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Warriors Orochi 2 - General Discussion
Topic Started: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:26 am (201,701 Views)
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Mr.Honda
Feb 29 2008, 07:30 PM
Watching the videos again, Toshiie special he stabs them and then throws them a loooong ways away and Motochika looks like he summons a member from his team to jump in and attack (not sure what decides which team member attacks, but in the video both team members were summoned).

I'm sure someone already noticed this but yea, just commenting on them.

Man, I'm really getting excited about this game. This doesn't appear to be one of those "complete everything 100% and shelve" kind of games. I could see myself playing this constantly :P

This is why there's "Stupid LDZ!" topic in the staff but not "Stupid Mr.Honda!"...

You're right and thanks for pointing those up again and you have good eyes!! :) I mean Motochika's R1 special - summon his team mates ^^
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:o Chin posted about Staff stuff here! :P j/k

Anyhow, I'd like to see what happens when Motochika summons Orochi :blink: That and to see Toshiie stabbing Meng Huo and throwing him across the screen :lol:
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..so will there be any more characters or is this it..... :huh:
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Ma5ter
Feb 29 2008, 05:02 PM
..so will there be any more characters or is this it..... :huh:

Some feel that there is still room on the JP site for an additional character or 2. That would put the total at 90-91 characters and would fit the rumor of there being more than 90.

We will just have to wait and see for confirmation. ;)
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Mr.Honda
Feb 29 2008, 09:05 PM
Ma5ter
Feb 29 2008, 05:02 PM
..so will there be any more characters or is this it..... :huh:

Some feel that there is still room on the JP site for an additional character or 2. That would put the total at 90-91 characters and would fit the rumor of there being more than 90.

We will just have to wait and see for confirmation. ;)

Well, there should be one more character cause 2 new characters "the evil guy and the new guy with a laser sword" are from japan and one "the guy with fishing rod" from china so basically there should be one character from china...... if you know what am saying,.. :huh:
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yes, we'll see as Mr.Honda said ^^

Cool, we see more about some extensions modes in the news Youtube videos ! ^_^ Also we see Saint Seiya character -Minamoto no Yoshitsune- in action lol (wouaaw laser) :P

Versus mode seems good (with 3 different characters in each sides) as Survival Mode (lol what is it a the end, a horse race XD )
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I'm guessing in Dramatic mode you'll pick 3 characters , a stage and possibly the enemy officers. Then you'll get cutscenes during the battle based on your choices. To me this is an excellent replacement for Free Mode. I think they show the strange combinations on the website to illustrate the cool possibilities.

Also I'm guessing 2 more characters. Either Benkei and Tomoe, or Susanoo and Amaterasu. Basically 1 guy and 1 girl. I think all of these characters will eventually get into the series. I really hope the strory mode is lengthy.
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:huh: will samurai warriors characters be getting their new 5th weapon's??
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nathan79
Feb 29 2008, 10:24 PM
I'm guessing in Dramatic mode you'll pick 3 characters , a stage and possibly the enemy officers. Then you'll get cutscenes during the battle based on your choices. To me this is an excellent replacement for Free Mode. I think they show the strange combinations on the website to illustrate the cool possibilities.

Also I'm guessing 2 more characters. Either Benkei and Tomoe, or Susanoo and Amaterasu. Basically 1 guy and 1 girl. I think all of these characters will eventually get into the series. I really hope the strory mode is lengthy.

koei said something about a total of 90 characters and its up to 89 so only one will be added

i hope it is Benkai but another female would be good
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Yes! We need another female character!!! I hope we get 2 or more :P

But I'm also sad....T_T I found out that Gracia is a Speed Type character!!! I wanted her to be Tech! Well it's not entierly bad...I mean she get 2 R1's.

Oh and I heard something about the character asist thing Motochika did was his R1...I though there was an Ally Asist thing on here and that's what I thought it was... :unsure:

Oh and R1's are probably the same...Ranmaru and Lu Xu had the same ones....
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nathan79
Feb 29 2008, 06:24 PM
I'm guessing in Dramatic mode you'll pick 3 characters , a stage and possibly the enemy officers. Then you'll get cutscenes during the battle based on your choices. To me this is an excellent replacement for Free Mode. I think they show the strange combinations on the website to illustrate the cool possibilities.

Also I'm guessing 2 more characters. Either Benkei and Tomoe, or Susanoo and Amaterasu. Basically 1 guy and 1 girl. I think all of these characters will eventually get into the series. I really hope the strory mode is lengthy.

MMM.... Where has it been revealed that Free Mode is gone?

Oh, and I so agree that Tomoe and Benkei are must adds.
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^ No, they aren't. Benkei and Tomoe are only central and relevant to Yoshitsune's/the Gempei War's story/history. Adding them in seems pretty pointless, especially when there are tons of more deserving mythical and legendary figures from Japan they could use.

And even then, this is all assuming the supposed 90th character is even from Japan. If the 90th guy isn't Susano'o, it'll be someone chinese.
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Feb 29 2008, 11:15 PM
Update on Survival Mode - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOFhwbS0e5E

From what I can see, new characters > old characters.
lol@ Da Qiao and Keiji getting owned.
Survival mode is pretty much the same thing, except few minor twitches?
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Feb 29 2008, 11:27 PM
^ No, they aren't. Benkei and Tomoe are only central and relevant to Yoshitsune's/the Gempei War's story/history. Adding them in seems pretty pointless, especially when there are tons of more deserving mythical and legendary figures from Japan they could use.

And even then, this is all assuming the supposed 90th character is even from Japan. If the 90th guy isn't Susano'o, it'll be someone chinese.

I'm saying they should be added purely because the both of them are big cultural figures in Japan and I personally like them. They're both well known and well liked figures, so I don't see what's the problem with it. I mean, the truth is only Fu Xi and Nu Wa{ignoring Guan Yu} are the only legit deities introduced thus far. I'd assumed they mostly came back because they were in SSM2, so the roster would feel complete. I doubt it would be because Koei wanted to make some kind of "War of Gods" thing going on as many people are assuming. Wouldn't it seem that the deities factor isn't really going to be played?

I think that assuming that Koei is going to add more deities due to two returning characters that just so happened to be deities is assuming too much, I think, considering that Koei doesn't typically play around with gods as such. I don't see no reason why not to add characters from the gempei war period because lets face it.... The only real interesting figures in terms of Japanese warfare history mostly come from the Sengoku, gempei, and 18th-early 19th centuries... So don't be surprised that any more Japanese characters added to the game will come from that era being especially being as Yoshitsune and Kiyomori are from that era.

Also, who says it has to be just 90 characters? It's been clearly stated that there will be more then 90 characters. So room for those two and three possible Chinese characters are possible. But then again, who the hell really cares if it's 50/50 Japanese and Chinese figures.

Tomoe never actually had little to no interaction with Yoshitsune to my knownledge. She mostly played the part of the loyal wife to Minamoto Yoshinaka and died because of it. So her role wouldn't necessacarily have to be to hang around Yoshitsune. Possibly join Jiang Jiya or start her own force? Who knows.

Benkei is an important figure under Yoshitsune... How could you deny his importance to Yoshitsune? I think that a character that serves as Yoshitsune's loyal retainer would be great... Now it just came to mind that they may add some historical generics from Gempei period... I think That would be awesome.
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Mar 1 2008, 03:56 AM
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Feb 29 2008, 11:15 PM
Update on Survival Mode - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOFhwbS0e5E

From what I can see, new characters > old characters.
lol@ Da Qiao and Keiji getting owned.
Survival mode is pretty much the same thing, except few minor twitches?

oh god yoshitsune, taigong, and motochika owned keiji and da qiao 2 of my favorite characters!
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DrewTheDude
Feb 29 2008, 06:58 PM
Wouldn't it seem that the deities factor isn't really going to be played?


Um. Having 4/6 MO-exclusive characters being deities/gods/whatever means they ARENT playing the deity war card?

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The only real interesting figures in terms of Japanese warfare history mostly come from the Sengoku, gempei, and 18th-early 19th centuries... So don't be surprised that any more Japanese characters added to the game will come from that era being especially being as Yoshitsune and Kiyomori are from that era.


You're sort of jumping around here. First off, KOEI isn't looking for "warfare" figures for this game; having Orochi as the main baddie in the first place proves this. They're just taking very big, important figures. Secondly, they already HAVE thier Gempei-era characters, they don't need to add 2+ more when more deserving, sensical characters could be.

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Also, who says it has to be just 90 characters?


No one. That was just assuming KOEI was rounding off the game at 90, which is a good number.

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Tomoe never actually had little to no interaction with Yoshitsune to my knownledge. She mostly played the part of the loyal wife to Minamoto Yoshinaka and died because of it. So her role wouldn't necessacarily have to be to hang around Yoshitsune. Possibly join Jiang Jiya or start her own force? Who knows.


I wasn't saying it would be, and I know she really had nothing to do with Yoshitsune personally, but she is a part of Yoshitsune's history and the Gempei's history.

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Benkei is an important figure under Yoshitsune... How could you deny his importance to Yoshitsune?


Uh. I didn't. I know very well his importance and worth in the tale of Yoshitsune (Yoshitsune and his history is one of my favorite samurai/samurai lore), but it would just seem like a big waste to add him or Tomoe when really, just Yoshitsune is enough. Susano'o or Amaterasu would be much better choices, and hell, even Sojobo the Tengu would be a much more interesting/original choice than Benkei or Tomoe.
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I hope they make S-Strings useful again, I hated the thing they did in the first, where everyone only had like three attacks that dealt damage, I like to play with different attacks (because choosing one attack and doing it over and over is immensely boring) and there was no room for that, you either went with the hits-the-whole-screen-ignores-defense-kills-instantly attack or the enemies just wouldn't suffer any significant damage, on the other hand, using said attacks basically meant 1HKO, which became boring quickly.

Honestly, the first MO only had concept, music and huge ****ing damage (from the enemies) in it's favor.

I hope they go for less dumb gameplay this time.
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I wonder how Gan Ning DW5's Musou attack is going to be functioned in that VS mode loool!
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Mar 1 2008, 12:19 PM
I wonder how Gan Ning DW5's Musou attack is going to be functioned in that VS mode loool!

Gan Ning atleast can hit but think about Nobunaga's :lol: His musou is going to be hard to use in the V.S mode.
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This is kind of dumb.

Shouldn't it matter more what the character itself is like, what their weapon is, and what their story mode ends up being? It's kind of petty to be saying, "No that character would be dumb lawl" or "yeah they should add this one."

At this point I think Koei could add anybody, and the character would be good either way. I personally think they'll add a Chinaman.

And yes, I would support Tomoe Gozen anyways, as I said in some other thread. My only issue with her is that I'm afraid she might become too much like Ina, which would suck. If they made her more unique than that, I'd be cool with her.

Edit-Besides, storyline is probably the worst feature of these games (and by these games, I mean musou orochi ones). It's not like you can expect one mythical/legendary hero to have a storyline any better than another one. In this game it's all "orochi" or "anti-orochi," and the storyline makes little sense in general. :/
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I'm with Slickslicer here. I'm not going to argue with you on the idea of "ohs dis histoy figga is betta the dat one so he/she shud be aded and not the oter one." Whoever you think is good to be in the game is up to you. The truth is, any character could turn our crappy any way you look at. If Koei wanted to, they could make Susanoo into a whiny little boy who attacked people with nail clippers and Amaterasu into some whiny female who does nothing but hit people with a water bottle... Koei can do anything with their characters, so saying one character will be better then the other is idiotic. Personally, I want to see Tomoe and Benkei be added because those two interest me. Not because I think they would be better then the deities, and honestly, I think any more Japanese characters added will be from this era. But what I'm arguing is that Tomoe and Benkei wouldn't be wastes. What's the problem with adding more Gempei characters in? I really don't see a problem with this unless the characters aren't good.

So what if Nu Wa and Fu Xi are gods? Orochi isn't an official god as he was a creation Koei made up to mash up the characters in the first game. Not to set some "war of the gods." I'm positive Koei ONLY brought back Nu Wa and Fu Xi for the purpose of making the roster feel complete. There really isn't anything else to say otherwise.

The point I was trying to make with the war statement is that 95%{minus the women} of the characters in these games were major figures involved in warfare one way or another. So for Koei to add characters with a non-war like relation seems very unlikely. Being as that the Gempei War era, Sengoku era, and the war heroes of the 18th-early 19th century were the best known, I'd assume Koei will only be interested in the popular characters being from the Gempei era{the other time periods would be too anachronical on their part} as a number of figures of the era are well known, ex Tomoe and Benkei being way up there.

Why should it matter if they keep it at 90? I wouldn't mind them adding in a few more characters after that and make it 93. 90 is not a necessity, nor should it be.

Now, personally, I'm hoping they will add Sun Wukong next. I think he would be a good add.
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Orochi isn't an official god as he was a creation Koei made up to mash up the characters in the first game


Especially if you consider the fact that Koei's Orochi is far from an eight-headed dragon or whatever the heck the mythical Orochi was supposed to be. o_0
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Haha. So true. Orochi's basis of being a deity is pretty crappy too considering he's unlike other deities in the idea that they created/control something. In fact, you probably couldn't even call him a god but rather someone of that magnitude of power.
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I say 2 more characters in this installment, mainly because it looks like thats how many more profiles will fit on their website. Also, Koei has rarely been know for using nice "round" numbers. I think we can all agree that more is better! :D

Btw, what are the chances of getting all new music this game? it would be nice, although I'd really like to see some dw4 tracks resurface. There is something very "Robert Hamburgerish" about that OST.
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I'd assume that they will add a few new tracks. But I'm positive it will be recycled for the most part. Oh, and there's no problem with fitting characters in the website. They can always use the scroll function.
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