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Warriors Orochi 2 - General Discussion
Topic Started: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:26 am (201,633 Views)
Kaisama
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sun wukong's move is special because he is the only character can use R1 attack then press square to become a giant monkey

Gracia has R1+Square move too, not only Wukong -_-
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Crimsondramon
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For those who have unlocked Shin Orochi...does he have a gallery or is it under Orochi's gallery?
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Apr 7 2008, 05:11 PM
For those who have unlocked Shin Orochi...does he have a gallery or is it under Orochi's gallery?

He doesn't have a gallery. I unlocked all 6 of Orochi's gallery and it's just regular Orochi and not Shin Orochi.
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Hanzo Hattori
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With that gallery in mind, how come the those "2 additional" shots for characters are just CG captures?

Lame <_<
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My copy finally came in today. Yoshitsune is my favorite, as expected.
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Kaisama
Apr 7 2008, 03:39 PM
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sun wukong's move is special because he is the only character can use R1 attack then press square to become a giant monkey

Gracia has R1+Square move too, not only Wukong -_-

dont forget zuo ci has one too...
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I wonder if the dodge roll in SW2 has been brought back? I've been meaning to ask people who have the game this question for quite some time.
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Kaisama
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no, the dog roll still not in.....I feel a bit sorry for Gracia in this, I miss her broken magic in SW2XL :(
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Kaisama
Apr 8 2008, 10:57 PM
no, the dog roll still not in.....I feel a bit sorry for Gracia in this, I miss her broken magic in SW2XL :(

:lol:
*sighs* That sucks! I was playing WO half an hour ago, I got killed because the enemies surrounded and took their turn chopping me. That wouldn't happen if I could roll out of that!
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Apr 8 2008, 10:34 AM
Kaisama
Apr 8 2008, 10:57 PM
no, the dog roll still not in.....I feel a bit sorry for Gracia in this, I miss her broken magic in SW2XL  :(

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*sighs* That sucks! I was playing WO half an hour ago, I got killed because the enemies surrounded and took their turn chopping me. That wouldn't happen if I could roll out of that!

I was half asleep while typing that but after watched zetsubou sensei I realize there is nothing such thing as half half, may be be I was 75% asleep :ph43r:

may be they don't know what button to use for the dodge roll so they decide to leave it :lol:
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The new teammate counters essentially replace the dodge roll, and they also make speed characters much more durable.
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Mitha~chan
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i know i'm so very late to ask this and this thread has too many pages to track, so can i ask you: has it released in US? and is it has new playable characters and stories?
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Apr 8 2008, 12:10 PM
i know i'm so very late to ask this and this thread has too many pages to track, so can i ask you: has it released in US? and is it has new playable characters and stories?

No Mitha, we in america probably got about 6 months before we get it.
And the character total is up to 92 I believe counting Shin Orochi.
Plus Orochi has his own story mode thats a prequel to the first game.
But all this is in the info thread pinned at the top of the Maou Sarin board.

@Tetsuo9999-thats good to know, cause if a Speed type got surrounded in the first game, or got tagged into a crowd, it was curtains.
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Kaisama
Apr 8 2008, 09:57 AM
no, the dog roll still not in.....I feel a bit sorry for Gracia in this, I miss her broken magic in SW2XL :(

I'm pretty sure that Tenbu will make her (and every other character, for that matter) more broken than she was in SW2XL.

Also, isn't she only missing one attack? (Her extra charge) I thought those were the only moves that weren't added from SW2XL.
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how to get the ingredient in story mode shu 8?
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just curious those who have shin orochi if you use him in orochi story. Does he replace orochi?
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Koei put Masamune as one of the guys who killed Orochi in the opening. But by the game rolls in, he's never been on the good side.

I guess Koei really love to make Masamune evil... or they just plain hate him. God damn it Koei!
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Apr 9 2008, 12:32 PM
I guess Koei really love to make Masamune evil... or they just plain hate him. God damn it Koei!

I doubt that. :lol: The one thing they seem to like doing is making Masamune look pragmatic; in that in a battle he's concerned with making it out alive more than anything. His overarching pride is born of the shame he feels by feeling as though he can't have much influence (since if he did, he would be able to stand tall and fight for what -he- believes in).

This is accentuated by his youth; in that Masamune is younger and scared due to a lack of experience that comes with age.. He's so discouraged and internally frightened that he's actually still working with Orochi's forces even with Orochi's death. In the previous game, at least two characters noted Masamune's youth and rashness in context of thus - that's not a fluke. The writers are giving us insight.

And really, you can't hate that. You feel bad for them and want to help them heal and learn.
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No way. Koei seems to make Masamune still damn proud of Orochi, even in Maou Sairin. Unless you give me the facts... well I would still think Koei hate Masamune.

Koei has the power to make personality change. Take Katsuie from SW2XL in example. In SW2, he's nothing more than a brute, who just happens to be Nobunaga's retainer. Come XL, he becomes a wise ass veteran retainer, teaching Toshiie, and becomes a respectable character.

They can do the same to Masamune. And considering they have given it all for the PS2 Musou Orochi, I thought this was going to be the last. But... no. Koei sticks Masamune as the villain. They didn't want him to stand up on his own feet. They have the power, but they don't want to make him. Why is that? If there's no such thing as its reason... well maybe, Koei just plain hate Masamune. They can't (or just plain DO NOT WANT TO) give him justice by finally making him officially defect from Orochi once and for all in this 'would-be' final Orochi installment.

But considering the style of characterization of SW, it is very easy to piss fans off here. In SW, there's no clear villainous characters (except maybe Fuuma). In DW, it is very obvious that Dong Zhuo and Sima Yi are clear evil, and Lu Bu can easily get to the evil side. And Diao Chan... well she's good, but she's loyal to Lu Bu, so it's easy to drag her to evil. But in SW? Other than Fuuma, you've got no clear villains. Or don't tell me you're not mad someone like Keiji joining Orochi.
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Apr 9 2008, 01:39 PM
No way. Koei seems to make Masamune still damn proud of Orochi, even in Maou Sairin. Unless you give me the facts... well I would still think Koei hate Masamune.

Koei has the power to make personality change. Take Katsuie from SW2XL in example. In SW2, he's nothing more than a brute, who just happens to be Nobunaga's retainer. Come XL, he becomes a wise ass veteran retainer, teaching Toshiie, and becomes a respectable character.

They can do the same to Masamune. And considering they have given it all for the PS2 Musou Orochi, I thought this was going to be the last. But... no. Koei sticks Masamune as the villain. They didn't want him to stand up on his own feet. They have the power, but they don't want to make him. Why is that? If there's no such thing as its reason... well maybe, Koei just plain hate Masamune. They can't (or just plain DO NOT WANT TO) give him justice by finally making him officially defect from Orochi once and for all in this 'would-be' final Orochi installment.

But considering the style of characterization of SW, it is very easy to piss fans off here. In SW, there's no clear villainous characters (except maybe Fuuma). In DW, it is very obvious that Dong Zhuo and Sima Yi are clear evil, and Lu Bu can easily get to the evil side. And Diao Chan... well she's good, but she's loyal to Lu Bu, so it's easy to drag her to evil. But in SW? Other than Fuuma, you've got no clear villains. Or don't tell me you're not mad someone like Keiji joining Orochi.

KOEI's canon as presented with the Musou Orochi universe has solidified Masamune as a supporter of Orochi because no one's bothered to show him better. The characterization in the Shu Gaiden supports this, even if it's not in canon - because it's consistent with his canon behaviour within MO.

A company or franchise owner doesn't create or work with characters they hate; as a franchise there's no point in creating or working with a character one hates because then you've made them unlikable by the standards the narrative sets (which is what the franchise sets). Sometimes they fail in this (Keiji, for example though one could argue he's not meant to be a likable character in terms of story but rather gameplay).

I personally like this Masamune; he's archetypal of the young man who's confused and afraid and overacting his competence because no one has bothered to show him any other way. If KOEI wanted to make someone appear villianous and irresponsible without any note of sympathy, well - they didn't do a very good job (on that note, they succeeding in communicating that Keiji has absolutely no moral standpoint which is a terrible shame).

Masamune is an excellent example of what happens when people aren't willing to help and what happens when people are. Again, in said Shu Gaiden (which isn't canon but doesn't contradict his previous characterization as presented within the Orochi franchise), when Magoichi goes to show Masamune another way - because he believes that Date is a good person - Masamune, reluctantly, goes with. And they have to use force because force is the only language Date was conditioned to understand (which is also why Date sides with and continues to side Orochi in the first place - Strong eat weak, Date wants to live, side with strong, and even in death Orochi has major influence alongside the fact that no one's bothered to show him any other method of living).

I'm personally still not convinced that Date is acting in a way that seems evil; rather he's acting stupidly. And again - no one has bothered to extend a hand to show him the other side, so of course he's acting stupidly. He's a young man. I think it's pretty great characterization. I will agree that what KOEI has done is shown that Masamune cannot stand on his own two feet - but they've also communicated throughout the franchise that by trying to stand on your own, you will fail. Only through co-operation and by standing together was everyone able to succeed.

I'm not saying KOEI hasn't dropped the ball with certain desicions (I think DW6 is a travesty overall, and the characterization of Keiji in this is pretty horrible), but I do not think this is one of them. In Orochi's forces you have this sad underdog - a young man who can only believe in violence because it was the only way shown to him, and because no one bothered to take the time to show him another way he's just kept on doing what he's doing.
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Character development can only realy happen in an individual story mode situation. This is a more kingdom play aspect game like DW4, which is why I love it.
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Apr 9 2008, 02:00 PM
Character development can only realy happen in an individual story mode situation. This is a more kingdom play aspect game like DW4, which is why I love it.

Well, character development can happen in a kingdom mode - it just... doesn't in this game (which is a shame, since one can make the point of it being more difficult in the Sangoku and Sengoku games). :lol: Most of the character narratives in Orochi are akin to sitcom formulas. Status quo! Something broke status quo! Status quo restored.
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Apr 9 2008, 10:00 PM
Character development can only realy happen in an individual story mode situation. This is a more kingdom play aspect game like DW4, which is why I love it.

They could If they bring possibly a WO3 to Next-Gen.
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But it is rather hard to consider all 90+ characters incorporated in every way. Someone has to get pushed up, someone has to get pushed back. I'm not upset that Zhao Yun takes a backseat to his older roles, and am glad that Ginchyo gets a bit more camera time.
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Apr 9 2008, 02:06 PM
But it is rather hard to consider all 90+ characters incorporated in every way.  Someone has to get pushed up, someone has to get pushed back.  I'm not upset that Zhao Yun takes a backseat to his older roles, and am glad that Ginchyo gets a bit more camera time.

Oh, of course. It's impossible to provide meaningful development for all 90+ characters at one time. That's why major protagonists, supporting characters, foils, and antagonists have to be decided. And in the first game, they succeeded relatively well in focusing on characters who don't really get alot of focus in their initial franchises. It's possible to have character development; just difficult (near impossible) to do it for everyone unless the story goes on for a long, long, long time.

And I am right there with you concerning Ginchiyo & Zhao Yun. :lol: That was such a great move!
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