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| Emo; The sub-culture and its impacts on society. | |
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| AK049 | Tue May 5, 2009 5:38 am Post #201 |
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Wisdom and Virtue (seeker)
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But I ask, why must that stereotype be labeled "emo" if the word simply means emotional? Why don't we call it something else while being aware that our labels of classification are flawed? Let me think of a name... Black slashers, perhaps?
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Tue May 5, 2009 5:48 am Post #202 |
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VAN DAMME KNOWS NO WEAKNESS!
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Who cares? That's like questioning why we call hamburger a hamburger or WWE; World Wrestling Entertainment. What matters more is what it than what it's called. Edited by DrewTheDude-Dono, Wed May 6, 2009 3:42 am.
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| AK049 | Tue May 5, 2009 7:19 am Post #203 |
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As a philosopher, I care for both the name and the nature of a certain notion or entity. It is due to the stereotype's immoral characteristics that the word gets a bad connotation. Confucius once said something about the rectification of names for a harmonious society. And Wittgenstein once remarked that philosophy's function is to clarify. Not that I am for political correctness, but I want to make things clear for the benefit of all.
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Tue May 5, 2009 6:05 pm Post #204 |
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VAN DAMME KNOWS NO WEAKNESS!
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Again, who cares? You're the only person in this topic that really cares for the name of this trend despite the fact that it really doesn't matter. Getting all concerned or worked over the name of something is pointless, especially whereas it has little meaning or relevence to much of anything. I honestly think the whole philosopher ideal of asking "why" about everything is totally annoying. If you really want anyone to care about your philosophy, then you should try to make more logical sense and pick on what's relevent than go on about this sort of crap. |
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| AK049 | Wed May 6, 2009 2:58 am Post #205 |
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Of course I understand that the relevant issue here is the fact that certain characteristics of the "emo" stereotype are immoral. Certainly I am concerned more about that than the name, and it is precisely because that I am worried about its characteristics that I also worry about the name. The "who cares" attitude does not really answer or clarify the issue.
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Wed May 6, 2009 3:06 am Post #206 |
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VAN DAMME KNOWS NO WEAKNESS!
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Neither does caring about its name. You're failing to prove any sort of point when it comes to the relevence of the name. |
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| AK049 | Wed May 6, 2009 3:40 am Post #207 |
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My point, you ask? My point is that we should set things right. The bottom line is, language is conventional and words can change in meaning. But while the original meaning still exists, at least we can clear out the matter. If I have made my intentions clear already, I can begin discussing about the immoralities of the stereotype's certain characteristics. I am against self-mutilation, and their view of things is distorted at best.
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Wed May 6, 2009 8:16 pm Post #208 |
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VAN DAMME KNOWS NO WEAKNESS!
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Again, failure. You're trying set things "right," but that sort of logic makes absolutely no sense. How can you set things "right" in the way people talk? Seriously, who cares? If people cared enough about what they were called they wouldn't be called as such or them themselves wouldn't refer to themselves that way. Your argument simply doesn't make sense because you're pretending that there's some sort of significance in what you're saying. But there isn't. Reality is, people make names for things which come from what they perceive of it. Emo is no different. Making some sort of complaint of the nature of etymology makes no sense at all because it isn't relevent or important. How many people do you seriously see complaining about or caring about what things are called? If you're going to be a "philosopher," then try asking questions of what's relevent with a logical basis. Otherwise, you're just going to end up coming out as rather annoying. Edited by DrewTheDude-Dono, Wed May 6, 2009 8:16 pm.
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| AK049 | Thu May 7, 2009 9:17 am Post #209 |
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Genuine philosophy begins with wonder. I must ask, what is the concept of being emotional? Is the concept of the "emo" stereotype identical, or at least, in the same category as the concept of being emotional? And if etymology was never relevant in the first place, then why is there a need to follow the conventions of grammar if people could just invent slang syntax and semantics? FYI, logic begins with concepts before going to propositions and syllogisms. What becomes of your so-called "logic" if there is no proper understanding of the fundamentals of logic? Furthermore, language is supposed to reflect logic, as seen in grammar. If concepts become equivocal in the first place, fallacies, puns, and other logical irregularities are bound to occur. Just because nobody cares does not mean that my point is senseless. Now the onus of proof is on you. But of course we could always set the philosophy of language aside for later until we solve the moral crisis that the stereotype could possibly brng.
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| Shadow | Sat May 9, 2009 10:42 am Post #210 |
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What the **** are you talking about? Your accusing me of whinning, then clearly categorising me as 'emo' due to that comment. IF you had bothered to read my post before making such a pathetic remark in my direction you may have noticed that the point of it was that 'i don't wish to be labelled an emo' but clearly you have not read it because you just went against it. So i think you ought to be quiet and watch the way you speak to some one whom you don't know before you bloody accuse me of whinning.
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| AK049 | Sat May 9, 2009 1:11 pm Post #211 |
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Etymology and linguistic issues aside, we have to understand the real situation of every person who professes himself or herself to be an "emo". We ought to help them as fellows.
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Sun May 10, 2009 9:08 pm Post #212 |
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VAN DAMME KNOWS NO WEAKNESS!
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It doesn't make sense to say we should ignore grammar because etymology is irrelevent. Grammar implies you know how to use the words of your language properly and etymology is just the history of which these words come from. If etymology really did matter, it's like the equivalent of saying that we should ignore the usage of vehicles because a person doesn't know the history of them or stop playing Street Fighter because you don't know how it was made. People don't take too much care about the history of something as much as they do with the effectiveness of its usage. If you gave a poor man some food, chances are he isn't going to question where it came from. It's the same with grammar and etmology. It's meaning of the words that bring upon fallacies and the like as relevent. If I were to suggest that your arguement is invalid because you have no logical proof of God's existence, then what sense does it make to say the history of the words you used in your post is at all relevent? Etymology has no real relevence in our daily lives. It's what the word means is what's really relevent. It does matter that nobody cares about etymology in this case because we're talking about an issue which needs to be relevent to everyone involved. If we're talking about a sociological ordeal, we have to talk about what people actual care about and what issues they're having. etymology has no place in such a case because nobody cares about where terms like "emo" or "gangster" come from being that it's commonly used to describe the trend and are words that people prefer to use. If it's a commonly used word and people aren't complaining about it then etymology is irrelevent. Edited by DrewTheDude-Dono, Sun May 10, 2009 10:35 pm.
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| lmay19 | Sun May 10, 2009 10:49 pm Post #213 |
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You knowingly "dress like a scene/emo kidd" yet continue to state your hardships about it. You're a whiner and you deserve the treatment you get. People who whine exist whether I know them or not. You're one of them, as shown.
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Sun May 10, 2009 11:34 pm Post #214 |
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VAN DAMME KNOWS NO WEAKNESS!
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As far as that goes, all I have to say is that it's kind of dumb to think that people aren't going to react to the way you dress. People are going to label you as an emo if you dress like one. |
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| KiniroCorda | Sun May 24, 2009 9:40 pm Post #215 |
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Shadow im just going to point out something to you.. You say that you are being called an emo every day and dont like it.. well what the hell do yuo expect when you dress like them? When you dress like clique in certain ways of course you will be catagorized into being emo. If it truely bothers you, than just do something about it because changing other peoples thoughts on the subject is about 10x harder than just buying a normal sized pair of jeans or a different hair cut. Unless you arw able to put up with being called emo, then don't be one. Like others have said.. whines gets you no where and recieves no sympathy.. I am sorry but my train of thought just kept going on and on. Flame me all you want i dont care.. my point was made clear. |
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| Zhen-kun | Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:39 am Post #216 |
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There are many "emos" in my school. I think they're just posers who try to "fit in". I knew a lot of people before middle school that were normal before, but then they started hanging out with them. Some of them do cut themselves, but I really don't think that they have any reason to. I mean I can see if someone died, or your parents are getting divorced, but they don't have to cut themselves! And I'm not saying that all "emos" cut themselves, but a majority do. And like Shadow said, some people may "dress like emos/scenes" but that doesn't mean they're emotional/cut themselves. One of my very best friends "dresses like one" but is one of the happiest, random, funniest people I know. She reminds me a lot of you, Shadow. And like you said, it's not "dressing like one". People have their own sense of style, and shouldn't be classified as something they're not. Hope that made sense.
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| HimikoIsKickin' | Wed Sep 9, 2009 2:24 am Post #217 |
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I fully understand what you all are saying about how it is something people do instead of facing their problems or because they want attention, but sometimes the wanting attention motive isn't just general attention; sometimes they want help. I have a friend who used to cut herself, and in gym every day I would see cuts all over her legs and arms, so I talked to her about it and convinced her to visit the school counselor with me. I didn't really know her then, but we became closer friends and now we're pretty tight. Her parents were made aware of what was happening and she has a therapist and a doctor, and is mostly better now. She doesn't do it anymore, and is disgusted that she did. Sadly, though, it seems many people are doing it now because they think it's 'cool' |
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| Claus | Wed Sep 9, 2009 2:43 am Post #218 |
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I don't get Emos for the most part, but they don't affect me in any way, and so i really don't care if they are emotional or cut themselves, that doesn't have anything to do with my life at all. I don't even think i have any Emos at my school ![]() I have a friend who dresses kinda emo (tight clothes with odd hair) but he isn't, and people always catagorize him as "Emo, gay or ***" obvioulsy he doesn't like being called these things (who would?) but that doesn't mean he is going to change himself because of these ignorant assholes. Its just plain prejudice, but this is life, its full of it, and you just learn to get used to it.
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| Will | Wed Sep 9, 2009 2:45 am Post #219 |
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ahah best quote ever; I completely agree. I really dont care =p, I just do my thing. |
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| Jsun | Wed Sep 9, 2009 2:48 am Post #220 |
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KOEI Warriors Forever!
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Emos don't bother me really either, it's the frigging SCENE KIDZ that are pissing me off with their scarves and Dbaggery. |
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Wed Sep 9, 2009 8:31 pm Post #221 |
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VAN DAMME KNOWS NO WEAKNESS!
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Wangsters are worse. They play their music so loud that you question why they're not deaf yet. |
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| scholar | Wed Dec 9, 2009 12:00 am Post #222 |
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Perhaps unsurprisingly the act of cutting oneself releases endorphins into the brain which can actually give a kind of anti-depressant feel. Anyone who takes pills such as amphetamines or anti-depressants and criticize emos for cutting themselves are being hypocritical. I don't take either and I can see that some emos may being doing it for their own reasons so I won't say that it's a wimpy thing to do. I will say I personally feel as if they shouldn't do it. But I can't say anything about them for doing it, or criticize their reasons as I've never experienced them. |
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