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| Your thoughts on the 3-Kingdoms?! | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 29 2008, 12:15 AM (752 Views) | |
| bx111gamer | Jan 29 2008, 12:15 AM Post #1 |
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A funny little topic I thought id make
 So what did you guys think of each kingdom? For me it was like this, Shu: I saw shu as the "good guys" of the game, they have alot of honorable charaters and their goal of restoring han and all that  Wei: For me, I kind of saw Wei as the bad guys of the game, mainly because of their goal of conquering china and Cao Cao/Cao Pi's ruthlessness etc... (Plus they even made cao cao kind of look tyrant-like :rolleyes: ) Wu: I had trouble deciding with Wu, they have some awesome characters but in my view they were kind of portrayed as in the middle of things rather than alone :blink:, story wise not much appealed to me, and from what ive looked up sun quan had some rather cowardly ways of winning (like having SSX try to use baby lui shan as a hostage), but they have cool characters, so who cares :lol: Weird I know but thats just me lolz What are your thoughts? |
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| wu_tiger | Jan 29 2008, 12:17 AM Post #2 |
Am I even human anymore?
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same shugood guys wei ba guys wu in the middle |
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| Tzar DwL | Jan 29 2008, 12:48 AM Post #3 |
Good food, riches, smexy individuals; my appetite for them are so laaarge...
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Hmmm...good and bad shall not be the way I look at this. Wei has done many things to harm people, but it has all been done out of ambitions. Driven by the leader Cao Cao, Wei has become without a doubt the strongest. Shu on the other hand were weak in my opinion, yes they were good but it didn't get them far enough. Wu, my favorite...but I'd still say they probably have the same strength as Shu, besides it did take them both working together to go against Wei... |
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| Ike | Jan 29 2008, 02:20 AM Post #4 |
Furthering the proof of Ding Feng's resemblance to Mario.
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I see Shu fighting for a purpose of the restoration of the Han Dynasty. And they go through a long and hard endeavours to manage to stay alive and achieve their goal united. I never see them as good guys. People tend to make their favorites good and the ones they dislike the bad guys. Wei, led by Cao Cao as he raises his troops. Loyal to the Han Dynasty, sees the other forces at fault, so he makes his own attempts and uses his own way of doing things. After he would defeat many powerful armies suitable for their reputation and start the great empire of Wei in central China. Later taken by his ambitions and lust he fights Liu Bei for desperation in a inevitbale fight for all of China. Tries to pull his men together with strategy and keep them going. Well with Wu, they just follow the orders of their emperor. After Sun Jian's death they aim for the Wu lands. Clearly they fight for families. But other than that, they're very powerful, and have good potential. |
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| bx111gamer | Jan 29 2008, 03:32 AM Post #5 |
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I know none of them were evil, dont get me wrong, I wasnt judging from what they did in history, I was judging from how the game perspective seems to look at them
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| Nieil | Jan 31 2008, 03:17 AM Post #6 |
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ok, i''ll judge the Kingdoms completely from the character selection perspective, and my take on Shu: They got no officers, or rather, the few good officers they have are revered/overpowered, but once you get past them, they have few legitimately good generals. You can tell DW series is really struggling to come up with new officers for Shu, Ma Su is next in line for them Wei: Wei generals are basically playing lottery to see who get into the game with a non-generic face. So many of them deserve it, but only so few spots. (Please let Deng Ai into the next one :angry: ) Wu: What can I say? they got female characters... |
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| Ike | Jan 31 2008, 09:55 PM Post #7 |
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Well, I'm not accusing you of that. I'm just saying Wei wasn't Evil. Even though Cao Cao may be cruel, his intentions are never ''evil'' at that. |
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| liao tse | Feb 26 2008, 08:04 PM Post #8 |
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well like some people said SHU:Good WEI:Evil WU:Neutral well here mines. :lol: |
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Feb 27 2008, 12:56 AM Post #9 |
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Wei: A bunch of anti-heroes with the purpose of owning everyone in China for dominance. Shu: A bunch of good two-shoes intent on beating Wei. Wu: A bunch of random dudes placed in the middle. |
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| K.E. | Feb 27 2008, 01:15 AM Post #10 |
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Well... For Wei...I wouldn't call them "villain's", but, they are the more ruthless of the 3. Also, because of that ruthlessness, they would do more to conquer the 3 kingdoms....which, eventually happened. Shu on the other hand, are the "good guy's" in the group. They are more centered around Liu Bei's virtue than anything(Which is why they are there). Then there is Wu. They aren't as good as Shu, yet, not as "evil" as Wei. They would be considered the Neutral of them all. Yeah, That's pretty much all I have to say. |
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| Judau | Feb 28 2008, 02:46 PM Post #11 |
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Hmm, to me; Shu, seemed as if they were supposed to win in the end, with 'good-guy' characters such as Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang, Zhao Yun. There is alot of vengence in Shu aswel, Liu Bei Ma Chao, Guan Ping come to mind. Wei, this Kingdom has the most ambition, Cao Cao keeps reminding us of that...but they are shown to have lots of power, but they arn't meant to win in the end. Strength and loyalty come as a theme of Wei, Dian wei, Xu Zhu, Xiahou Dun and Yuan, Zhang liao, Xu Huang, Pang De. Sima Yi on the other hand isn't shown as being strong or loyal, not fit for Wei at all. Wu, I strongly detest Wu, in my opinion, they are peasants who got very lucky. Sun Jian was a warmonger, which got him killed. Sun Ce wasn't as large a warmonger as his father, but still needed war, Sun Quan seems inexperianced at war though, and allways needs Zhou Tai. The theme of comparing is a theme in Wu. eg. Sun Quan -> Sun Jian and Ce, Gan Ning + Ling Tong, Zhou Yu -> Lu Meng -> Lu Xun, Taishi Ci and Sun Ce,. Just my thoughts! 
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| GoW | Feb 28 2008, 03:11 PM Post #12 |
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Thats taking it a bit far Cao Pi. Yuan Shu didn't have to give Ce those troops. How do you feel about Hideyoshi then? Shu - We fight in the name of Justice and Virtue! Wei - We fight to show we're more powerful than you! Wu - We fight to spread our family name! OTHER Lu Bu - I fight because I can! Yuan Shao - I dont fight, I am a Yuan! Zhang Jiao - We *ahem* fight to spread *ahem* Peace! |
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| TheRyanHimself | Feb 28 2008, 03:42 PM Post #13 |
The children of Evil are truly insane.
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Wei does nothing evil. Just because Cao Cao isn't as weak and naive as Liu Bei DOESN'T mean he's "evil". The only thing that they do that is a bit on the "bad" side is attacking Liu Bei's peasants at Chang Ban. Hell, even in the text of the GAME you aren't suppose to attack the peasants. DW6 has a "target" on the Wei side at Chang Ban to not kill any of them, and go straight for Liu Bei. Wu is not the "neutral" side. They are just as heroic and benevolent as Wei and Shu. Hell, Liu Bei attacks and robs land from his own relatives. Even if he was reluctant to do so, he listened to Pang Tong and Zhuge Liang and still DID it. And he fought a battle, risking his entire army just to get revenge for his "brother's" death. Not "evil" really, but a reckless and careless plan that disregarded all of his allies worries and concerns. Just because he ACTS all innocent, doesn't mean his choices are virtuous and right. If I HAD to list them in order of benevolent to malevolent, it'd be Wu, Wei, then Shu. However, I find them all to be "good guys". Even Zhang Jiao. Yuan Shao would be neutral and Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo would be the villains. |
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| Judau | Feb 28 2008, 08:04 PM Post #14 |
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Hideyoshi worked for it and and used talents, Ce got it from his father and Yuan Shu, there is hardly a comparison. Sorry G.O.W, but thats how I feel about Wu, there was hardly a worthy foe in the South-East, nothing like Ma Teng or Yuan Shao, so Wu, being the strongest of a weak bunch, gained strengh. Sorry if this insulting someone, but they are my opinions. 
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| GoW | Feb 28 2008, 08:28 PM Post #15 |
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No need to feel sorry for your opinions Cao Pi. They are yours and you can express them anyway you want. Hideyoshi got lucky however that a much more capable man left behind a very capable force and officers. Therefore making Ieyasu even more lucky than him. Same way I feel about Sun Quan. Sun Jian started the motion, Sun Ce built it up, all Quan had to do in the end was just be Quan. |
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| Wenze | Feb 28 2008, 09:29 PM Post #16 |
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As far as Wu goes, Sun Jian had nothing to do with it besides fathering Ce and Quan. He was an officer under Yuan Shu, not a seperate force. Sun Ce built up the basis of the kingdom through his southern campaign after his split with Yuan Shu. After Ce's death, Quan refined and stabilized the kingdom, while letting his talented officers do most of the military tasks and invasions. |
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| uzkuxiyamede | Mar 9 2008, 05:48 AM Post #17 |
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shu-----Virtue drive us forth to win the battle prideful, heroic, generic.... nice, but always too boring, take on wei with smaller force blahblahblah, generic spearman kingdom, whatever you call it wei---The fight for the ambition, i will takeover china!!![/B]yea, they are bad, so what, dongzhuo and yellow turbans are even badder, after all they got caocao, the pwnage ruler, sima yi, the smartest guy (stand off against Zhuge+ pangtong+ luxun at the same time and win) and caopi, zhangliao(who make babies cry) etc... wu----Sun is the tiger on jiangdong for a reason!!!(but not the tiger of chna for a reason)yea, got some good characters, zhouyu luxun SSX lingtong zhoutai, sure, but wu isn't really doing much, it's impressively large from someone broke off of yuan shu, but I seriously think sunce is just a brash little punk, sunquan is the real ruler who get's wu to power!!!! others(mention it anyway)---dongzhuo, fat ugly, stupid and greedy, eww yellow turban, freak on crack, yuan shao, bad ruler with bad personality and gay general(you know who) Lu bu---got the power, so what, hes almost alone |
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| GoW | Mar 13 2008, 04:07 PM Post #18 |
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Came up with a different analogy for the 3 kingdoms...High School. SHU The popular kids. Everyone knows them, and to a point, likes them. They think they can go anywhere and do what they want. WEI The bullies. Big and strong, they probably get held back because of something beyond their control. No matter how strong they are, they still think they have something to prove. WU The jocks. The captains of the teams, the pretty boys who advance because of their name. Usually consist of the popular kids and the bullies. LU BU That guy. The one guy you need to leave alone no matter what. Even the teachers are scared of him, and his friends keep at a distance. YUAN SHAO The principal's son. Only has friends because of who he is. |
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| DarkDante | Mar 17 2008, 08:39 AM Post #19 |
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Wei- Putting aside I'm a diehard Weist, I do not find them to be evil at all, instead I view them as the most militaristic and amibitious of Kingdoms in which the end justifies the mean. Their officers show just as much courage and loyalty as any from the other kingdoms. (Xu Huang, Zhang Liao, Xiahou Dun, Pang De, Dian Wei, Hao Zhao etc.) Shu- A very two faced kingdom, built as much upon betrayal and cunning as much as justice and honour. Whether Liu Bei was a well meaning individual or a cunning man who took advantage of his lineage is up for debate. Wu- IMO probably the least ambitious of the 3 especially after the deaths of Sun Ce and Zhou Yu, but I still have admiration for their desire to defend their families and homes from the enemy. Their officers showed tremendous courage in the face of adversity (Huang Gai at Chi Bi, Dong Xi and Zhou Tai at He Fei, Gan Ning at Ru Xu Kou) |
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| Raglan | Mar 21 2008, 01:01 AM Post #20 |
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I hope we're talking about the game versions here, otherwise this post will be kinda strange
 Shu - I always found this lot a bit... well, bland. The beige and woodchip-wallpaper of the Three Kingdoms. They only have a few truly memorable officers such as Wei Yan, Pang Tong and Huang Zhong. But all in all it's a wall of 'Justice! Virtue! And Facial Hair!'. I also feel that the 'good guy' aspect is a bit spoon fed, and carefully misses out anything that would make them look more dubious... baby smashing anyone?. Wei - Flying in the face in popular opinion, I thought they were the good guys for a good long time, until someone took me aside and told me not so. As the most ambitious of the Kingdoms, the way their portrayed in mixed lights is inspired. If you truly wanted change, I think you would be prepared to be ruthless and under-handed. The leader Cao Cao has been given bags of character, which goes a long way. Plus, they have Xiahou Dun, who is possibly the most recognised character from the whole series. Wu - As said, they are definitely the middle kingdom. Despite the fact they are my favourite kingdom, the way they are portrayed irritates me no end. They have this almost 'incidental' feel to them, as if Koei forgot to put them in until the end. They don't have the impact on the other two that they should have. Chi Bi and Fan Castle seem to be they're only big actions in the game. I won't even get into the butchering of Sun Quan's leadership or his reduction in awesome, because this post will become essay length. Other - I don't know what to make of this bunch to be honest. Koei partook in something very illegal when they came up with Lu Bu's storyline. Or the design of the annoying, banana-suited Yuan Shao. |
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| DaMonk2639 | Mar 30 2009, 03:55 AM Post #21 |
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Cao Cao: Of course, the more evil one. He had the most soldiers and he was intelligent and stuff, but too selfess. He might of had the most soldiers, but the guys he rocked definitely weren't the strongest. They were decent at most. Sun Jian: His army was good, in reality, it wasn't really consisted of "youth." He had good generals like Gan Ning, but thats about it. Liu Bei: The man with the plan. He was awesome person. He had the best troops, the most famous troops: Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Zhuge Liang, Ma Chao, Zhao Yun. This army was a slotter army right here. If the whole war was fought between generals, one on one, Liu Bei surely would've won the unification of the land, hands down, period. |
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| Fa Zheng | Apr 17 2009, 10:30 PM Post #22 |
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I think; Shu: Are like the good guys trying to fight for whats right and for the good of the people. Wei: I think are the bad guys just trying to rule, but also actually trying to end the chaos but in ther own sinister way. Wu:I think they a people who were good but then start to become clouded and become deceteful. |
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| Dongzhou | Apr 26 2009, 06:46 PM Post #23 |
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Shu: See themselves as righteous and the good guys, whether that is actually the case in the game I don't know but they genuinely believe they are. Pang Tong's jokey but slightly cynical characteristics, Zhao Yun cutscenes in 5 (hitting kid in battle, complaints from people at Cheng Du) battle and the cutscene where Liang offers to take the popularity hit suggests koei are getting a more cynical angle on things. Wei: Originally, power hungry leader willing to do whatever it took including killing civilians. Over time, more like a more ruthless style then saintly Shu, full of loyal men. Wu: Lots of cheery people, love family but something of a third wheel thanks to having more characters but seemingly less stages then the other two kingdoms. |
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| Xiahou_Chuck | Apr 27 2009, 05:00 PM Post #24 |
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I started as Wei, so I'm probably at least a bit biased towarsd them. The percieved attitude, as far as I can see is: SHU = Good WEI = Bad WU = Chaos As the R3K comes from a lot of varied tales Luo Guanzhong gathered, it's easy to see all the kingdoms as more than just good or evil. SHU = They had the family tie to the throne, the fewest people but the biggest personalities of the time. Liu Bei was a bit weak, I recall him crying a ton of times in the book. His people helped prop him up, but his idealism was as much hubris as it was a virtue. WEI = Seeking to protect the empire and make it powerful from within. Cao Cao was ambitious and a bit egotistical, but he wanted to be a good, powerful ruler. The same way that Chavez and Ceasar are people who wanted to protect their land, but had a big ego that needed sating, too. WU = A bit of a mess. The Sun family did all kinds of daft things, but meant well. Ish. The pirates and random southerners were pretty cool, but pretty chaotic. The Sun family had a terrible streak, compared to the others. Sun Jian was more of a twot in the book than the same, Sun Ce was good but short-lived thanks to his own arrogance, then Sun Quan, who was... there. He was better than the sons who aren't playable characters, but they were both morons. They didn't seem to have much of an agenda other than taking/defending their land and then pushing upwards. Writing this, I do wonder what their policies were, other than "Protect the people and try not to cry," "I'm awesome and deserve all the power" and "Whee! I'm a pirate!" respectively. |
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