Warriors Orochi... a full-fledged series?

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Warriors Orochi... a full-fledged series?
Topic Started: Mar 2 2008, 01:34 AM (1,419 Views)
Mac2492	Mar 2 2008, 01:34 AM Post #1
Elite Soldier Posts: 50 Group: Members Member #12,364 Joined: January 1, 2008	At first, it really seemed like Warriors/Musou Orochi was just a one-shot deal. People wanted a crossover of Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors (well, sort of), so they got one. The game sold VERY-WELL, and was subsequently (or will be) released on the PSP and the PC. After that, a sequel was announced, adding in 9 new characters, new maps, new modes, and more. =O Doesn't it seem like Koei is starting to take this series more seriously? EDIT: I want to clarify that I'm referring more to Warriors crossover games than Warriors Orochi itself. While I like the characters from Warriors Orochi, I think that it would be silly to keep rehashing them for future crossover games. (Unless the story writers get REALLY creative) (I hope they keep making these...)



Kankura Shishimaru	Mar 2 2008, 01:51 AM Post #2
First Lieutenant Posts: 111 Group: Members Member #12,595 Joined: January 10, 2008 Gender Male	Warriors Orochi had good reviews. Everyone seemed to enjoy the time rip idea of clinging all the characters in one dark mysterious world and see what type of connections that would input in the game. But.. Isn't that it? Why make Orochi come back every game with the same idea , over and over again? I mean. Warriors Orochi is simply a one-shot , a good, marvelous one-shot of awesomeness and win sauce. Dunno , I don't like the idea of Orochi and Da Ji, coming back again and again , like a poorly made Power Rangers movie. Now that my two cents are done and delivered , I leave my post to your reckoning. Or not. Whatever. P.S. : Yes, I do realize the fact that there's a sequel coming out. :'D



M.O.G.	Mar 2 2008, 02:11 AM Post #3
Michael on my right, and Raziel on my left Posts: 4,900 Group: Moderators Member #7,647 Joined: May 30, 2007 Gender Male	Do I want this to turn into a series. Well at this point, I don't know. Since this game is historically based, it could very easily turn into a series with true sequels. The only poblem, as stated by Shishimaru, is that Orochi and Da Ji might return in every subsequent game. Now if there was a new force to come about then it would be cool. I'd even like it if one story was where the gods/deities turn on them, assuming that this doesn't happen in this game. But in conclusion, it's all up to KOEI. If they're smart and do some serious thinking on a good story, this could easily be a bigger hit than DW6 and the SW game that is to come out for the next gen systems.
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LittleDragonZ	Mar 2 2008, 02:18 AM Post #4
Behold the spear of Baby Dragon! Posts: 6,846 Group: Admins Member #3,636 Joined: October 5, 2006 Gender Male	Part of me says ''Ohhh yeahh!!!!'' since this could be the time when they can keep adding in super powers and god-like characters, and go over the top. So as long as they keep making the DW and SW series then its fine with me. I prefer Warriors Orochi over the Empires games anyway.



K.E.	Mar 2 2008, 02:19 AM Post #5
Knowledge Seeker Posts: 181 Group: Members Member #13,201 Joined: February 10, 2008	Pretty much. Warriors Orochi is pretty good in terms of a one shot and a sequel, but, eventually, they will start to run out of idea's. (Though, I do like the idea of the gods turning on them, and creating some kind of war....even though it's been done before...) That's pretty much all I have to say, since those 3 beat me to it.



Kratos Aurion	Mar 2 2008, 02:32 AM Post #6
MOAR Posts: 2,390 Group: Members Member #8,741 Joined: July 24, 2007 Gender Male	Susanoo and Fu Xi: United Front (Aka Musou Orochi 3?) Different Villains next time, and it's a good series. We don't need 6 games about one guy being ressurected 5 times.
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M.O.G.	Mar 2 2008, 02:34 AM Post #7
Michael on my right, and Raziel on my left Posts: 4,900 Group: Moderators Member #7,647 Joined: May 30, 2007 Gender Male	I was thinking, it might work if the games were all different parts of one entire war. Let's say, this game focuses on the battle to resurrect Orochi, which the lose bcause he manages to come back. The next could be about the start of their fight to kill him once and for all. The game after that, focuses around the final battles and the defeat of Orochi.
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Fayt	Mar 2 2008, 03:09 AM Post #8
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	My concern with Warriors Orochi going so well is the future of DW & SW. If everyone gets Orochi instead for having all the 'cool' modes and characters, what's left for SW & DW to do? I'm very keen on the idea of the new Warriors Orochi game, as I was with the last one. But admittedly it's reducing my interest in DW & SW at the same time, I'm not really sure if this is a good thing or not.
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Mac2492	Mar 2 2008, 02:16 PM Post #9
Elite Soldier Posts: 50 Group: Members Member #12,364 Joined: January 1, 2008	Future crossovers don't necessarily need Orochi in them. He could be included as an unlockable character, but not be part of the actual plot. (As for the name of the games... You got me there. xD) EDIT: They kind of do to be called a "Warriors Orochi" game, huh? Darn! xD... I was trying to refer to crossover games in general, not the Warriors Orochi storyline and series itself. Koei doesn't need to constantly release crossover games. If they stick with their main series, then make a crossover game after both Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors finish a version (XL, Empires, etc... Of that version were all released... Example: Samurai Warriors 3 and Dynasty Warriors 7 are complete and have all their expansions. Koei is moving on to Samurai Warriors 4 and Dynasty Warriors 8), that will satisfy the both the purists and the cross-over fanatics. This will pace the releases pretty well, since it'll be about two years between each crossover. And, hey, it's better than releasing a crossover RIGHT BEFORE A NEW EXPANSION (xD), then having to add the characters from that expansion into a sequel because the crossover was so popular. (No one's missing the Dynasty Warriors 6 characters, though. :rolleyes: ) To anyone who doesn't like the idea of constant crossovers... Crossovers don't really ruin or hamper the main series. They shouldn't interfere with fans who enjoy the stories of Dynasty Warriors or Samurai Warriors, because they don't include those stories. Are these crossovers just money grabs? Sorta-kinda~ Aren't XL packs money grabs too, though? :lol: If Koei started making too many crossovers, then it would get annoying. We really only need a new crossover when there are a significant number of new characters added in Dynasty Warriors and/or Samurai Warriors. (Isn't that the main attraction of the crossover, after all?)



King Of Wei	Mar 2 2008, 02:27 PM Post #10
Why do they even bother!!!! Posts: 2,393 Group: Members Member #9,380 Joined: August 25, 2007	Fayt Mar 2 2008, 02:09 AM My concern with Warriors Orochi going so well is the future of DW & SW. If everyone gets Orochi instead for having all the 'cool' modes and characters, what's left for SW & DW to do? I'm very keen on the idea of the new Warriors Orochi game, as I was with the last one. But admittedly it's reducing my interest in DW & SW at the same time, I'm not really sure if this is a good thing or not. Same here. Now that WO2 is going to come out there is no point for me buying SW2XL. Since all the characters in SW2XL and the new stages will be in the new WO2 game. This game probably sold more then DW6
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Mac2492	Mar 2 2008, 02:31 PM Post #11
Elite Soldier Posts: 50 Group: Members Member #12,364 Joined: January 1, 2008	One more thing... A game like Musou Orochi NEEDS updates in Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors to progress. If no new characters are added in those two games, then Koei really has no business releasing a new crossover game. The crossover might defer you from an expansion or two, but it shouldn't defer you from the entire series unless you're really not interested in the story. (In which case, you end up buying both Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors because you want to fight with the characters from both. [And that's why you'll go for a crossover over an expansion. xP]) If you skipped a main game like Dynasty Warriors 5 and Samurai Warriors 2 because of Warriors Orochi, doesn't that tell you something? (Not referring to anyone specifically here) If you cared about the stories of these games, you would have bought them. If people are getting tired of the stories of these games, then the problem is with the games and not the crossovers. I really don't see how crossovers can go wrong if they're done properly. Can someone please give an example of a situation where a well-done crossover might lead to bad things? In short, crossover games cannot get proper sequels or follow-ups if the games that they're creating a crossover between don't progress at all. Any follow-ups composed entirely of new material aren't exactly updating the crossover aspect of the games.



Skode	Mar 3 2008, 01:43 AM Post #12
Scottish Samurai Posts: 731 Group: Members Member #12,998 Joined: January 31, 2008	The question is for the next title they would have to base it on the new engine used in DW6, the cast of DW6 have also changed most dramatically but on the SW side of it they have not. This means there would need to be a revamped SW game (as SW2: XL is not) and until it does the series will die on its arse im afraid. From a personal note i am hoping the series continues, its a dessert to man course of the DW and SW games and gives Koei a chance to do somthing a little different. I for one cant see how they wouldnt want to continue as it gives them a chance to express the maddest ideas for character designs, weaponry and storylines keeping there interest in the series there a cross over of refreshed - as well as appeasing its new found fanbase from hardcore and newbies alike.



liao tse	Mar 3 2008, 01:45 AM Post #13
General Posts: 338 Group: Members Member #8,858 Joined: July 30, 2007	i hope that they make more of Warrios orochi or similar. :rolleyes:
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Fayt	Mar 3 2008, 01:52 AM Post #14
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	Skode Mar 3 2008, 10:43 AM The question is for the next title they would have to base it on the new engine used in DW6, the cast of DW6 have also changed most dramatically but on the SW side of it they have not. This means there would need to be a revamped SW game (as SW2: XL is not) and until it does the series will die on its arse im afraid. I agree, if there is ever to be a WO3 I think it needs to wait for next gen and an overhauled bunch of SW characters to go with the new DW characters. Lets say around 2 or so years for now I wouldn�t mind seeing it pop up again. As Mac2492 was referring to, I just hope it's not too constant after every few character changes, keep it fresh and change it a lot along the way and it should work for a crossover game. King Of Wei game probably sold more then DW6 Sales determine so much, I don't actually know if KOEI intended for Warriors Orochi to go past the first release, but it was by far their best selling game in 07 which I'm sure encouraged them to continue the branch. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it outsold DW6 either, DW6 will continue to be held back by the fans that don't have a PS3. While just about every gamer these days has a PS2.
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The Hero	Mar 3 2008, 02:39 AM Post #15
Heyya!:D Posts: 1,010 Group: Members Member #221 Joined: December 27, 2005 Gender Male	They could turn this game into an Onimusha-type of story.Like maybe different generations of Orochi come back, with new evil fox people like Daji. It would be cool!
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Korin	Mar 3 2008, 03:12 AM Post #16
I don't need a Member Title. Posts: 433 Group: Banned Member #13,363 Joined: February 17, 2008	The Hero Mar 2 2008, 08:39 PM They could turn this game into an Onimusha-type of story.Like maybe different generations of Orochi come back, with new evil fox people like Daji. It would be cool! Yeah it would be awesome! Anyways,having Warriors Orochi in a series might be cool....depends though.



Kankura Shishimaru	Mar 3 2008, 05:54 AM Post #17
First Lieutenant Posts: 111 Group: Members Member #12,595 Joined: January 10, 2008 Gender Male	A Onimusha-esque game.. I want Jean Reno on the next game then. >_> " Sacr� blue Orochi~~ Mwwwaaahhh. "



DarkWizard	Mar 3 2008, 07:42 AM Post #18
Officer Posts: 98 Group: Members Member #1,183 Joined: March 22, 2006	They should probably rename the series to something more generic, as to not pin a single character as the villain each time. The way I see it, Koei can very easily turn this into a series where the main focus is on dieties, demons, and famous historical figures battling it out with the DW and SW cast as fan service. Even with just playing with Da Ji and Orochi, and just watching some footage of the new characters fighting, developing the "Orochi series" should be easier than developing another DW or SW game since the characters are more or less mythical or legendary, there less need for realism in their weapons and movesets, and in turn, a larger turn out of unique characters. So with each new entry in this series, there will be a new batch of unique and colourful mythical or legendary figures backed by the roster of the most current DW and SW game to date. I can see Koei milking this series like they milked DW and SW, and us fans happily gobbling them up.



M.O.G.	Mar 3 2008, 08:08 AM Post #19
Michael on my right, and Raziel on my left Posts: 4,900 Group: Moderators Member #7,647 Joined: May 30, 2007 Gender Male	I think having the series focus around deities/gods more than around historical figures is cool. So long as they don't deviate from China and Japan. I don't want to see any ancient Greeks, Egyptians, or people from any foreign continet present. It would make very little sense.
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GoW	Mar 3 2008, 02:28 PM Post #20
KOEI Warriors Unifier Posts: 1,757 Group: Members Member #7,496 Joined: May 22, 2007	I want to say great idea, but not really. Lets just keep the two games separate. They've done a great job of keeping the two series different from each other and thats what I like the most. Same hack n slash basics, but two entirely different experiences. There would be no need to make SW and DW games anymore if they keep making these. The common Warriors fan would just wait for the next WO.



Mr.Honda	Mar 3 2008, 04:20 PM Post #21
Actively Retired Posts: 4,128 Group: Members Member #7,393 Joined: May 17, 2007 Gender Male	Its funny ... the last two posts pretty much summed it up for me. I'm one of those people who would consider buying (1) WO game instead of (2+) games (1-SW & 1-DW + expansions) if the crossover concept were to continue. And please, keep this based on ancient Japan & China. If I want English/French, I go buy Bladestorm. If I want Greeks/Egyptians, I'll wait for a game based on them. Same goes for Gundams (imagining Musha Gundam in WO is just scary ) I also think they should wait for PS3/Xbox 360 titles to be developed more before making another crossover. Continuing to milk the PS2 = $$$ in KOEI's pockets, but it could hurt what they're trying to do with next-gen titles.
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Amy	Mar 3 2008, 06:30 PM Post #22
ε�з Posts: 138 Group: Members Member #11,239 Joined: November 19, 2007 Gender Female	I love the Orochi game but I think turning it into a complete series may ruin it. If you think about films and how certain ones are ruined by a sequel, it could be the same case as this. Sometimes things are better as a one-off. As much as I like the game, I don't want them to make a whole series since it'll be another game I'll want to buy and I'll play it for a few weeks before getting bored of it.
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Crazypete	Mar 3 2008, 06:56 PM Post #23
KW's Zhou Yu Posts: 2,353 Group: Members Member #64 Joined: September 11, 2005	I hope they don't because then it would ruin both series tremendously due to WO getting low scored here. Actually it would be better if they made it JP only. Because here in America it's crap. I'm one of the many on this forum that lives in the US and likes WO, but the many American buyers hate it. Hence by me only two people preordered DW6(just to show how many ppl like Koei games by me)



Mac2492	Mar 3 2008, 09:21 PM Post #24
Elite Soldier Posts: 50 Group: Members Member #12,364 Joined: January 1, 2008	I'll reply to posts that disagree with me to save space. I read through all the posts, and I particularly like the idea of focusing crossovers on deities and other fantastic figures. Also, I'm not so sure where people are going with the "Warriors Orochi is bad because it stops me from buying Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors" argument. Are you playing the games for the stories/unique feel or the characters/combat? If you're playing for all of those, then wouldn't you gladly buy all three games? You don't get the stories/unique feels from Warriors Orochi (you get a story/unique feel, though). If you play for the stories/unique feel, wouldn't you gladly buy all three games? (Same reason as the previous) If you play for the characters only, then Koei is simply hitting the nail on the head here. They know what you like, and now they're marketing this "dream game" to you. Koei isn't doing the best in America. If they can get a huge crowd that normally ignores their games to buy these crossovers every two years, I'd say the crossover series is a success. What non-Koei fan is going to buy Dynasty Warriors 5, Dynasty Warriors 5 XL, Samurai Warriors 2, and Samurai Warriors 2 XL, (perhaps some Empires games?) then keep coming for more? Dynasty Warriors 6, Samurai Warriors 3, and the next crossover game (just suppose that one is created... it has all the characters from Dynasty Warriors 6 + XL and Samurai Warriors 3 + XL) are inevitably going to feel different. Whoever skips Dynasty Warriors 6 and Samurai Warriors 3 completely just to get a crossover game isn't exactly a big Koei fan. These games are definitely not the same. You get the same characters with the crossover game, but the rest of the game is completely different. Anyone who skips an expansion for a crossover game is simply smart. Anyone who skips whole series for crossover games probably isn't a true fan of the games being put together. It's like saying, "I know that a deluxe pack containing this game and every expansion for it will come out in about two years. Thus, I'll just wait for that because it'll be a better deal". Even that's being nice, since the future product is identical to the current ones. In the case of the Warriors game, all three products (Dynasty Warriors, Samurai Warriors, crossover game) are quite different. Not only are you trying to save money, but you are also skipping entirely unique (characters and battle system aside) games because a crossover between them is coming out later. G. O. W. Mar 3 2008, 01:28 PM I want to say great idea, but not really. Lets just keep the two games separate. They've done a great job of keeping the two series different from each other and thats what I like the most. Same hack n slash basics, but two entirely different experiences. There would be no need to make SW and DW games anymore if they keep making these. The common Warriors fan would just wait for the next WO. If they only made crossovers after both series finish a "version", I think everyone would be satisfied. Again, it will be two years between each crossover. That's plenty of time between each release! I'm also against constant crossover releases. What's the point in releasing a crossover update if the series you're combining haven't really been updated? Also, there's no way a series like this would stop them from making Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors. People like these games because they get to see their favorite characters from both games in here. (Non-Koei fans just like to have a billion characters to use :lol:) If neither game is updated, this series necessarily dies. If it doesn't die, Koei has no choice but to take characters from their other series OR make new characters. Both of those situations are pretty ridiculous. Oh, and if the "common Warriors fan" is willing to wait two years between game purchases, that person probably doesn't have much interest in Koei's games anyway. Crossover games might be doing Koei some good here, since they're drawing in another crowd of fans. Quote: I hope they don't because then it would ruin both series tremendously due to WO getting low scored here. Actually it would be better if they made it JP only. Because here in America it's crap. I'm one of the many on this forum that lives in the US and likes WO, but the many American buyers hate it. Hence by me only two people preordered DW6(just to show how many ppl like Koei games by me) Can you please rephrase this? I'm not so sure where you're getting at. Thanks.



GoW	Mar 3 2008, 09:25 PM Post #25
KOEI Warriors Unifier Posts: 1,757 Group: Members Member #7,496 Joined: May 22, 2007	Mac2492 Mar 3 2008, 08:21 PM Also, there's no way a series like this would stop them from making Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors. People like these games because they get to see their favorite characters from both games in here. Oh it wont stop them from making the games, the point I was trying to make was that it would stop the average warriors game player from actually buying the regular games on a regular basis.



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