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Warriors Orochi 2 - General Discussion
Topic Started: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:26 am (201,666 Views)
TheRyanHimself
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zhaoyun619
Mar 26 2008, 10:33 AM
now i only hope that some jap in here will write if it's a dvd5 or dvd9..(no way for a dvd5 i guess now)
btw, i think himiko is horrible! she has a scary face! how can they make a female char so ugly!??
weapons looks coll though

O_O I think what you mean..is some Japanese person.
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TheRyanHimself
Mar 26 2008, 10:36 AM
zhaoyun619
Mar 26 2008, 10:33 AM
now i only hope that some jap in here will write if it's a dvd5 or dvd9..(no way for a dvd5 i guess now)

O_O I think what you mean..is some Japanese person.

*is equally disturbed* :blink:

... or someone else who is willing to translate ...
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Mar 26 2008, 02:40 PM
TheRyanHimself
Mar 26 2008, 10:36 AM
zhaoyun619
Mar 26 2008, 10:33 AM
now i only hope that some jap in here will write if it's a dvd5 or dvd9..(no way for a dvd5 i guess now)

O_O I think what you mean..is some Japanese person.

*is equally disturbed* :blink:

... or someone else who is willing to translate ...

yeah sorry, japanese :mellow:
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Hmmm! so one of my three guesses was correct.(feels fairly proud of myself). i'm happy, personally i always liked this character, i think she looks amazing. i'm really looking forward to WO2 now.
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I'm just wondering, will Himiko's moveset be DW based? If so then...eh I don't really care because she's awsome! I wonder what her musou will be.
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Mar 26 2008, 08:45 AM
I'm just wondering, will Himiko's moveset be DW based? If so then...eh I don't really care because she's awsome! I wonder what her musou will be.

Good question, although I'm pretty sure that it'll be like the SW characters. At least, that's the way they did Orochi and Da Ji. Orochi had a SW style moveset and Da Ji a DW style.
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uhm..i think it's gonna be SW, cuz she's japanese afterall..just guessing
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Da Qiao Forever
Mar 26 2008, 02:45 PM
I'm just wondering, will Himiko's moveset be DW based? If so then...eh I don't really care because she's awsome! I wonder what her musou will be.

Thats a good question :mellow: But I believe she's more Japanese based is she not? So her having the SW set would be okay, and make her Normal. I just cant see 2 floating weapons persons having the DW set.
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Mar 26 2008, 10:49 AM
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Mar 26 2008, 02:45 PM
I'm just wondering, will Himiko's moveset be DW based? If so then...eh I don't really care because she's awsome! I wonder what her musou will be.

Thats a good question :mellow: But I believe she's more Japanese based is she not? So her having the SW set would be okay, and make her Normal. I just cant see 2 floating weapons persons having the DW set.

Da Ji did ... :mellow:

I never even thought about which style moveset the new characters would have :huh:
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True she IS Japanese..as are the crew from SW. But she's more affiliated with DW. So...who the Hell knows?
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Da Qiao Forever
Mar 26 2008, 02:45 PM
I'm just wondering, will Himiko's moveset be DW based? If so then...eh I don't really care because she's awsome! I wonder what her musou will be.

Himiko was a Three Kingdoms individual, she lived during that time period, she was from the the present day island of Kyushu, but it was'nt even a Japanese territory at the time, if i'm not mistaken. so i'd say DW.
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foomin
Mar 26 2008, 02:52 PM
Himiko was a Three Kingdoms individual, she lived during that time period, she was from the the present day island of Kyushu, but it was'nt even a Japanese territory at the time, if i'm not mistaken. so i'd say DW.

As always foomin with great points.

But I always see her referenced more in Japanese content than Chinese. But oh well, it wont matter what she gets.

Anyone wanna take a stab at how the other new characters MS will be?
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for me i dun really care as long hers moveset is good then it is good enough for me.
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G. O. W.
Mar 26 2008, 10:55 AM
Anyone wanna take a stab at how the other new characters MS will be?

:blink: That's a daunting task ...

There is so much to think about for that:

- SW vs DW moveset
- (If SW) Normal, Charge or Special
- TEC, PWR or SPD

I can't even begin to guess at how the new characters fit in there :mellow:
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Well I can kind of tell that Yoshitusne will be normal type from SW. You can see him do his grab move in his video, although apparently he has 2. I'd say that Kiyomori is gonna be cahrge type. Taigong, from him doing his s-string, I'd say is DW or possibly charge type SW. His Yin Yang symbols seem akin to Motochika's sound bubbles. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that SW is special. As for Himiko I'm gonna say normal.
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G. O. W.
Mar 26 2008, 02:55 PM
foomin
Mar 26 2008, 02:52 PM
Himiko was a Three Kingdoms individual, she lived during that time period, she was from the the present day island of Kyushu, but it was'nt even a Japanese territory at the time, if i'm not mistaken. so i'd say DW.

As always foomin with great points.

But I always see her referenced more in Japanese content than Chinese. But oh well, it wont matter what she gets.

Anyone wanna take a stab at how the other new characters MS will be?

thanks, G.O.W.~ here's a HISOTORICAL biography, taken from KongMing's. this does not include any of the fictional business associated with Himiko.

"Himiko was the female ruler of an early pre-Japan political region known as Yamatai which was believed to have existed either in the Yamato region or northern Kyushu of modern-day Japan. Her territory was observed by the Chinese as having no oxen, horses, tigers, leopards, sheep or magpies, and it was noted that Himiko’s countrymen tattooed their faces. Himiko never married though she is recorded as having a son who aided her with state affairs and diplomatic missions which included maintaining a relationship with the Chinese kingdom of Wei (AD 220–265). It is recorded that she kept 1,000 female attendants, that there was only one man in charge of changing her wardrobe and providing her meals, and that she was rarely seen in public.

(1): Sometimes Yamadai. Yamaichi in Chen Shou’s Wei zhu

Much of HImiko’s relation with China is recorded in the Three Kingdoms Wei Chronicles (Wei zhi), written by Chen Shou between AD 280–297 by Chen Shou and later used in the Three Kingdoms history, Sanguozhi, and based on reports made by Chinese envoys sent to the northern parts of Kyu shu between AD 239 and 248. It is written that Himiko was a shaman queen who controlled people spanning over 100 communities and “occupied herself with magic and sorcery bewitching the people.” Chinese envoys maintained contact with over thirty of these communities and record the inhabitants universally by the name Wa, which literally translates to ‘Little People’. While she may not have controlled her people through supernatural ability, Queen Himiko was certainly looked up to by them as a spiritual leader.

Chen Shou’s Wei zhi is drawn upon extensively in the Hou Han shu, but one key element differs between the records. In Wei zhi Queen Himiko is regarded as the leader of her people and the target of contact between the two countries. In Hou Han shu Himiko’s role is replaced with the ‘King of Wa’ and the hundred communities are recorded as having been ruled by separate kings with hereditary positions. This presents the possibility that Himiko may have been nothing more than a religious leader and contact for the Chinese people functioning inside a King-ruled country, but the specific mention of Queen Himiko’s appointment in Wei zhi combined with her apparent importance in the community do serve to maintain the popular interpretation of history. In addition some historians believe the nature of Japanese culture at the time of Hou Han shu’s writing may have influenced the presentation of the book’s text (i.e. the use of ‘King’ instead of ‘Queen’) and it is also important to note that Chen Shou was alive during the period of these interactions while the authors of Hou Han shu were obviously drawing upon historic reference.

As recorded in Wei zhi, in AD 238 Queen Himiko sent the grandee Nashonmi and others to visit the Chinese prefecture of Tai-fang where they asked to proceed to the Emperor’s court with tribute (160 slaves as recorded in Hou Han shu). Governor Liu Xia dispatched an officer to accompany them. In the twelfth month of the same year the Emperor issued a decree addressing her, and officially calling her a ‘Friend of Wei’ and titling her ‘Queen of Wa’. The Chinese first established contact with Himiko’s people in AD 240 when governor Gong Zun sent Ti Zhun, a commandant of the Imperial Guard, with imperial rescript and ribbon seal to visit the Yamatai country. When asked of their origins by the Wei embassy, the people of Wa claimed to be descendants of King Taibo of Wu, a historic figure who founded the first Wu kingdom (吳國) around the Yangtze Delta of China (2).

(2): Original name from Wei zhi: 倭人自謂太伯之後

In AD 247 Wang Qi assumed office as governor of Tai-fang. Queen Himiko was presently at odds with the King of Kunu, Pimikuku. Kunu spanned the territories south of Queen Himiko’s communities. It is hypothesized that the cause for this disagreement was based around cultural differences and immigration issues. She dispatched Saishi Uwo of her people to report in person regarding the conflict.

Himiko died in AD 248 due to unknown causes. When Queen Himiko passed away a king was replaced on the throne in her stead but the people would not obey him, and he was soon assassinated. It was only when a relative of Queen Himiko, a thirteen-year-old girl by the name of Iyo, was placed on the throne that the situation calmed down. It is recorded in alternate history that a tribal king posthumously titled Emperor Shujin (3), raised a military host against either Queen Himiko or her successor (4), ultimately conquering them and replacing her culture with male rule, based out of central Japan.

(3): Pimikuku?

(4) Recorded as a niece, a relative, or another shaman. Iyo?

In addition to China, Himiko’s people also maintained contact with Korean countries and she even sent an emissary to King Adalla of Silla in May AD 172.

In Nihonshoki, a Japanese history which was completed in AD 720, it is noted that Himiko was actually Empress Jingu Kogo, mother of Emperor Ojin, but many historians disagree with this conclusion. Still others speculate that she is the entity from which the Japanese sun goddess Amaterasu was created (‘Hi’ 卑 means ‘Sun’ and ‘Miko’ 弥呼 means ‘Priestess’).

It is believed by some that Himiko would have been a ruler during the Jomon period of Japanese pre-history which functioned under a goddess-based faith, as suggested by archaeological finds. Unfortunately, these finds date from about 300 BC at the latest, about five centuries prior to Himiko’s reign. As such, any correlation is unlikely. Other evidence tentatively links her to proto-Yamato people who migrated to Japan in the late Jamon and early Yayoi periods. Traditions of Jomon culture including reverence to female godheads, priestess-led society, and small tribal groups functioning as units of power in a proto-agricultural economic setting may have influenced the societies of Yayoi settles and the cultural structure of Himiko’s society."
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Mar 26 2008, 02:33 PM
btw, i think himiko is horrible! she has a scary face! how can they make a female char so ugly!??
weapons looks cool though

Ouch, that's a little harsh don't you think? Certainly she isn't ugly, a little scary perhaps, but definitely not ugly. I think it's really the red paint under her eyes that's making the impression that she's ugly. I personally think she's quite cute (way more so than freakish Nene).

And I hope this isn't a DVD9 game. If that's the case then I certainly won't be able to play it as an import.
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Mar 26 2008, 03:04 PM
zhaoyun619
Mar 26 2008, 02:33 PM
btw, i think himiko is horrible! she has a scary face! how can they make a female char so ugly!??
weapons looks cool though

Ouch, that's a little harsh don't you think? Certainly she isn't ugly, a little scary perhaps, but definitely not ugly. I think it's really the red paint under her eyes that's making the impression that she's ugly. I personally think she's quite cute (way more so than freakish Nene).

And I hope this isn't a DVD9 game. If that's the case then I certainly won't be able to play it as an import.

the "paint" may be the tattos referenced in her bio i posted.
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I'm tired of hearing complaints that female characters aren't pretty enough. That is NOT why they are in the game. They are there to appeal to female players (for the most part) and to show that women can be badass. Which they surely can be. No one babyes that Cao Ren isn't handsome enough. It's called character variation. I'm still waiting for a truly scary and creepy female character...like the one from Seven Swordsmen. There is FAR more to female characters than their looks.

Fictional or not, treating them as "physical" tools for your lust and desire for "beauty" is irritating, immature, and simply foolish.
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Chillax Ryan. Let the guy have his own opinion, despite how skewed it might be. I personally think she looks really cool. I can't wait to play as her. ^_^
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Though not worded the best, you do have a point Ryan. Then there comes the complaints that they are portrayed as mindless ditz's. Well, if they're all looks, what do you expect? :huh:
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O_o Sorry. Besides...I think she's cute. :lol:
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Mar 26 2008, 11:14 AM
I'm tired of hearing complaints that female characters aren't pretty enough. That is NOT why they are in the game. They are there to appeal to female players (for the most part) and to show that women can be badass. Which they surely can be. No one babyes that Cao Ren isn't handsome enough. It's called character variation. I'm still waiting for a truly scary and creepy female character...like the one from Seven Swordsmen. There is FAR more to female characters than their looks.

Fictional or not, treating them as "physical" tools for your lust and desire for "beauty" is irritating, immature, and simply foolish.

I'd have to agree with this notion.

Eye candy is nice, sure, but in the end, character variation is better. And besides, I like the fact that there are a variety of female figures in the overall Musou series, and that they're not overly-busty porcelain dolls for guys to fap to.

Furthermore, I guess it would have to be always a thing of "eye of the beholder". As a red-blooded male, I have to admit that I'm drawn to the likes of SW1-Noh, Nu Wa, Tachibana and Zhen Ji, because I think they have a different degree of "sexy" that appeals to me (I like strong-willed, or otherwise independent women :D).
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for anyone whose played Kessen 2, she's REALLY similar to that Himiko, they've only "tribal-ized" her to fit more with her historical persona. i actually have no issue with her looks at all, however if KOEI give her a silly pixie-ish/lolita personality and VA, i will be pretty irritated. i'm so tired of Gracia-like personas. she can look like this and still have a good fierce VA and persona, after all she's a Shaman and leader of her people. oh, and i believe she'll be affiliated with Wei as that was her historical background.
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Yeah, I too would like a more Ginchiyo personality. Sadly, he little hand gesture kinda makes me feel like we're dealing with another bubbly lil' woman, with a short temper.
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