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Homosexuality
Topic Started: Sat May 24, 2008 6:10 am (11,339 Views)
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Some members have already been punished for some of their ridiculous statements and comments in this thread like the one above.

Please refrain from insulting other members or flaming them on purpose. This is a serious discussion. Using excessive language and profanity to get a point across or to simply provoke someone only makes you look foolish and naive.


If I see any more posts where this is happening I will warn and suspend your account. This goes for everyone!
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Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:39 pm
The above three posts are just HILARIOUS. :XD

Im gona ignore this even tho you disrespected my toughs because your personaly hurt also its not cool of you to call T.e.n to back you up(he didint even posted his toughs on the topic).
Most of you GM or admin back each other up in this way at least the 3th gm acted profesionaly and didnt take side's az much.

Az i said before there is no substitude for the tradicional parenting but gay parents can also give love to there children but i strongly recomend that they dont guide or force them about choosing there sexuality(like my father left me whit the choose to belive or not to belive in god) it wont be az good az the tradicional parents tho.

About the chooise of sexuality i cant say much about that cuz every 1 mind works difrently but i can say that ppl are made to love other ppl same gender or not,especialy in the friendship way,if it goes sexual
then it becomes homosexual.
If we look at it this way(and this is the main reason why some ppl acept Homosexuality) then its ok and normal for ppl to be Homosexual
(I mean its love after all "love conquers all" i mean)
But if we twist and abuse the act of LOVE then we could have sex whit animals and say "i love animals!!There is noting wrong whit this"
And 99% of the ppl on this planet think that this is sick and its punishable by law(jail time,3-10 years if you hurt a animal not to mention to sex it).

My point being we can not use the act of LOVE to justify our actions(War's,crime,Homosexuality uses love to justify itself)
Every one could then say I KILLED FOR LOVE,I HAVED SEX CUZ OF LOVE I DIED FOR LOVE and that is not ok cuz its Breaking the basic morals of life.

Every thing in this world haves a limit even LOVE and breaking those limits is immoral and we humans need to respect our morals to live a peacefull and normal life.
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Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:38 pm


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so you can see how i can say "generally", this is only MY family story, there are so many more out there. and i never once advocated that homosexuality was entirely genetic, only that it most certainly runs in families. society and psychology of course play their roles as well.


You can't really prove that it's inheritable just because your family featured a lot of homo-sexuality. There needs to be a lot more statistics and research made before you can claim that. As it stands, that's purely a theory.

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Az i said before there is no substitude for the tradicional parenting but gay parents can also give love to there children but i strongly recomend that they dont guide or force them about choosing there sexuality(like my father left me whit the choose to belive or not to belive in god) it wont be az good az the tradicional parents tho.


Considering your terrible grammar, I almost don't feel obliged to respond to this. But anyway, I really don't see what you mean by "substitute." I really don't see how homo-sexual parenting is in any way a substitute for "normal" parenting. If anything, there's more problems that tend to occur in "normal" parenting than homo-sexual parenting. Any basis of their being a problem with homo-sexual parenting is moot and unrelated to their sexuality to begin with.
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Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:06 pm
(And who are you to tell me my words are not spelled corectly are you my teacher. I hate people who tell hey that word is not spelled that way)

The same goes for me.English is my foreing language and i dont think you have a PGD or whatever in english grammar to trash my speaking and the way i expresing my self cuz you have diferent toughs on this topic,that DOES NOT also give you the right to act superior or arogant
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I almost don't feel obliged to respond to this
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You haven't read my previus post where i said that
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Study's haves show'n that(i dont know the % neither will i get into that) in america that lesbian parents give better love to there children then most of the str8 parents but the main reson for that is cuz americans are so F... up(teenage pregnency,divorses after a month of merige)


Also the parenting topic is a case for it self and we shouldn't get into it meaning there are sorts of parents good and bad of both types of couples.

The bolded text is my theory on this topic and the main and last thing i want to say,
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Firstly, I didn't ask ANYONE to 'back me up'. I've never asked a moderator to come and help prove my point, because I honestly don't need it. T.e.n posted his own thoughts, it's nothing to do with me when he decides to post. Sorry to GLP, it's an emotive subject for me, as you know and can realise.

I've not onced used love to 'justify' homosexuality. Homosexuality isn't the problem, it's people who can't accept it which are the problem. As I said, homosexuality isn't hurting anyone, it's no a life threatening disease. It's just DIFFERENT, which is what people like you are so afraid of. Gay people are just regular people, who just happen to be attracted to the same sex. If you aren't, then that's fine, but just try and learn to respect someone elses lifestyle, one which causes no one any harm.

What exactly are 'traditional' parents? Just the fact of being man and woman? A man could easily do what a woman does, and vice versa for a woman in a parenting situation. Not all men are tough, protective fathers, and not all women are kind, loving and supportive mothers. There's probably far more disfuctional straight parents then there are homosexual ones. Gay parents would appreciate a baby more in many circumstances, it goes without saying. Not to blow my own trumpet, but I KNOW I will make a good parent, and someone like you isn't going to tell me otherwise. I'm a human being, not a sexuality. My sexuality makes up one part of me, it doesn't define my whole life and personality.

I don't need to 'justify' my point anymore. The simple reason being... No matter what some book tells you, or what your father tells you, or your friend, I know i'm right in this scenario, and no one is going to convince me otherwise. Homosexuality is natrual, it's not a disease. I know I was born this way, and someone like you can't tell me I chose to be gay, because I didn't. If I had a choice, I probably would have chosen to be straight, the simple reason being - Because being straight is easier.

The real reason I get annoyed in these subjects is because i'm sad. I'm sad to know that some people in the world can really be so close minded. It honestly does sadden me, but there's nothing that I can do about it regardless. You carry on judging people and living your life that way, one day the people you judge may be the only people that can help you.
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:14 am
Im gona ignore this even tho you disrespected my toughs because your personaly hurt also its not cool of you to call T.e.n to back you up(he didint even posted his toughs on the topic).
Most of you GM or admin back each other up in this way at least the 3th gm acted profesionaly and didnt take side's az much.
Miho did not call me to 'back him up' - rather I came in and cleared up a misconception since there was one here; under my duty as a moderator. I would not have been very successful back-up as is, considering I - as you said - did not post my thoughts on the topic.

I'm sorry you felt as such - that was not the intent; to make you feel as though you were ganged up on. All I am here to do is make sure that there is an open, honest and respectful debate happening.

I'm not here to participate in the debate right now; and as you can see - neither Miho nor myself have engaged in any sort of tricks to limit you voicing your honest, respectful opinion. So I encourage you to continue doing so.
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As much the heated debate roars on, I'm going to pass on becoming a part of it and express my opinions. :x

Homosexuality has been around since humans have gained the ability to stand, walk, communicate, participate, and live life to its fullest. It has been around since Ancient Greek, and does have some references in its myths which may have effected their lifestyles, if I recall. Old-fashioned Japanese culture, is no different either. There has been male-to-male relationships during the various eras and the sengoku period; Although is only part of how it has been impacted on most popular Japanese media today.

The idea of "liking" a person of the same gender is simply affection with an affinity. There's no such thing as a "gay" disease, it is simply human nature to "like." Of course, there are good and bad homosexual people, who aren't any different like other regular convicts out there in the world..

It hurts to know that there are some people in this world who still discriminate homosexual people for being different. That's no different than racism, since this regards a new aspect of living in our world today: Family management, occupying for jobs, and socializing with other people which may lead to prejudice at a first-glance. Is it because they are old fashioned? Stereotypical-at-a-glance? Whatever the reason is, it's still considered discrimination to judge a person. It may take a long time for most people to accept homosexual people, so not every person has a liking to accept others easily with his/her own lifestyle.

And that's my two-cent stand-alone opinion. :x
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:14 am
Im gona ignore this even tho you disrespected my toughs because your personaly hurt also its not cool of you to call T.e.n to back you up(he didint even posted his toughs on the topic).
Most of you GM or admin back each other up in this way at least the 3th gm acted profesionaly and didnt take side's az much.
The only reason I would back up Miho would not be because I thought it would be right to back up a fellow mod...but because in the argument that was going on, my thoughts were on that side...and to back you up, I would have the same thoughts and beliefs as you...but thats not the case.

@Gengoemon: thankyou...its posts like that, that speak the real truth, in my opinion :)
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I am not trying to discriminate or to offend someone.

T.e.n
Englis aint my native language it is Serbian.And I realy wanted to say my toughts abut this becouse there are not so much homo topics on serbian languge.

Burning Skulls
1)So the human race would only continue to live becouse of tehnology but what would happend if we didnt have that tehnology.

2)But it is important when to react and how to react. Woman would be able to react as fast as men could. For exsample she could confront atacker alone as men could womans are physically not strong as men

3)same as 2) woman would be able to replace men and other way around. Brain of woman and men dont work same.Men are not emo. as womans.

4)Love is love but it has the limits I think FOX exsplained.
(I am sory if I offended you it was not my intention)

HappyMomOfNone
Some choices are tough if you are gay fake you are not becouse being gay is mental disease and people try to hide mental diseases so they should hide this one as well. If nature wanted for us to be gay males could bor childern and womans would be able to fertlize them self.

Korin
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No people like me are not so close minded we just see problems in our society wich need to be solved.
(sory If this offends you)
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Alright guys, seriously NATURE AND NURTURE. It's not one or the other.

You CAN just be gay/lesbian, it happens. Maybe the opposite sex just doesn't do it for you, I know people like this.

And you CAN choose to be gay/lesbian if your body and mind don't naturally disagree with that. Have you SEEN women in Los Angeles lately? Being a lesbian is extremely popular, now is it 'honest' lesbianism, or just popular bisexuality to win over men? That's case by case, but that is a conscious choice--and for those of you who are against homosexuality I think consciously choosing to make out with someone of the same gender counts as being utterly gay. I mean, hell, if you're going to promote ONE stereotype don't you dare start picking and choosing which ones you're going to toss around ignorantly.

As for nurture, kids growing up today in California will be MUCH MORE TOLERANT of and willing to explore homosexuality because the society there has promoted tolerance and understanding of ALL PEOPLE. It's a very diverse culture with Whites, Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics all jumbled up and at every level of the social ladder and SURPRISE we have gays, lesbians, transvestites, transexuals, and cross dressers too!

However, a person raised in a NO GAY EVAR family can still BE GAY. Try watching the movie American Beauty and there's a perfect example of nurture suppressed homosexuality. TA DA! Nature wins out over nurture. While I think nurture can encourage a deviant sexuality (as in deviation from the norm not 'bad') you cannot FORCE people to be one way or the other through teaching.

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Parenting: –noun
1. the rearing of children
2. the methods, techniques, etc., used or required in the rearing of children: a course in parenting.
3. the state of being a parent; parenthood.
–adjective
4. of or concerned with the rearing of children: good parenting skills.

No where in this definition is gender, sex, or sexuality mentioned in the good ol' WEBSTER DEFINITION of parenting, so don't you dare start with that marriage is between a man and a woman crap. Parenting has nothing to do with the relationship between lovers unless it is harmful to each other (there are a ton of abusing heterosexual relationships, MORE SO from the stress of UNPLANNED children which you DON"T GET in homosexual relationships I might add) and that created a negative environment for children.

A single straight person, male or female, has just as good a shot at raising an adopted child as a gay or lesbian person who adopts a child.


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As touched on above, children are more likely to be wanted and cared for by a homosexual couple because it is VERY HARD for them to have a child! You never (alright maybe rarely but I've NEVER heard of this happening) end up with situations of parents who have to work very hard to support their 'oops' children who resulted from unprotected sex and end up resenting them.


Homosexuality was considered bad oh...IN THE ICE AGE and such because it did not result in children. Yes, we know. During those times children were BADLY NEEDED because people didn't live as long, had a lot more back breaking work that needed to be done and the continuance of a family blood line was extremely important.

TIMES HAVE CHANGED, there's less resources in the world, too many people as it is, not enough food to go around and even with increased awareness of the global climate crisis, clear cutting of rainforests and destruction of entire species and eco zones the human machine is slowing down and you're worried about what I might do IN MY BEDROOM?!

For GOD'S SAKE PEOPLE try caring about something that is a) important, and b) you actually have a shot in hell of changing.

Just let the poor people have their frickin' marriages and go recycle your newspaper that has the headline on it.
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I think it's by some people's assersions that some suddenly think like "OMG! GAY?! OMG BUTTSECKS!"
I honestly think it's very rude for people to think like that. It's not like that. It's the same way with porn stars, gay and straight alike. There are some absent-minded people in the world who think that all porn stars do is have sex everywhere. Honestly, it's foolish for people to think like that. While I for one, am like, totally cool with people of any race, any orientation (except drag) I can see why some would be so controversally divided.
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:16 pm
1)So the human race would only continue to live becouse of tehnology but what would happend if we didnt have that tehnology.

2)But it is important when to react and how to react. Woman would be able to react as fast as men could. For exsample she could confront atacker alone as men could womans are physically not strong as men

3)same as 2) woman would be able to replace men and other way around. Brain of woman and men dont work same.Men are not emo. as womans.

4)Love is love but it has the limits I think FOX exsplained.
1) Doesn't matter either way since we do have that technology. And you said before that the human race would die off if the whole world was gay. That would never happen because there will always be people of different sexual orientations. Second of all, gays and lesbians are doing us a favor since many adopt except for those who get surrogate mothers and the like. Since they aren't having kids, they're helping with adoptions and slowing overpopulation just a bit. But thats a little off topic.

2) First of all, your grammar is making you contradict yourself so I'm not obliged to respond. And there are a lot of woman who are stronger than men but what does that have to do with gay vs. straight? In that situation you'd be supporting the gays as there are two men.

3) Your contradicting yourself and agreeing with me because of your grammar. :rolleyes: And it doesn't matter whether or not brains work the same, its the fact that they do their best to fill that role which in my opinion would work out fine. Also, men and women can both be emo and they can both not be. Why don't you take that to another thread since your basically supporting gays once again saying men could do the better thing. -_-

4) Love doesn't have its limits unless it goes to violence. Being gay or lesbian isn't a limit.

Well I think I'm done here and please, if you continue, check your grammar first so you don't contradict yourself. And don't act like you only think men are good parents because you did a lot of that in this post. This debate is really pointless anyway...
Sorry if I was offensive. :mellow:
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4) Love doesn't have its limits unless it goes to violence. Being gay or lesbian isn't a limit.

Everything in this world haves its limits the limit is till you brake the basic moral rule of lifeitself
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But if we twist and abuse the act of LOVE then we could have sex whit animals and say "i love animals!!There is noting wrong whit this"
And 99% of the ppl on this planet think that this is sick and its punishable by law(jail time,3-10 years if you hurt a animal not to mention to sex it).

Burning Skulls listen here you mindless no humor jerk!
I LOVE ANIMALS DOES LOVE GIME ME THE RIGHT TO HAVE SEX WHIT THEM???AHHHH???

Does love justify me killing some 1?

kuni_izumi
Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:56 pm
you CAN choose to be gay/lesbian if your body and mind don't naturally disagree with that. Have you SEEN women in Los Angeles lately? Being a lesbian is extremely popular, now is it 'honest' lesbianism, or just popular bisexuality to win over men? That's case by case, but that is a conscious choice--and for those of you who are against homosexuality I think consciously choosing to make out with someone of the same gender counts as being utterly gay. I mean, hell, if you're going to promote ONE stereotype don't you dare start picking and choosing which ones you're going to toss around ignorantly.

First of we should not talk about things that hapen in america cuz il say this again AMERICANS ARE F.... UP,every thing is moral and ok for them 3,4,5,6 somes,gay sex,transvestites, transexuals,gangbangs,and you know why?
Because they are the 2th military force on the planet and 1th in politics and cuz of that they have the power to bend,twist,buy and steal EVERYTHING...(morals,rules,ppl of all races).

Are you trying to tell my cuz its popular in america that it should be ok and aproved in the world?Are you saying if america aproves gay mirages the rest of the world should to?
The bolded thing.

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As for nurturey , kids growing up toda)y in California will be MUCH MORE TOLERANT of and willing to explore homosexuality because the society there has promoted tolerance and understanding of ALL PEOPLE. It's a very diverse culture with Whites, Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics all jumbled up and at every level of the social ladder and SURPRISE we have gays, lesbians, transvestites, transexuals, and cross dressers too!


Im not sure but i think you are blinded by something because
america is the number 1 country in the world that haves the highest rasism and non tolarance for ppl.
Exampel in america gay boy scout leaders are not allowed why?
Because america feels like gay ppl can not educate chilldren az good az str8 ppl and by that act alone they do not exept gays and so that makes this
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As for nurture, kids growing up today in California will be MUCH MORE TOLERANT of and willing to explore homosexuality because the society there has promoted tolerance and understanding of ALL PEOPLE
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However, a person raised in a NO GAY EVAR family can still BE GAY

I agree

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Try watching the movie American Beauty and there's a perfect example of nurture suppressed homosexuality

I wiill not cuz the truth and point is manipulated and bended in movies and they should not be taken seriously.

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there's less resources in the world

True and untrue,america haves enough resources to live peacfully another 500 - 1000 years if that was there intentiones then they would stop farimin oil and stop waging wars around the world for oil.Other countrys could last at leasts 300 years(ok i prety much guest at the years but you get my point)

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too many people as it is

No theres enough room for every 1 if the world decides to work together.

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increased awareness of the global climate crisis

This is just bull****
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clear cutting of rainforests and destruction of entire species and eco zones

I do not know much about this.

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you actually have a shot in hell of changing.

Dont look down apon me like i am a bad person.
I dont have the power or the controle of changing the worlds behavior toward Homosexuality,im just posting my toughs about this mater so this goes for all of you there will be all sorts of toughs on this topic that wil not be the same.

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Just let the poor people have their frickin' marriages

Once again we who have diferent toughs on this mater dont have the power of doing so,if i still say i dont aprove dont slam or trash talk me and my toughs,just lighten up this topic wont change anything...

The last 10 post say the same thing about this mater meaby we should swich to the WHY Homosexuality is not acepted in the world?

Intro to rasism and non tolerants:This starts from a early age and is most likele to be guided and forced by some 1 or something(parents,friends,community)
To me its like a passive tough in your mind that you cant recal but it makes your character say "i just dont like them";"i hate them";"i dont aprove them" so my question is what is that passive tought for ppl not aproving Homosexuality?
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:52 pm
Once again we who have diferent toughs on this mater dont have the power of doing so,if i still say i dont aprove dont slam or trash talk me and my toughs,just lighten up this topic wont change anything...
I am not slamming 'you' personally, though I am extremely offended by the greater 'you' as in, people who think homosexuality should be 'cured' or 'wiped out'.

Secondly, I LIVE in America, I AM American I am NOT racist, sexist, genderist, or afraid of homosexuality. MANY of your statements in the last post were EXTREMELY offensive to ALL Americans including me. So please don't get on some high horse about how I'm slamming you.

It was a general post aimed at everyone who reads this thread. Please don't take everything as a personal attack because it certainly is NOT intended that way. However, to insult my country, my state, and me and calling everyone I know and love who lives here F*** Up is EXTREMELY upsetting to me and has NO BEARING on the homosexual debate.

I am saying that in America we have more tolerance and more LEGAL protection. You might notice that we've also given women and blacks the right to vote. Rights that are considered BASIC and necessary to equal opportunity. Women and racial minorities also have protection from BEATINGS, PREJUDICE and HATE CRIMES. Something like what California has done (preemptively banning gay marriage) is a PREJUDICIAL PENALTY. It's PUNISHING someone for being who they are. That's WRONG. (California is far from perfect).

Secondly, I am opposed to your ideas that we're all crazy hedonists here. You'll note that Utah is having huge legal problems with polygamy, child abuse and forced marriages by outlying deviant cultures (Yes I mean Mormons who have been ex-communicated from the official church of Mormon, not Mormons in general. Please make the distinction between criminals and upstanding good people). It's ILLEGAL, they're working to fix it.

I'm certainly NOT SAYING that anything America does the rest of the world should. GOD NO, just look at our national budget. I AM SAYING that gays and lesbians should have the right to be married and that's something PARTS of America (San Francisco, Massachusetts, Maryland) have recognized. Maybe California is a little TOO accepting of the drugs, sex, and rock and roll lifestyle but that's part of Hollywood which EXISTS for excess. You can NOT apply an extreme like that to the rest of California and CERTAINLY NOT to the rest of the USA. Good GOD do you REALLY think everyone in KENTUCKY (where they want registered sex offenders to be forced to have PINK license plates--another insane idea, added road rage anyone?) which is VERY CONSERVATIVE thinks and acts the same way as some CRACK WHORE IN HOLLYWOOD?

You're really shitting me on these stereotypes right?

Why don't you try MOVING to Los Angeles for twenty years, grow up in it's society, attend it's public schools and universities and then you tell me who has a better picture of what's true in California and America at large?

Our Privacy laws means that WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR BEDROOM IS YOUR BUSINESS. I personally feel that it should stay that way, but people shouldn't be forced to HIDE THEIR LOVE for one another in the bedroom. It's not like gays and lesbians want to have crazy hot sex all over public. They just want the same rights and legal protection as a heterosexual married couple. They want their kids not to be ostracized for having two moms or dads.

Secondly--Saying lighten up...about a topic that has ended in VIOLENT BEATINGS AND DEATH for being simply trying to be who they are and love who they love (again, that the attraction is mutual is a given in this argument) is NOT something to lighten up about.

I didn't say ANYTHING about YOU, I merely talked about topics that had already been brought up about homosexuals and used REAL LIFE EXAMPLES based on MAJORITIES and personal life experiences to support my points.

You have made baseless, degrading and ignorant claims to try and refute what I said instead of proving any concrete examples of why I am wrong, and failed to provide any thought provoking commentary to support your opinions.

So don't you DARE say I am trash talking YOU. You obviously don't know ANYTHING about what life is like in California, my upbringing, my values or how to engage in a civilized multi-cultural debate.

I'm so furious I could s**t little gay rainbow colored cherubs.




A side note of having sex with animals: It's not consensual, you can not PROVE it is consensual, therefore it IS wrong. Consensual sex between two mature people of the same sex is a different matter. So conscious thought, the ability to communicate in the same language and mutual consent is what separated gays and lesbians from pigs. And really, could you have picked a more offensive animal to compare 'porking' to? I dunno that sounds a little species-ist.

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Oh! And you can't DISCOUNT anything that happens in America, because even if we are all crazy hedonists that do nothing but f**k everything in sight as you've so APTLY put it--we have in your own words:

the 2th military force on the planet and 1th in politics and cuz of that they have the power to bend,twist,buy and steal EVERYTHING...(morals,rules,ppl of all races).

So don't count out what we CRAZY HEDONISTS have to say, since we're apparently just coming for your land and women next.
Edited by kuni_izumi, Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:44 pm.
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:56 pm
I think consciously choosing to make out with someone of the same gender counts as being utterly gay
Spoken like a forever virgin.

Sexual feelings and desires toward a gender are needed to call yourself "homosexual" or "bisexual" or "straight". Or else you have no sexuality. Virgins can have sexual preferences. Public masturbation is the only way they can prove it though. And sex tapes are the main way the rest of us prove it. :lol: The fact is that people can label themselves all they want but until they actually feel it, they're lying. You can claim what you are, make out with whoever you want, look at someone hot and use your cum from THAT for sex with your partner thereby making your partner think you are turned on by him/her (cheating sex -- something common amongst closet homosexuals), but that is all false sexuality. I'm not by any means encouraging people to go record themselves, just informing others that anyone can lie to your face until you see them in action.
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Ok you lost me here im just gona say a few more words then im gona leave for sure...
I dont know where to start its like you pore all of the negativ energy into 7 diferent topics and only 2 have have something to do whit this.
I have made a point and proven it in most of your coments im to lazy to quote it now so lets just finish this...
what about the question what is that passive tought for ppl not aproving Homosexuality?

First of the main reason why ppl dont aprove something is cuz its new and diferent to them or it breaks some morals.
One of the main reason why ppl dont like gay's is
the sexsual diseases that were transfer'd from gay and bisexsual sex to other ppl i mean AIDS was spread through this acts to the whole world and now every 1 need's to be careful when trying to have sex.

If nature or god wanted or alowed ppl of the same gender to have sex then he wouldnt punish us whit this AIDS and other countles sexsual deseases i see this az a way of it telling us that its wrong and we are punish by it this way.

My real and direct toughts about Homosexuality are:Its a mental desease that does not need to be treated nore it is a good or a bad thing its simply a choise and a way of life.

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since we're apparently just coming for your land and women next.

Hahahah you have already done that and you dont even know(KOSOVO its in balkan in europe(It was in Serbia former country of Jugoslavia)) and az most of the americans dont even know where the country there in war whit is(i mean they have poor geografical knowing) theres a video some where where these guys did interviews whit ppl and ask them this country france(they are pointing at Australija) should we atk it?
And they reply yes if my president says they are indangering our religion whit there budisam we should defenently atk them...
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HappyMomOfNone- You have a very valid point. But since it is very difficult to go to everyone who says they're gay and prove whether or not they practice it--for arguments sake I was taking what they say or claim at face value. This opens up question about what 'makes you gay' acts, or a deep rooted desire for the same sexual body type.

There was absolutely no reason to call me a virgin in what came across as a derogatory, dismissive manner.


FOX- Alright, I'm letting it go, just be careful with your stereotyping ehh? Especially when you write off an entire country full of diverse regions and people.

As for AIDS being 'Gods punishment for gays' what about the men in Africa who decided that the way to cure their AIDS is to rape a virgin, and if she doesn't cure their AIDS she wasn't really a virgin? Should this girl who gets AIDS as a result of RAPE, be classified in the same way? Is God punishing her for some 'moral crime' she didn't commit by inflicting her with AIDS?

Article about the child-rape epidemic in South Africa
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I have a lot to say about gay people but I dont have any nerve or time for this type of discusion cuz it leads nowhere. I think being gay is mental desease and that canot be changed (same as you cant convince me god excist) your opinon cant be changed to you think gay is natural and there is no way for me convince is not.

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i would realy like to hear your opinion about america at my new topic
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:50 pm
Especially when you write off an entire country full of diverse regions and people.

I dont think in america that every 1 is stupid,there are some realy inteligent ppl there also of all kinds of race,gender,sexuality,
but i do hate the indivuduals that abuse the power and the ppl that are to stupid to even know where does the country they are at war whit is or that they acept every thing whitout thinking.

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As for AIDS being 'Gods punishment for gays' what about the men in Africa who decided that the way to cure their AIDS is to rape a virgin

I am new to this i can only say that africans in africa are a poor and mental undevelopt race of ppl whit no education so dont bring up things like that cuz i see that you dont have a way to counter my post about aids.

In real life if a individual does something it can have an efect on every 1(a good or bad efect),whit nature its the same if it decided to punish only individuals then it wouldnt be taken seriously this way every1 is punish cuz its trying to tell us that we should be united and at peace whit each other.
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As for AIDS being 'Gods punishment for gays' what about the men in Africa who decided that the way to cure their AIDS is to rape a virgin

I am new to this i can only say that africans in africa are a poor and mental undevelopt race of ppl whit no education so dont bring up things like that cuz i see that you dont have a way to counter my post about aids.

In real life if a individual does something it can have an efect on every 1(a good or bad efect),whit nature its the same if it decided to punish only individuals then it wouldnt be taken seriously this way every1 is punish cuz its trying to tell us that we should be united and at peace whit each other.
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South Africa is a COUNTRY, once a colony established by Great Britain. As far as development goes in Africa, it's actually one of the most developed countries.

I'd be pretty careful about claiming people in Africa ANYWHERE are mentally underdeveloped. Are you saying they're all RETARDED? Africa has birthed hundreds of sophisticated unique cultures in general.

As for countering AIDS, well HOW? No one knows how it developed and for years people didn't even know how is spread. A bunch of MONOGOMOUS old windows got AIDS back in the seventies because of tainted blood transfusions before we knew it how it could be passed.

Straight people get AIDS to. They also get herpes, the clap, and other STDs! It's from unprotected sex in GENERAL that STDs are passed and YES, unprotected sex is a BAD IDEA, gay or straight or lesbian or whatever.

It's extremely unfortunate that homosexuality has been forced to be hidden for years because of prejudice making it seem taboo and magnifying any negative effects of what happens. Because it's taboo people instantly blame whatever is 'different' for anything that's bad. You can't prove AIDS MAGICALLY MANIFESTED to punish gay people EITHER.
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I couldnt resist I must ask kuni_izumi a question how much black scientist do you know???(scientist who did something important)
And gay people had big role in spreading ADIS dont say they didnt that.(Drug,homo,hispano,and blood transfer that things helped adis to spread)
Edited by starwolf931, Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:47 pm.
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First of we should not talk about things that hapen in america cuz il say this again AMERICANS ARE F.... UP,every thing is moral and ok for them 3,4,5,6 somes,gay sex,transvestites, transexuals,gangbangs,and you know why?
Because they are the 2th military force on the planet and 1th in politics and cuz of that they have the power to bend,twist,buy and steal EVERYTHING...(morals,rules,ppl of all races).


I don't appreciate that American comment. It's stupid and ignorant.

Anyways, homo sexuality is um I have no opinion.

I guess it's okay as long as no one is homosexual around me, but if this were from a religious pov I would say I don't agree with homosexuality.
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South Africa is a COUNTRY, once a colony established by Great Britain. As far as development goes in Africa, it's actually one of the most developed countries.

Yes ok but cuz of it being a colony it wasnt able to develope well and to become modern like european and asian countrys i know of this cuz my country S E R B I A was under vasalisation for 300-500 years so mine country wasnt able do develope any poetry or any real kulture.

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Are you saying they're all RETARDED?

No but they keep old traditions like hurting themselfs and thinking that raping virgines can cure aids.
They do not live in a modern world like we do and by that i dont think they have sky scrapers like you do or even any modern buildings they are to tiped up to religion and tradition and this is mostly a joke but when it rains in africa ppl think that its domes day or that god is punishing them

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Straight people get AIDS to

I didnt fully expres myself in the earlyer post so im glad you brouth this up.
AIDS began from Homo sex then bi sex transferd it to str8 ppl then aids is also carry'd by genes(DNA) so that means we all could get any sexual desease if we dont protecte our self and thats what i ment by PUNESHING ALL because of individuals,not only did the present ppl got screw by it but the future generations must suffer also and that is beond fair.

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don't appreciate that American comment. It's stupid and ignorant.

Listen cutey you may love your country but so do i love mine and our countrys have bin in war and conflict and you did some thing to us that we cant ever forgive but enough about this we can discuse that on This topic

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I guess it's okay as long as no one is homosexual around me, but if this were from a religious pov I would say I don't agree with homosexuality.

No this is realy arogant and selfish and like a spoiled brat just like your sing of Xiao Qiao says i think it suits you Perfectly
Edited by FOX, Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:02 pm.
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OH lord. i've said this before, and i'll say it again. i don't want any of you to be gay, i just just want you to leave me and my gay self alone and mind your own business.

chances are that since you despise gay folks SO much, you'll never have more than casual dealings with anyone homosexual, so you won't be harmed by whatever it is you think gay folks are doing/spreading/preaching/whatever. but a good rule of thumb to live by is not to poke a hornet's nest with a short stick.

there are ALOT of gay folks out there who are good people just like you, just let folks alone unless they are hurting you. you two have been talking about racism and how it's wrong...what you are doing is just like racism.


and FOX would you please stop using the word homo, it's offensive.
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O_o this is unbelievably ignorant.

Why don't you try googling 'Origin of AIDS' or conducting a search on whatever search engine might be in your native language (I'm not saying this to be derogatory, just so that it's easiest for you to understand, it's quite admirable you're trying so hard to communicate here).

Come back and tell us all where it came from.

Fox:

Your God sounds like a pretty cruel and petty guy to make nations suffer for the sins of few. What are you getting at, the good ol' Sins of the Father routine?

I'd like to introduce you to my lord and savior Jesus Christ who hung out with whores and prostitutes, money lenders, murderers and thieves, who said to LOVE EVERYONE and died for everyone's sins over 2,000 years ago.

Seems to me since God made this deal about Jesus wiping the slate clean it would be pretty underhanded of him to say: Oh wait, no the gays, I didn't mean them. Since they're around AIDS FOR ALL!
Edited by kuni_izumi, Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:02 pm.
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