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| Emo; The sub-culture and its impacts on society. | |
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| Manji | Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:44 pm Post #176 |
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That's not emo, it has a name and it's called DEPRESSION, bi-polar disorder, etc. I'm not saying stereotypes don't hold any truth to them, because they certainly do, otherwise they wouldn't exist. But the ugly things people are saying in this topic leave me feeling uncomfortable... so many of the posters in this topic are so willing to JUDGE others based on what the media/pop-culture is telling you to think. And I think that is what's REALLY depressing. And yet so few of you probably don't even know/have never spoke to an "emo"/"depressed" individual. Most people do NOT want to harm themselves, and are very unhappy with the situation. I know someone who suffers from depression, and when she's at her lowest, the only she thing she wants is to get out of it and feel better, not cut herself or end her life.
Ha, thanks Burning Skulls, that was me. And that is a true statistic, straight from my Sociology text book. Thank you for your response, it's very refreshing. Edited by Manji, Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:47 pm.
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| Sanada | Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:49 pm Post #177 |
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its been a while since I've posted here, a lot of conversation, things I'd have liked to respond to being responded to in ways I would have so no need to one thing I see hasn;'t been said though, which is how I view things I personally do not see emos as a group because of how they dress or act or anything like that. I think of emos as those who are stereotypical emos, and nothing more. I don't judge people as emos (only group I do judge people as are neds), nor do I discriminate against anyone Some people are emos, claim to be emos, dress 'like emos', but I won't count them as emos, because they do not go with the stereotype, I have never cared much for groups, I fit into none myself, probably why I don't think of anyone in them for the most part. I probably am not the only person though to simply call those who fit the stereotype 'emos' and only mean the stereotypical ones. I see some people going against those who commented against emos in this thread, but what if they, like me, mean only those of stereotype and not the whole group, which most people now don't even class as 'true emos', even though they could be more emo as the groups true sense is anyway. |
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| iKing | Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:50 pm Post #178 |
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Maybe you should change the topic title a bit. It says *Emos and Suicide* This suggests that emos do suicide and stuff like that. If you get what I mean that is... |
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| Jsun | Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:59 pm Post #179 |
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I agree, it makes it suggestive that all emos are suicidal. |
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| Godlikephoenix | Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:44 am Post #180 |
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Ok, on the topic that Manji and Q@Q were on about, to start off with, I do not think being 'emo' is a mental disease, much like a few of the other things that get brought up in this section ![]() Also, another statistic to add to that...2 of the professions with the highest suicide rate are I think it was Dentists and Paramedic, again, not who you would classify as in the emo group. A few of my friends at school, they can be quite emotional at times, some show it more openly than others...and one of them couldve been classified in that 'emo' group...she has not attempted suicide from what I know, but she does have several scars up her arms. I would think that the cutting is meant to be a kind of release from all the pain and troubles they might be going through at the time, and not just doing it to kill themselves. If im not making sense...dont worry, right now im not really making sense to myself right now
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| xDaQiaox | Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:31 am Post #181 |
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I think the steryotypical "emo" term has ventured far from its actual meaning, as in "emotional". Someone who is truely depressed im sure would hate to be classafied in such a way. All stuck-up teenagers can come up with to bring these people down further is "emo", and look down upon these people because they do not fully understand, or are even scared of how these peoples minds work. For example, someone going through deep emotional trauma can get strange side-effects such as they think they can hear voices in their head or see ghostly beings. Pearsoanlly I feel this is all in their imagination, but that is no reason to think all they are doing is crying out for attention because it does really happen to people. I think a bit of sympathy and perhaps a bit of understanding towards these people would help them alot more than labeling them. As far as people who really are crying out for attention goes, its pretty easy to tell. |
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| AK049 | Sat May 2, 2009 5:07 am Post #182 |
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The "emo" subculture of today is but a stereotype. I don't understand why people could follow such a distorted stereotype. I agree that the "emo" subculture is no longer a legitimate representative of emotions. It has strayed far from the original thought. Other subcultures have feelings too...
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Sat May 2, 2009 6:28 pm Post #183 |
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Nah. It's nothing but histrionic bull****.
Edited by DrewTheDude-Dono, Sat May 2, 2009 6:29 pm.
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| Manji | Sat May 2, 2009 7:21 pm Post #184 |
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That's not necessarily true. Some people by nature are simply introverts, sometimes to the extent of being a bit self-centered and thus, too focused on their own problems. Honestly, I just think it's a common ailment of many teenagers. Most people well out grow it beyond the ages of 18-19. Once you enter the adult world, you start seeing the bigger picture of life. Though I'm sure this is not the case for everyone. |
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Sat May 2, 2009 8:10 pm Post #185 |
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In other words, being overly histrionic and pretending anyone actually cares about your problems. |
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| Shadow | Sun May 3, 2009 12:08 am Post #186 |
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OK the way i see it is. Emo is a type of fashion and music, not a category for people to fit into. Slitting your wrists and mutilating yourself is not 'emo' its just something that people do to relieve themselves, somehting i myself do not agree with. And using the word 'emo' to group these people is not necesary, nor is it right. Alot of people cut themselves and attempt suicide, but i statisticly speaking, its not many of those people that dress in dark clothes and wear tight jeans or dark eye liner, like i, myself do. Infact i think you will find that alot of people who cut are normal everyday people, even adults, its not fair to say its mainly teenagers who are crying for attention that involve themselves in such actions. I have seen many cases where slitters have been doing it since a young age and are what, 35? so your not telling me that this is a 'phase' that will be grown out of. EMO is a fashion statement, a trend teens stick to because its fun, it was never intended to be associated with acts done by those who cannot cope with life. YES emo does stand for 'emotional' but since when has emotional meant just depression. emotional can be any emotion, even happyness. I think a more relevant title for this topic would be 'self harming' if it was discussing 'emo' it would be talks about music and fashion, but i believe there is already a topic about emo music, and for the record. Emo and punk music are quite different. |
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| Jsun | Sun May 3, 2009 1:09 am Post #187 |
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Emo is just a darker sub-genre of the punk fashion and music. I think that some emo girls are hot, but not the ones who take it too far. The highlights in the hair and dark colors is alright with me, but everything beyond that including tattoos and piercings just leaves me with disgust. All these new trends are just imitations of the Punk fashion that started in the mid-70s which was influenced strongly by Rock N' Roll. All these fashions trends are just ways people can relate to others and get into social cliches. I always see people get angry over others labeling and classifying them for what they wear. They try to act like they are nonconformists, but who really fricking cares, let people think what they want. The only people I see that can truly call themselves nonconformists are nudists/naturists. I mean we live in a world where there is a stereotype for everyone. The whole emo affiliation with suicide is no different then the stereotype that all cops eat donuts. Latest/Lamest Fashion Trends http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_in_fashion |
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Sun May 3, 2009 1:44 am Post #188 |
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Nicely said. Personally, I'm one of those people who like to make fun of the trend. But what boggles my mind is when you do, some people take offense to it like if you said black people deserve slavery or woman shouldn't vote... Yet they ignore every other streotype ever made about other groups. Honestly, I wish people would shut up about the whole stereotype thing. Unless you're a complete idiot{like my sister}, no one will take that streotype as an actual fact that applies to everyone in that group. As long as you show you don't go with those streotypes, people won't label you with them outside of first impressions. Of course you may not like the first impressions, but if someone is going to be so stupid to base your entire character out of a streotype, then they're the type of person you shouldn't bother with to begin with. Everyone has some sort of streotype attached to them. I'm no different. I got hit with the nerd streotype quite a number of times but I'm not so vain to ***** about it. Bitching about it is pointless because people are only going to make fun and ridicule that as well. So in such a situation, it's best to take it in as just some dumb streotype. I retain my right to make fun of emo's... Or wangsters... Or teen angst. If you don't like it, then suck it up. Nobody cares about the streotypes you face, because we all have them, asshole. Edited by DrewTheDude-Dono, Sun May 3, 2009 2:34 am.
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| Kratos Aurion | Sun May 3, 2009 2:31 am Post #189 |
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^ Still my hero, Drew. Keeping on topic, the emo kids are forced to wear uniforms at my school. They claim it was "forced upon them" when we had a vote, and the uniform won (it was the parents who got to vote). So they try to wear their own clothing and basically get booted out of the school for it (not permanently, just for the day). Why the hell don't they just wear the uniform? Even at work, there are kids like that who won't wear the uniform |
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Sun May 3, 2009 2:40 am Post #190 |
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Haha, yeah I remember you telling me about that story. It's funny how people stick to their trends like it's some sort of religion. I mean, hell, uniforms aren't even that much of a hassle. I always took mine off and washed it every time I got home in one of my previous of jobs... Which basically amounts to just 2, but still. If you like wearing what you wear so much, then just change when you get out of school. No one really cares what you wear...
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| AK049 | Sun May 3, 2009 3:31 am Post #191 |
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Why have such stereotypes in the first place? Personally, I think stereotypes are dumb generaliations as a result of poor taxonomy. Besides, I believe that no person becomes 100% of the stereotype that he/she follows.
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Sun May 3, 2009 4:00 am Post #192 |
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What taxonomy are you talking about? |
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| AK049 | Sun May 3, 2009 4:34 am Post #193 |
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What I mean to say is that stereotypes are poor ways of classifying human beings. Taxonomy is classification, after all.
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| lmay19 | Sun May 3, 2009 6:05 am Post #194 |
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No one needs to speak to them. It's not wrong to judge a person by how they dress because that is the way he/she is presenting him or herself to the world. I do believe it's wrong to judge others on skin color or things like that which can't be changed except by extreme surgery. Clothing is something you can change. They dress the part, they are the part. People judge others on practically everything about them. That isn't sad. What's sad is if people actually care about other's opinions about them. |
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| Shadow | Sun May 3, 2009 4:14 pm Post #195 |
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It's not so much the fact that people stereotype emos that p*sses me off, it's more the fact that i have to put up with being called an emo every bloody day, even though i'd rather not be associated with the stereotypes tied in with 'emo'. Its the people who claim to be 'emo' that are the ones who fit the stereotype. Those of use who don't claim to be but are judged as it. tend to not fit the stereotype. I mean, i dress like a scene/emo kidd, but i dont fit any of the stereotypes that go with 'scene/emo'. But if i walked outside the first things i'd hear from my self proclaimed 'chav/ned/etc' neaigboors is 'EMO!' followed by several immature comments about how i MUST slit my wrists etc. etc. I've given up trying to brand myself or label myself, theres no point, its just something attention seekers do. And if the attention you get is so f'ing negative then whats the point? seriously... People can say whatever they like about emo's, just don't go round calling me some kind of self harming ass wipe because i happen to like dressing the way i do.
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| Manji | Mon May 4, 2009 4:28 am Post #196 |
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I think some people are sort of exaggerating the whole "emo" thing in this topic. I mean, as for the style of dressing, most people out grow when they enter the adult world. Because you honestly can't make it far in life dressing in all black and studded bracelets and heavy eyeliner if you go to a job interview dressed like that. Unless you're Avril Levine or plan on working at Hot Topic the rest of your days. ![]() Hey, there's nothing wrong with that I guess. You can still have a sense of your own style and identity without being EMO (or adhering to any social clique for that matter). I know I sometimes dress a bit differently from others but I'm certainly not emo even though I wear skinny jeans just about every day and I abhor brands such as American Eagle & Abercrombie. I also don't see why there is so much hostility geared to this sub-culture? What is it about "emo" that bothers people? If they bother you, would you care to share? (I don't mean people who "slit" themselves, I think we've worked past that, I just what to know why people have this nasty attitude about people just because they dress a certain way)... @Shadow: I don't know you ALL that well, but I certainly wouldn't say you're emo either. Yes I've seen you with your black hair and bangs and the eye-liner, but to me you're just Shadow/Becky. ![]() The way you put it... it sounds like the whole sub-culture is a lot oppressed in the UK. Thankfully I've never witnessed something such as what you've described, but I'm sorry to hear you have to endure it so frequently. I think what you should do is walk by with your head held high and just ignore 'em.
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| lmay19 | Mon May 4, 2009 5:46 am Post #197 |
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Way to prove the stereotypes of whiney emo kids by whining about it. You aren't changing your look so quiet is all you should be. Question the norms all you want but nobody cares. |
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| AK049 | Mon May 4, 2009 7:07 am Post #198 |
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In the end, each person has the free will to express himself. Fashion per se is morally neutral. Let us try to help these folks instead. What bothers me are the following: 1. The negative prejudice against "emos" 2. Ignorance about subcultures (especially "emos") 3. Condoning certain immoral aspects of the "emo" subculture for the sake of self-expression 4. Confusing moral matters with cultural contexts 5. The misunderstanding wrought about by the name "emo" 6. Forgetting the fact that nobody is the exact incarnation of a stereotype since stereotypes are artificial labels of classification 7. Forgetting the fact that there are accidental variations within a given type I hope I have clarified the issues.
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Mon May 4, 2009 5:56 pm Post #199 |
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It's not so much that people hate the people who follow the trend as much as people hate the trend itself. Considering the fact that the trend is represented by nothing but immature bull**** and being overly dramatic to the point of stupidity, people are going to dislike it. If anything, I think we have the right to make fun of or dislike a trend. Especially one like this one. |
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| Kai | Mon May 4, 2009 6:14 pm Post #200 |
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Emo's are not a group of people, who wear dark clothing and have black nails and long hair: Emo is short for emotional. That is where the word hailed from. Emotional distress can lead to self-harm, depression, lack of confidence. Those are the symptoms of being Emotional. Some people are dubbed an Emo because of how they portray themselves, listening to heavy metal, having long hair and being silent among a crowd. That is more of a Gothic scene, where they wear all black. Emo's are not a brand - or neither do they come in boxes. People who say "I hate Emo's" are normally called an Emo themselves. People who have lost friends or family members normally enter depression, which sometimes leads to self harm. People normally have a inhumane reason to commit self harm, even though it is highly frowned upon. |
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