanese's Koei. So the design are definitely anime influenced.

*out of topic: I find Astaroth a pretty awesome design character though especially his newest in SC4. I guess only for a weirdo like me.*
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i say its getting much better now i think especally cao cao and zhang liao look badass chinese but u can still tell koei makes them more western i suppose they think we might not buy it or something i personally be more inclinde yo buy it also if you could chose mandurin for when they talk just o add orthentisity whould be ace
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i'll agree with that last post, to a large extent, many of the characters DO look more Asian, in DW6, but this is not an impossible task, there are examples of very attractive Asian folks portrayed well in other video games and media: Mitsurugi(SC), Hibana(Nightshade), O-ren Ishii(KB), Miho(Sin City)...it can be done, and done well.i honestly still have some personal issues with the blonde and light-eyed characters in KOEI games. (and this is JUST MY OPINION) it somehow seems unauthentic and pandering.
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Hmm I think DW6 character faces are alike the previous DW series, except Zhao Yun, Cao Pi, Liu Bei, Diao Chan, Sun Quan their faces were completely changed.

Look at Ling Tong's face, Zhen Ji's face, Sima Yi's face, Sun Ce's face they're basically the same faces as the previous DW just a huge change on the costumes and styles.

Warriors games most attraction is:
1. Character Design
2. Music
3. History

So no matter how bad the gameplay is and how low quality the game is, as long as those 3 stand out, people would still buy it.


It might not look Chinese but this is what people like it - them to be the J-pop metrosexual stars. If you want the characters look more Chinese - go and try RTK series, they're more Chinese-like. I think it's the major fans they want a crazy design, armor and stuffs that makes Warriors game character design stands out a lot. Cause if it's all based on Chinese, all characters would have black hair with beard then all the female warriors would be fat, they're all fatties in history lol! And Sun Ce wouldn't be looking as HOT as he is now!

*Imagines Diao Chan with that clothes and shows her big tummy*
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May 12 2008, 04:38 AM
Hmm I think DW6 character faces are alike the previous DW series, except Zhao Yun, Cao Pi, Liu Bei, Diao Chan, Sun Quan their faces were completely changed.


Huh?I thought Zhao Yun looks exactly the same like him in previous series *the only thing that makes him different is his fullplate armour*.


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Cause if it's all based on Chinese, all characters would have black hair with beard then all the female warriors would be fat, they're all fatties in history lol! And Sun Ce wouldn't be looking as HOT as he is now!


Really? :ph43r: I thought some of the ladies were depicted pretty accurate (like lady Zhen...she's supposed to be the beauty from the north).
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May 12 2008, 12:44 PM
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May 12 2008, 04:38 AM
Hmm I think DW6 character faces are alike the previous DW series, except Zhao Yun, Cao Pi, Liu Bei, Diao Chan, Sun Quan their faces were completely changed.


Huh?I thought Zhao Yun looks exactly the same like him in previous series *the only thing that makes him different is his fullplate armour*.

Uh huh. I thought all of them looks same. Except for Cao Pi which looks a little (ehem~) childish in his face. And Liu Bei, I think he just shaved his mustache and beard. But I think his eyes is a little bigger than the previous DW5 series. In DW5, I think Liu Bei looks more Chinese than DW6.

And Diao Chan... I'm really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really upset about how she looks at DW6. Maybe that's because I don't like skin showing females. Her face is completely not Chinese =)

As for Sun Quan I think he did the same as Liu Bei did :P I like the new Sun Quan though.

I like GUNDAM Cao Ren too. He looks KYOOT....
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May 12 2008, 11:26 AM
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May 12 2008, 12:44 PM
Insp. Chin
May 12 2008, 04:38 AM
Hmm I think DW6 character faces are alike the previous DW series, except Zhao Yun, Cao Pi, Liu Bei, Diao Chan, Sun Quan their faces were completely changed.


Huh?I thought Zhao Yun looks exactly the same like him in previous series *the only thing that makes him different is his fullplate armour*.

Uh huh. I thought all of them looks same. Except for Cao Pi which looks a little (ehem~) childish in his face. And Liu Bei, I think he just shaved his mustache and beard. But I think his eyes is a little bigger than the previous DW5 series. In DW5, I think Liu Bei looks more Chinese than DW6.

And Diao Chan... I'm really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really upset about how she looks at DW6. Maybe that's because I don't like skin showing females. Her face is completely not Chinese =)

As for Sun Quan I think he did the same as Liu Bei did :P I like the new Sun Quan though.

I like GUNDAM Cao Ren too. He looks KYOOT....

I agree with Kasumi14 and Sally, their faces look generally the same as they did in DW5, just "even more beautiful" XD thanks to the graphics. I must say I'm happy with KOEI's character designs (at least with most of the faces, a bit less with some DW6 costumes), I don't mind if not all of them look Chinese.

P.S.: I've always liked Sun Quan, so, before seeing his Shin Sangokumusou 5 version, I was a bit worried when I heard the rumour that he lost his beard. I breathed a big sigh of relief when I saw that his face is still the same and he still looks cool ^^.
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