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Emo; The sub-culture and its impacts on society.
Topic Started: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:21 am (6,636 Views)
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Oh, I once met an Emo who split up with his girlfriend because he was happy with her!!! :unsure:
But...that is just the extreme case.
I think there are more people who aren't Emos that hurt themselves...it's just the Emos who show it, when they do. I don't really have any contact with them, so I don't know anything about them :unsure:
But not even trying to be happy is really sad :( I hope all those that currently classify themselves as "Emos" will one day be able to see a brighter side of life ^_^
It's probably just a way to express themselves. Like baggy pants! They were banned in some places O_O Clothes are a way of expression, to some, though, so that shouldn't be taken away :o
I really don't know much about them, though ^^'
I think everyone should think about suicide at least once in life, as it's an important step to find some things out. But before you really take that step, it's better to think about the reasons, and if you really can't change anything about it...or, a huge deterrent, is to think of your family at your grave O_O Well, of their feelings.
In my family, I have many connections to suicide, and self-mutilations ^^'
"Suicide doesn't solve problems, it ends them.", someone said once :o
Once I wanted to die just to find out what REALLY happens after death XD If I had had some idea of it O_O But...death WILL come visit all of us, sooner or later! So it'd be a waste not to see what the rest of the days left to you would bring, I think :o
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I hate it that people can be so stereotypical to emo's, i am an emo!

I really wish people wouldnt call our sense of fashion 'dull', we like to wear skinny jeans and black clothes, what is depressing about the colour black? ok so its worn at funerals, but alot of people wear black anyway, not just emos, in jobs uniforms are black quite often!

And what is depressing about skinny jeans and the emo fringe? Skinny jeans are bloody awesome, they feel good to wear you know and i think guys look sexy in them :meantongue:

The emo fringe is epic, its part of the emotion comveying look we have.

Seriously though, how can people be so stereotypical about us emo's, it really is discrimination to just assume that we all slit our wrists and support suicide.

Its like saying all americans go to mcdonals, its offensive :realangry:

I will admit that i have thought about suicide a few times in my life, mainly because i am emotional as i have said, and i have had points in my life like alot of people where things get too much, but i have never taken my life evidently, nor have i self harmed.

Being stereotypical about emo's will only make us more depressed and upset.

Believe it or not we are still human and though we do tend to seem ever sadened we can be 'happy', but its people who discriminate us that make it hard.

PLEASE STOP INSULTING OUR DRESS SENSE.

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I'm trying to be more Ome. I never really have thought about suicide really, but I know the reactions/effects it has on people after someone they loved has committed suicide. It basically has scared me into never doing it and also the thought of actually ending your life is stupid. It's like shooting your parents in the face. I'd rather be homeless with a terrible disease then take my own life. I offer barely any sympathy to people who do it and only sympathize with their parents and loved ones. Suicide is for people who can't take responsibility into their own hands or face their fears and consequences. I can understand it when someone is in serious pain like if they are 90 years old and want to be put out of their misery. But just doing it because you think you have reached the lowest point in life or have failed to do something is just a terrible excuse.

My dad even gets upset even if someone jokes about suicide because he used to play basketball with a neighbor's kid who committed suicide. It was on the same day when my dad and mom got back from the hospital after giving birth to my brother. My dad went over to tell the neighbor's mother and said that "we finally had our first child" and she replied that her first child had killed himself that morning. Can you imagine hearing such news?


I think the whole "emo" thing is starting to evolve into "scene" now.

It's ok to judge how people dress though. That is how our society associates people with groups and clicks. If you see a really dirty person with really worn clothes with holes you can assume that they are homeless or very poor. If you see a guy wearing a Polo shirt with a popped collar with sunglasses on and spiked hair you can assume he is a d-bag. That's just how the world is. We judge before we even meet people.
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Am I an emotional person? Yes.
Do I wear skinny jeans? Yes.
Do I prefer to wear darker colors? Yes.
Have I ever given the slightest thought of committing suicide? Yes, but not seriously.
Am I emo? No.

Gosh, I really dislike all this classification based on just the way people dress. I've known people who dress "emo" who are the most up-beat, optimistic people in the world. I've known "goths" who aren't even the slightest bit depressed or into heavy metal music. And I've known "every-day normal" people who have contemplated suicide.

It has nothing to do with how people dress or what type of music they listen to, any individual is just as likely to commit suicide as the next. Everyone's capable of it, but people make their own decisions based on their life and values.

Funny thing is, statistically, it's WHITE UPPER CLASS MEN who have the highest rates of suicide. This is not just in America, but is a trend all over the world.
So why conclude it is only the "emos" who commit suicide? It's just another ugly stereotype. The only way to break stereotyping to stop labeling. Which, will never stop, because human beings label everything and everyone on an everyday basis.

@Shadow: I don't see what's so great about placing yourself in a group anyway. I don't want to be "emo", "punk", "preppy", or "normal". I just want to be me. In my opinion, most of the groups and stereotypes are just part of high school crap. Once you get into the broader world of college, you tend to stop labeling less, and just seeing people for who they are.
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Sun Feb 1, 2009 4:57 am
@Shadow: I don't see what's so great about placing yourself in a group anyway. I don't want to be "emo", "punk", "preppy", or "normal". I just want to be me. In my opinion, most of the groups and stereotypes are just part of high school crap. Once you get into the broader world of college, you tend to stop labeling less, and just seeing people for who they are.
Definitely true. High School seems to have all the groups and stuff. College has it, but people don't see you as a label. Maybe a sl*t or a d-bag, but not really emo or preppy.
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:49 am
Ahm...just let them do what they want?

And...well...let them be what they want?

Everyone is open to homosexuals and other religions, but you are stingy about those ones?
I know someone who is homosexual and he was discriminated a long time. But he does the same to emos. I don´t get it. He knows how this is, how you feel, when you´re made fun off and complains about it....and is stupid enough to do it himself? <_<

Everytime I hear people using "Everyone is different, as long as they hurt no one else, they should do what they want"...why not this time?



i'm just going to point out, that being gay or being a part of a religion are not quite the same thing as choosing a social group to identify with. my point earlier in the thread was that "Emo" is just the recent thing to call this trend, and that's what it is, a trend.

i'm certain that anyone identifying with the "Emo" genre may believe that they will always do so. i was "Goth/New Waver" in the 80's, now i'm not. folks grow and change, the only part of this particular social group that i think is negative is the self-loathing/self-damaging part. EVERYONE at some period of their life between 12 and 30, feels disenfranchised, alone, depressed and hopeless, it gets better. just don't hurt yourself before it does.

everybody deserves the chance to express themselves, they just don't deserve to cause physical harm to themselves, or emotional harm to those who love them.

edit:and since this topic title is Emos and suicide, i don't think anyone is attacking you if you are just following the fashion style/trend, Shadow. at least i know i'm not.
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I see this as a regrettable image of society's ungrateful individuals, it is especially sad that "emos" are often from young cliques and have great opportunities but constantly refuse them, choosing depression which eventually leads to madness. It's not very hard, instead of thinking about suicide, they should learn to think about more cheerful things and let go of their fears and move on.
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Emo is purely a pejorative for annoying morons who are overly emotional. Personally, I really dislike this trend. There's so much retardation about it that I can't help but make fun of it.

I really don't care if you follow the trend or like it But to pretend that I or anyone else should care about it or respect it would be an idiotic assumption. If you're going to follow the trend, you're going to need to put up with the backlash from people who dislike it. Representing histrionic ideals and over-emotionalism really doesn't get much respect in soceity.

Besides, It's not like it's something like ethnicity or gender which is going to be around for the rest of humanities existence. It's a stupid trend that'll surely die as history moves forward. I see it as annoying representation of how dominant teen angst is starting to become in our culture and that's something that I really can't respect.
Edited by DrewTheDude-Dono, Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:49 pm.
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*Sigh*

This topic should have NOTHING to do with how you feel about "emos," it's about the correlation between "emos and suicide" which is nothing but a stereotype.
It's like saying all teenage WoW players are obese and will die of heart failure before they are 40.
Edited by Manji, Tue Feb 3, 2009 4:32 am.
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In my heart i am 'emo' but i no longer wish to go round braging about it or acting like its something important, i am an emotional person, i always have been and always will be, but the type of 'emo' that people think of now is not what i think of myself and thus i believe, yes, it is stereotypical.

Being a teen, i know that we go through our stages of deciding which social group we belong in, it happens, it's supposed to be away of getting to know others as well as outselves. Buy these days it seems to do more harm then good. I mean i went out in a jacket with skulls and the grim reaper on it and i had older boys in tracky bottoms spitting at me.

'Emo' had lost its meaning now, and i have started to grow up and see sense in just calling my type 'Me'.

As for the connection between 'suicide' and 'emos'.. There isnt one tbh, i mean suicide can be done by anyway, it isnt restricted to just one social group that everyone stereotypicly calls 'self harmers' which as i have stated is completely different.

Uthenasia is a form of suicide and its done by terminaly ill people who wish to suffer no longer, not teenagers who go round in skinny jeans...

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Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:49 pm
I mean i went out in a jacket with skulls and the grim reaper on it and i had older boys in tracky bottoms spitting at me.
Really? I wear shirts with skulls on them all the time and I never get any backlash. That must suck.

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I never got the whole "emo" craze myself. All people feel emotions so its not like they're in a special group. But whatever, as long as you emos aren't diddling little kids, telling me how no one understands you, or murdering your parents, I think we can live side by side.

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@SnowMan: Yeah, i mean i was in school aswell, just minding my own buisness, it sucks. I cant even walk down the road in my normal clothes without some one shouting 'emo' or 'dead freak' at me, pathetic really :/

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@SnowMan: Yeah, i mean i was in school aswell, just minding my own buisness, it sucks. I cant even walk down the road in my normal clothes without some one shouting 'emo' or 'dead freak' at me, pathetic really :/

Emo girls are hot. Atleast the ones without the nasty tattoos/piercings and cigarette burns on their clothes.

I don't think someone would say stuff like that in the US unless you were in the deep south or something.
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So being "emo" just means "emotional" and not necessarily a cutter? Then I guess most girls I ever knew were emo. Shadow, it looks like it's not that you're all emotional that makes people look down on you. It's how you present yourself that makes people wanna laugh, taunt, spit on you etc. There's a difference between being an emotional person and being a downer. Self-proclaimed emos tend to be downers. Tiffany Pollard is an actual emo.

And then with the dress style thing. how the eff can you dress emotionally? :blink: People who wear bats, skeletons, devils etc - dont expect to be taken seriously, let alone emo. That has nothing to do with being emo.
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Posted Image lol i couldn't resist!! please dont hurt me.. :unsure:
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Posted Image lol i couldn't resist!! please dont hurt me.. :unsure:
That is completely inappropriate and could be classed as pretty offensive.
This is not a place for such spam or triviality rather it is a place where serious discussion takes place, if you cannot contribute to it in a mature manner then don't post at all. If something similar in nature happens again then there will be repercussions. I'm not talking only about this topic but this whole section in general.

Do not think that this only applies to you, the same thing stands for everyone else as well.
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I am not a downer :/ When i say i am emotional i dont just mean regular emotional, i mean to quite extremes, but meh.

But these day i have learned to try and control my emotions alittle better, so i dont get extreme, and not just with depressed or sadness.

Well i used to think myself emo, but have come to see that i am more myself, but my way of being does fit into the 'emo' category at times, among other 'types' though.

From now i am making myself not believe in these social groups anyway, they are starting to suck.

I will no longer take people who categorise themselves seriously. People are themselves and have their own personailty, people cant be categorised as we're all different.

I believe it is possible to dress emotionaly, i mean by that, how some one dresses usualy reflects on their inner emotions. I amnt just talking about the design like skulls and stuff i am talking about the way things are worn, but w/e.

and guy who posted that spamish pic, that is completely off topic and if you wish to go be stereotypical go do it somewhere else, or atleast give a post worth reading...

nrrr.........
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I am glad to see you have had a turn-around about placing yourself into a clique, Shadow. There is no reason to categorize yourself. We do such things in middle school/high school to make friends and "fit in." I myself used to hang out with "punks/goths/otakus" in highschool but never really felt like I fit in with anyone. Since college, I have made various different friends all from different backgrounds, and I feel more comfortable with myself not having to conform to anyone's expectations.

I personally feel like this topic should be closed, since it has sort of derailed from the initial "discussion" and is filled with a bunch of hated towards a certain social group. But I'll leave that up to the mods of this section, since it has been around for several months anyway.
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@Shadow: I don't see what's so great about placing yourself in a group anyway. I don't want to be "emo", "punk", "preppy", or "normal". I just want to be me. In my opinion, most of the groups and stereotypes are just part of high school crap. Once you get into the broader world of college, you tend to stop labeling less, and just seeing people for who they are.
Definitely true. High School seems to have all the groups and stuff. College has it, but people don't see you as a label. Maybe a sl*t or a d-bag, but not really emo or preppy.
Thats so true. I don't like Emo's. They are so weird :blink: Seriously, emo's in my school have this weird facial expression. Its like they are depressed, they never seem to smile or laugh. They also dress scary, like if they want to scare people away :lol: . That is probably why people hate them and bully them.

But this was in my school class last year. This year I'm in collage and its amazing how they changed. You hardly recognize them. They were emos in high school and then in college they changed. They become like normal, I hardly recognised one of them. :lol:

I am sure Shadow will change as she grows up. Most Emo does anyways...

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@Shadow: I don't see what's so great about placing yourself in a group anyway. I don't want to be "emo", "punk", "preppy", or "normal". I just want to be me. In my opinion, most of the groups and stereotypes are just part of high school crap. Once you get into the broader world of college, you tend to stop labeling less, and just seeing people for who they are.
Definitely true. High School seems to have all the groups and stuff. College has it, but people don't see you as a label. Maybe a sl*t or a d-bag, but not really emo or preppy.
Thats so true. I don't like Emo's. They are so weird :blink: Seriously, emo's in my school have this weird facial expression. Its like they are depressed, they never seem to smile or laugh. They also dress scary, like if they want to scare people away :lol: . That is probably why people hate them and bully them.

But this was in my school class last year. This year I'm in collage and its amazing how they changed. You hardly recognize them. They were emos in high school and then in college they changed. They become like normal, I hardly recognised one of them. :lol:

I am sure Shadow will change as she grows up. Most Emo does anyways...

I had realized that too. Most Emos I see have changed to normal looking people. Though they still have their depressed faces on..

Though i really never got into the whole labeling thing.. I wouldn't call people Jocks or Preps or anything because most of the time you cant tell much difference between them.

But i try not to call people by labels givin to them, but to call them by the person they really are. Me and my friends do not label eachother because we act the way we want to and don't conmform to label and have to be like all your other friends..

Oh and sorry for that last picture thing... I never got flamed so i was assuming people can actualy take a joke :rolleyes:
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I hate how everyone assumes all emos cut themselves, want to commit suaside and are dying for attention. I find it to be very closed minded.

As far as being emo goes, pearsonally I dress in that sort of style, but depressed I am not. I love my life right now and eveything is great. Perhaps strangers on the street may assume me to be a depressed individul, but anyone who knows me would know otherwise.

I do think people who cut themselves, then flash their cuts around to everyone are just crying out for attention, but there are probably alot of people that you woulden't know about that harm themselves, there are people with real problems, those would be the ones that hide it. I do know a few people who used to do this to themselves, but ofcourse told no one and would always just say it's something from the cat. I can happily say they got therapy and are better now though.
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i strongly agree about your point
because being emo is some how a Mental disease
because most of the emo people's end is suicide
and this is a very bad thing for the person and a very sad thing for the familly
and i wish that i wont be that low to end like that
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Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:00 pm
i strongly agree about your point
because being emo is some how a Mental disease
because most of the emo people's end is suicide
and this is a very bad thing for the person and a very sad thing for the familly
and i wish that i wont be that low to end like that
Being EMO isn't a mental disease, are you kidding me? Having suicidal thoughts would be considered, by some, YES a mental disease. Although I think suicide is best defined as a DEVIANT BEHAVIOR because most individuals of society would not consider ending your own life as a normal action.

Dressing a certain way does not and has never had a correlation with suicide. This is just a stupid high school/media misconception. There are many factors involved when it comes to why someone would kill themselves. Not every person you see who wears black, eyeliner, and skinny jeans is automatically going to end their life.

Now, when it comes to an individual cutting themselves, they obviously need help and are seeking this type of attention, or they actually want to end their own lives. I would not label them as emo, but a "wrist-cutter," 'cause you don't have to dress emo to do so.
Edited by Manji, Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:28 pm.
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Being EMO isn't a mental disease, are you kidding me?
but some people become emo because of mental diseases
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Being EMO isn't a mental disease, are you kidding me?
but some people become emo because of mental diseases
People become emotional because of everything. Sure some diseases will make them want to just end the pain but that doesn't make them emo. It makes them suicidal. Suicidal and emo are completely different things.

And emo people don't usually end in suicide. Most people that are over-emotional recover and end up completely different than they were before.

I don't remember who said it but someone said that the highest suicide rate came from rich white males and I'm sure they weren't anything near the basic perception and stereotype people have of emos.

I don't know how many times people have to say that emo doesn't mean cutting or suicide in this topic. <_<
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