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Guys Hitting Girls or Vice Versa; Is it ever right?
Topic Started: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:33 pm (6,335 Views)
French Overlord
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when did i say i disrepect guy <_<
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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Saying that we need to respect females would lead to the thought that only one gender should be respected specifically and the other shouldn't.
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French Overlord
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:mellow: ...i didnt mean that <_<
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AmbitiousConqueror
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Let's just say this. Females better respect guys if they want the same. If they don't then they deserve what they get. That what you trying to get at?
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I was taught to respect a woman's body and area. Rather, I have kept my distance for good reason and if they ever came "close" with respects to "relationship" I would draw the line.

I have many "girl friends" but never in my life a girlfriend. I would rather not get involved at the moment.
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AmbitiousConqueror
Apr 15 2008, 09:06 PM
Let's just say this. Females better respect guys if they want the same. If they don't then they deserve what they get. That what you trying to get at?

Sort of. It was more along the lines of me questioning why a female should immediately get respect due to their gender and a male shouldn't.
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Apr 16 2008, 02:32 AM
AmbitiousConqueror
Apr 15 2008, 09:06 PM
Let's just say this. Females better respect guys if they want the same. If they don't then they deserve what they get. That what you trying to get at?

Sort of. It was more along the lines of me questioning why a female should immediately get respect due to their gender and a male shouldn't.

I agree. Both genders have done quite enough over the generations to have been treated well enough equally. Although in terms of a women and man's body, physically, the male body has been proven to withstand more overtime, as a youth will grow. Also, a female is more sensitive and fragile, where as a male is more emotional and stronger. Putting these aspects together, it comes in somewhat clear that the typical fair thing to do is to set laws. Though I am not saying all females are weak. The majority of the population tend to be house wives, so you can see where that will lead.

And for the laws go, it influences and makes things more questionable. So it should only be natural to ask why a female would have the higher respect. But in all cases this isn't the scenario.
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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Actually, the thing about housewives isn't true. It would probably be the case back then, but nowadays not too many families can really afford to have someone be a housewive. Which is why so many more women are out in the workforce now.
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AmbitiousConqueror
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If male bodies withstand more then why do they have a shorter lifespan <_< Had to point that out!
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AmbitiousConqueror
Apr 16 2008, 06:34 PM
If male bodies withstand more then why do they have a shorter lifespan <_< Had to point that out!

Lifespan has nothing to do with a bodies durability... I would give a deeper explanation of this, but right now I'm too tired to do so.
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DrewTheDude
Apr 16 2008, 06:00 PM
Actually, the thing about housewives isn't true. It would probably be the case back then, but nowadays not too many families can really afford to have someone be a housewive. Which is why so many more women are out in the workforce now.

I suppose it should really depend on the areas of females. There is places with many. But with poor areas and children that grow up without fathers I can see where you're getting at.
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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Actually, in strong economic areas it's very common. It's more about the expenses of living then anything.
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Apr 16 2008, 10:34 PM
If male bodies withstand more then why do they have a shorter lifespan <_< Had to point that out!

Short answer: your body can either concentrate on a long life or on producing a lot of offspring. Since our most ancient of forefathers were big polygamy suckers, their bodies were all set for reproduction. Hence, we still have those genes.

Like I said, it's a short explanation. It's subject to a way longer explanation with a lot more details/refinements.
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Paradox
Apr 17 2008, 01:54 PM
AmbitiousConqueror
Apr 16 2008, 10:34 PM
If male bodies withstand more then why do they have a shorter lifespan <_< Had to point that out!

Short answer: your body can either concentrate on a long life or on producing a lot of offspring. Since our most ancient of forefathers were big polygamy suckers, their bodies were all set for reproduction. Hence, we still have those genes.

Like I said, it's a short explanation. It's subject to a way longer explanation with a lot more details/refinements.

Hence the reason why I didn't feel like explaining it....
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Weird topic, but it affects me, because I have a strong respect for women.

Someone already made the point that it's not right to say that guys can't hit women. I believe that, in the defense of life, and protecting yourself, it's okay, but to hit a woman in the ridiculous spousal abuse cases is just not right, and sickening to say the least. Of course, I have heard of cases of the male being abused in such relationships, but they are quite rare.

I respect women a lot, and I want them to be equal to men. That's all. I mean, it's still not the case, even now, in the workplace, where women get less money and whatnot.
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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What proof do you have that women get less money then men in their workplace? It's not the 1920's you know. It's not like women get paid less due to their gender. Plenty of women make more money then men, there's no gender aspect about that at all.

Also, it's been reported that women abuse against men have become much more common now. Even more common, apparently, then male abuse.

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http://www.sheridanhill.com/batteredmen.html

http://www.wadv.org/maleabuse.htm
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LBM170
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Here's a source on that: http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatis...a/womenspay.htm

No it's not the 1920's, this is 2001 we're talking about. =P Women may still make less (not sure if their wages have increased from 2001), but what I didn't know was the reasons why. A few of these reasons are feasible, but still, I think it's about time we even it out.

Ah, and, that's something I didn't know. Interesting.
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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When I said 1920's, I was refering to the fact that around that time women had started going into the workforce but were paid less then the men were due to their gender. They were also much more strict with women in their workplace too, being that there were female inspectors that had looked over the women in their workplace to make sure they didn't do anything human, such as blink or talk to the person beside them. There were also limitations to what jobs women could do also. As such, back then when jobs were listed they were seperated between male and female jobs {sometimes they were listed for both, but those were rare} and males always had the higher paying jobs in that case.

As far as women's wages goes, I was kind of assuming that you meant that it was due to the fact that females were paid less due to gender, not due to the female psychology. But I guess the women's wages thing was something new to me. Though, apparently, women's typical wages have been continuously increasing and the younger females don't get paid much less then males generally do.

Sources: http://www.infoplease.com/spot/equalpayact1.html

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193820.html
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LBM170
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I realize that. I didn't mean for you to take it so literally. I was just making a joke. The difference between then and now is that women are treated better, but the pay still hasn't evened out, which is the last step to equality in the workplace. Yup, and it is good that they have been steadily increasing.

We have kind of gotten off topic here, so yeah, I will end what I was saying there. I've already said what I think about the initial discussion.
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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I don't really see the wages thing as inequality, it's all just the female psychology taking effect here. A female can quite easily prove herself to be a capable enough worker to get paid more then a male, but those percentages represent how much females are typically paid due to their work ethics... All that shows is that males are considered to be more capable workers in those cases due to general gender psychology, not because of gender bias.
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It differs for people. I was taught never to hit a woman, even it I'm in the right. My cousin was taught that if a woman is man enough to hit you, than she is man enough to get hit back. I can only speak for mnyself on this topic. I never hit a woman because I do not know my limits in my own strenght. Even in defending myself, I cannot hit a woman. It is a lose/lose situtatiion, so I'll rather take the beating. I know it sounds corny or that it sounds like I some type of softy, but that is mt believe. Man hitting on woman is also one of the few things that makes me lose it. And it is because of the belief that I hold, and because i saw one of my mom's ex-boyfreinds do it to her. So I drove his head through a brickwall. I believe the Eve was created from Adam's rib, and that we as man search for our missing rib to make us hold again ( A love reference). So why so we damage what we've been searching for this time?
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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Sounds like you're someone that could easily be manipulated. Those feelings also make the rate of female abuse against males make sense too.

Edit: Oh, and perhaps we should hurt those ribs because those ribs plan on ****ing KILLING YOU!
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I do see your point, but my belief is strong in this. Like I have said, I don't really know the limits of my own strenght, so I will take the beatin if only for her to let her frustration out which I have done many times. At this point, I too use to it, and so far I have not been seriously hurt because of how I am builted. Things differ for each person, so i can only speak for myself.

And she'll have to catch me to kill me. Haha. I do have two legs to run.
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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That doesn't make sense though. How the hell does not "knowing" your strength is a good enough reason to hold back on a women but not a man? Men fell the same amount of pain as women do too you know.
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C. J. McIntyre
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In the first instant in which I didn't hold back my strength on a man was my mom's ex-boyfreind if you have forgotten. And I never said that not knowing my own strength was a reason that I wouldn't hold back on a man for hitting a woman. Yes I said it makes me lose it, but not always to the point of fistacuffs. Yes I will try to prevent it if I can help it, but please don't assume I meant that I will match it with violence. I am smart enough to know otherwise. If you don't understand what I mean, then that is ok. No point getting mad over it, right?
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