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Who's the most important in WO?; Liu Bei, Cao Cao, Sun Jian or Nobunaga?
Topic Started: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:50 pm (4,382 Views)
Mr.Cookie
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Well Since It Should Be Nobunaga Right,I mean who agrees?He saves Everyone in the end,and makes a strong empire!
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Sanada
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well of those choices, he is the only 1 who plays a main part in a campaign. The Wu and Shu plots revolve around Sun Jian and Liu Bei, but they aren't a big part at all, and for Cao Cao..he is larger than Liu Bei thats for sure, less than Nobunaga though -_-
So, in order of importance I might say

Nobunaga - Cao Cao/Sun Jian (about equal) - Liu Bei
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Sanada
Jan 17 2008, 04:53 PM
well of those choices, he is the only 1 who plays a main part in a campaign. The Wu and Shu plots revolve around Sun Jian and Liu Bei, but they aren't a big part at all, and for Cao Cao..he is larger than Liu Bei thats for sure, less than Nobunaga though
So, in order of importance I might say

Nobunaga - Cao Cao/Sun Jian (about equal) - Liu Bei

Agreed with this ^

Cao Cao, Liu Bei & Sun Jian getting captured gives their respective remaining forces something to fight for, but Nobunaga seems to put everything together and is involved from the very beginning.
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I have nothing against Cao Cao, but I wanna throw Cao Pi in the equation because he needs some love D= and I seem to be to the only one giving him some love =P. I mean c'mon, Cao Cao came in during second to the last stage and stole all the glory. I wanna go off topic and talk about Cao Pi =P(just kidding)

Lui Bei, he was kinda.."out of the loop" but this led to Shu being slightly more interesting than the others.

Sun Jian is boring. It should be him rescuing Sun Ce who's awesome. But thats just me.

Nobunaga, now obviously KOEI has a liking for him. He was there from the beginning and had a hand in the uprising of most of the other officers(including Cao Pi =P). So out of the thing, I found Oda to be more important.
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Nobunaga was involved in almost every story as an advisor,so he's the most important.. Cao Cao and Sun Jian are pretty useless, since their forces are leaded by Cao Pi and Sun Ce, Liu Bei..well he was totally cut off!! he appeared only in the ending video!! what a waste..
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They are all pretty important in their own way. I'd say Nobunaga is most important though since he is in just about every battle in the SW story and is the leader also.

Cao Cao is probably next but he's not playable until after stage 7. As much as I like him he deserved a bigger part in it. Cao Pi and Mitsunari are the main guys in the Wei story. Cao Cao is more important than Sun Jian IMO since he is the leader in stage 8x.

Sun Jian has the same deal as Cao Cao but he is only playable in one battle. Rescuing him was the main focus in the Wu story but Sun Ce (and maybe Sun Quan too) has a far bigger role in the game.

Liu Bei didn't have any battles to be in so he is least important to me. Although Zhao Yun is talking about him every 2 minutes he's still not that important. Hopefully things will change in MO2...
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Feb 21 2008, 04:59 PM
They are all pretty important in their own way.


So right, Kimmy ^^ +1 with what you said

I also agree that Nobunaga seems to be the most important of the four. Because he's playable in the story since the begining, even in the intro, we see Cao Cao, Liu Bei & Sun Jian fallen or disappeared, Nobunaga just look at the sky. ;)
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Korin
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Cao Cao - He's alright,but in my point of view;i wish he a bigger part in it.

Sun Jian - One Battle,that's it?! I really was hoping he was in the game more.

Liu Bei - What others said,he was cut off from the game.

Nobouga Oda - Well,he was in most of the battles.

Out of the four,i'd say Nobouga comes in first,and then Cao Cao,Sun Jian,Liu Bei.

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Pretty much always gonna be Nobunaga given the role he plays in the story compare to the others.

Maybe it would be more difficult if you were to ask who is the most important of Cao Pi, Sun Ce, Zhao Yun and Nobunaga ;)
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Here's how it goes for me:
Nobunaga (I think he was behind the entire idea of insurging against Orochi)
Sun Jian/Cao Cao (they both had their sons rescue them somehwere in the middle of their kingdom's storylines)
Liu Bei (The fact he only says two sentences in the whole entire game made him seem like a bonus character)
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What!? Liu Bei is in WO? :blink:

:lol: j/k, I think everyone is in agreement thus far that Nobunaga was the most important leader of the 4 factions. It would be interesting to see how this changes in the sequel with all of them now released ...
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Well obviously Oda Nobunaga and Cao Cao :huh:
Oda and Cao was both alive and they aren't captured or defeated from the beginning. Sun Jian and Liu Bei became captured so they are weak and worthless like Ieyasu :lol: .

1=Important to the least=8
1. Oda Nobunaga
2. Cao Pi
3. Cao Cao
4. Sun Ce
5. Zhao Yun
6. Ieyasu
7. Sun Jian
8. Liu Bei

Tell me if I missed someone :rolleyes:
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I'm gonna play the opposite role in this one, and go with Liu Bei. Now before you say I'm crazy, hear me out.

Of all the rulers, the Shu story was completely based around him.
Without him being kidnapped
-we would have never seen that Zhao Yun was capable as a leader
-that Zhuge Liang made an excellent "villan"
-Yue Ying could survive without her husband
-Xing Cai's not just a daddy's girl

And everything they did in the story was to find him. Even Yuan Shao was running to him at games end...which I found hilarious :lol: Shu's been known across all the previous games as the boring kingdom. With their virtuous leader cut out it made them all the more interesting.

Wei and Wu were more about finally letting Sun Ce and Cao Pi getting their chance to shine after getting their lives cut short before greatness.
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I was wondering who the brave soul would be to tackle that head on :P

If it wasn't for Nobunaga's involvement/influence in the other story modes besides SW, I would agree 100% with you. I just like to poke fun at the fact that Liu Bei isn't himself involved in the action of the Shu storyline. He of course IS the storyline, or at least the motivating force behind the storyline.

Cao Cao and Sun Jian take more of a back seat to their sons and hence are less involved.
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Its Nobunaga again isnt it ;) , he set up the foundations for Sun Ce cutting ties with Orochi via Sakon. He saw through the fake loyalty of Cao Pi and he set up the assault at Nagashino whilst he assaulted Guan Du (via Kanetsugu at Kyushu and Shingen at Honnoji).

Heck i'd even give him the big points for being the only leader NOT to have been beaten, bound and gagged so early on in the first place :lol:
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Nobunaga! You see him almost everywhere. ALMOST.
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Hmm, all Cao Cao did was steal Cao Pi's fame, and somehow stay alive...
Sun Jian is just an idoit who almost died with Sun Quan, they totally owe Hanzo!
Liu Bei, he did good, I mean, come on, he was in the intro, falling over and in the Shu ending, well done Liu Bei!
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Nobunaga seems to be the master player of the actions of Wei and Wu, and even Shu could have been influenced for all we know.

Cao Cao was hiding behind the scenes....doing unknown stuff.

Sun Jian was held hostage by Orochi, but he at least did something in the Osaka stage.

Liu Bei...don't even get me started.
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Again, if you define important by actions then the answer is obvious who is more important. If you define important as influence, however, the answer is less obvious.

The Wu story is more or less centered around the entire Sun Family in which Sun Jian makes up only 1/4 and has little involvement other than to be captured, re-captured, etc.

Wei is all about Cao Pi breaking out of his father's shadows. You could say Cao Cao has some influence there, but when he appears in the story, he simply takes the glory for himself. Cao Pi wasn't aware of him even being alive until he shows up in Wei 7, IIRC.

Liu Bei, well as G. O. W. said, there really is no Shu story without him. He might no do anything on his own, but his being captured is the fuel that ignites the Shu storyline.

Nobunaga has already been spoken about in depth so no need to elaborate on his actions/influence.
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i think Nobunaga bcause he had eveything in control bcause look what he did for Wei & Wu. :)
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Although each of the four main commanders have a vital part in their own kingdom's storylines, I would say that Nobunaga played the most important role out of them all. Not only was he able to resist most of Orochi's elite troops, he even managed to unite many of the splintered resistance factions together against the Serpent King.
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Of course Nobunaga is the most importan, he piss off because Orochi stole his title :P
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Mr.Honda
Feb 25 2008, 03:44 PM
Liu Bei, well as G. O. W. said, there really is no Shu story without him. He might no do anything on his own, but his being captured is the fuel that ignites the Shu storyline.

Indeed everyone had there opinion and influence on it, Zuo Ci was always gonna make sure he helped in anyway he could but where he got the info that Lui Bei was alive is a mystery and Yoshihiro Shimazu was sent by a mystery commander to ensure Zhao Yun gathered his old Shu allies to rescue his master.

I think this could have been either Cao Cao whos activities prior to aiding Nobunaga in his gaiden 8-x and his son for the final push are a complete mystery. It could have been Oda who we know played a part in the Wu and Wei storylines so if it turns out he sent Shimazu then he would have effectively set the ball rolling for all the storylines or it may have been Cao Pi who made no secret of using every situation he could to weaken Orochis grip on the land.

If this is revealed in the sequel then there will be a dramatic change in balance on this topic - Oda still at the top but maybe put Cao Cao or Cao Pi well and truly up there with him
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Come to think of it..it kinda makes me like Shimazu's character even more. I meant..someone powerful entrusted HIM on this mission. There's more there than meets the eyes. Hell...we could find out it was Nu Wa or Fu Xi in the new one.
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TheRyanHimself
Mar 21 2008, 06:58 PM
Come to think of it..it kinda makes me like Shimazu's character even more. I meant..someone powerful entrusted HIM on this mission. There's more there than meets the eyes. Hell...we could find out it was Nu Wa or Fu Xi in the new one.

It would be a fitting way to introduce them to the story, maybe Koei left these as mystery in the original storyline with a view to a sequal. I hadnt even thought of that but now youve suggested it i really hope your right as it would make for a very interesting story indeed
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